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Nicholas Carey
08-09-2011, 03:02 PM
And it's not coming from everybody's favorite, Sheriff Joe Arpaio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio)...


Apparently, the Maricopa County Library system has armed guards in most of its libraries, due to threats from hostile patrons. Unlike the libraries in big cities, like Phoenix.

http://www.salon.com/news/guns/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/08/arizona_gun_libraries (http://www.salon.com/news/guns/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/08/arizona_gun_libraries)
http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2011/08/07/20110807gilbert-library-armed-guards.html


Do libraries in Maricopa County, Ariz., need to be guarded by private security officers with guns? Yes, probably, because everyone should be armed at all times, especially when they are defending our library books or collecting late fees. Only then will we be free, and safe.

Apparently Maricopa County has guards -- private security firm employees, not county employees, with guns -- proper guns -- at most of its libraries.

"In large buildings with multiple rooms and lots of people, you need to have some feeling among the staff, as well as the public, that it's a secure place, particularly where it's used a lot by children," said library-district director Harry Courtright, who retired Friday.
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In his 12 years with the district, Courtright said there have been no incidents of a guard drawing a gun.

"And they shouldn't have to, because they have the training. But that gun makes a difference to the people who are coming in the building who might want to do something that could be bad; they see an armed guard, and the reality is they back off and they don't do things - it's a preventative thing," he said.

Right! Which is why all large libraries in big cities have armed private guards in them. Right, Phoenix libraries?

Tylerdurden
08-09-2011, 03:04 PM
What are you afraid of? Are you planning something?

Flying Orca
08-09-2011, 03:22 PM
Oddly enough, we've survived without armed guards in libraries for years here.

John of Phoenix
08-09-2011, 03:26 PM
I know you won't beleive this, but we're not ALL crazy in Arizona. I swear, we're not.

Flying Orca
08-09-2011, 03:38 PM
Oh, I know. Heck, I even enjoyed visiting Maricopa County, though the number of Border and Highway Patrol units was... disconcerting.

peter radclyffe
08-09-2011, 03:44 PM
looks like we got ourselves a reader :d

Waddie
08-09-2011, 03:44 PM
We've had armed guards in our urban library system for years.

My youngest son works at one branch.

Some of the things prevented by the armed guards;

Female librarians being stalked by disturbed patrons.
People wanting to assault librarians over fines.
Stealing CD's and DVD's.
Male caught masterbating in computer lab.
Assault stopped in restroom.
Male arrested for taking a dump in the back of the stacks.

need more examples:

Of course, maybe your big urban area doesn't have these types of people..........:)

regards,
Waddie

John of Phoenix
08-09-2011, 03:45 PM
And where do you live?

Tylerdurden
08-09-2011, 03:48 PM
With all the left wing terroists out there its probally good practice to have armed gaurds.



http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?135049-More-terrorists-on-the-left

Nicholas Carey
08-09-2011, 04:09 PM
Oddly enough, we've survived without armed guards in libraries for years here.

Same here (Seattle). I don't believe the New York Public Library has Librarians-With-A-Gun either.


I know you won't beleive this, but we're not ALL crazy in Arizona. I swear, we're not.Most Arizonians I know are fine folk. I do prefer New Mexico cuisine, though :D


We've had armed guards in our urban library system for years.

My youngest son works at one branch.

Some of the things prevented by the armed guards;

Female librarians being stalked by disturbed patrons.
People wanting to assault librarians over fines.
Stealing CD's and DVD's.
Male caught masterbating in computer lab.
Assault stopped in restroom.
Male arrested for taking a dump in the back of the stacks.

need more examples:

Of course, maybe your big urban area doesn't have these types of people..........:)

regards,
Waddie

Not quite sure how an armed guard is going to prevent somebody from stalking the librarian (unless they go home with her).

As for the rest...most businesses and public facilities get by just fine with calling the police when needed.

Waddie
08-09-2011, 04:16 PM
Not quite sure how an armed guard is going to prevent somebody from stalking the librarian (unless they go home with her).

They get an escort to their cars.

We have actual armed police officers in our schools, too.

And at all extracurricular activities.

And all the colleges have armed officers.

regards,
Waddie

John of Phoenix
08-09-2011, 04:18 PM
And where do you live?

Kevin T
08-09-2011, 04:23 PM
Man Waddie, you got to find a safer place to live.

You don't have to identify the city, but what state is all of this mayhem taking place in? Really curious.

Flying Orca
08-09-2011, 04:26 PM
We've had armed guards in our urban library system for years.

My youngest son works at one branch.

Some of the things prevented by the armed guards;

Female librarians being stalked by disturbed patrons.
People wanting to assault librarians over fines.
Stealing CD's and DVD's.
Male caught masterbating in computer lab.
Assault stopped in restroom.
Male arrested for taking a dump in the back of the stacks.

need more examples:

Of course, maybe your big urban area doesn't have these types of people..........:)

regards,
Waddie

Sure it does. There's even a security guard at the main branch of the library, right downtown. Don't think they've ever needed or carried guns though.

Waddie
08-09-2011, 04:34 PM
Man Waddie, you got to find a safer place to live.

You don't have to identify the city, but what state is all of this mayhem taking place in? Really curious.

I don't mind telling you; I live in the western part of Kansas City, Kansas. Out by the new NASCAR track and the Legends.

80% of the school district students are on free and/or reduced lunch. Very large Hispanic population in the east/southern part of the city. Lots of poor white families. But the western end of town, where I live, is much more crime free.

regards,
Waddie

Arizona Bay
08-09-2011, 05:16 PM
I know you won't beleive this, but we're not ALL crazy in Arizona. I swear, we're not.

We don't even need Library cards up here :D

Hwyl
08-09-2011, 05:24 PM
I once rifled through a book. That was my aim of course, the library had it in stock.

John of Phoenix
08-09-2011, 05:25 PM
We don't even need Library cards up here :DGreg, you should post a picture of the old jail.

Kevin T
08-09-2011, 05:26 PM
I don't mind telling you; I live in the western part of Kansas City, Kansas. Out by the new NASCAR track and the Legends.

80% of the school district students are on free and/or reduced lunch. Very large Hispanic population in the east/southern part of the city. Lots of poor white families. But the western end of town, where I live, is much more crime free.

regards,
Waddie

Thanks. A part of the country I just could never imagine living in, and not for any reason other than, I just couldn't imagine life that far from an ocean. To be fair though, my entire life has had me no further then a mile or so from a large body of salt water, so I really don't know anything else.

pefjr
08-09-2011, 05:34 PM
The Libraries in Las Vegas are very different than the libraries in say, Sandpoint, Id. where I am familiar, so it may seem strange to have guards in Sandpoint libraries, but I can assure you it is not strange here. Bums hang out in public libraries here and I imagine it is the same in Phoenix. There is a lot of crime in public libraries because the bums are allowed to practicably live there during open hours. Sad but true. Summer or Winter the libraries stink with the smell. In fall and spring it thins some.

Waddie
08-09-2011, 05:51 PM
Thanks. A part of the country I just could never imagine living in, and not for any reason other than, I just couldn't imagine life that far from an ocean. To be fair though, my entire life has had me no further then a mile or so from a large body of salt water, so I really don't know anything else.

I've lived around oceans a lot, myself. Four years in Hawaii, Subic Bay, Japan, Daly City outside San Francisco, and quite a few other ocean settings. Besides sailing, I enjoy flying, and this part of the country is great for that. Lots of little grass fields for the Cessna to use. I'm really a bush pilot at heart. I don' need no stinkin' air traffic control. I also like bird hunting in the fall, fishing and horses. So, all in all, a good place for me. I do miss the smell of the ocean.

regards,
Waddie

Arizona Bay
08-09-2011, 05:54 PM
Greg, you should post a picture of the old jail.

Don't have any of my own, but I found one on google.
Jerome is on a 30deg slope. There used to be an open pit copper mine a quarter of a mile out of town, where they would set off charges of up to 250,000lbs at a time (a quarter of a megaton!). Back in the 1930's they managed to trigger a fault line that runs through town, and most of the buildings on the east side of Main street started sliding down the hill. The Jail was made of re enforced concrete, and it slid intact about 200 feet down and across a road, where they secured it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3649/5724598945_6101ed5e57.jpg

Flying Orca
08-09-2011, 05:56 PM
I once rifled through a book. That was my aim of course, the library had it in stock.

Looks like this thread isn't ready for comments of that calibre.

Kevin T
08-09-2011, 07:36 PM
I've lived around oceans a lot, myself. Four years in Hawaii, Subic Bay, Japan, Daly City outside San Francisco, and quite a few other ocean settings. Besides sailing, I enjoy flying, and this part of the country is great for that. Lots of little grass fields for the Cessna to use. I'm really a bush pilot at heart. I don' need no stinkin' air traffic control. I also like bird hunting in the fall, fishing and horses. So, all in all, a good place for me. I do miss the smell of the ocean.

regards,
Waddie

Sometimes though the smell can be, um, overwhelming, especially around some of the tidal marshes in Connecticut, and the Gulf down in Florida a couple years back had a "Red Tide" that could be felt in the back of one's throat as much as 3 or 4 miles inland from the water if the wind was coming out of the West. Not fun.

Passed through Kansas on a couple of cross country trips a few decades ago, is it still as flat |:) as it was back then? Not certain what road I was on, but boy it was "flat" in every direction, nary a rise.