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CK 17
08-02-2011, 10:36 AM
It's expired. Congress is leaviong on a one month vacation. The result will be 4000 FAA workers furloughed, 70,000 contractors furloughed. 1 Billion in airline taxes that will not be collected.

All in an effort by the right to reverse an NLRB rulling making it easier for airline workers to unionize and essential air service program issues.

Canoez
08-02-2011, 10:47 AM
Seems to me that the Republicans are cutting off their nose despite their face, here. In a time when revenue is important, I think they said that the two things objected to were the unionization that you mention and a 100 million dollar FAA program to keep small airports running. They seem determined to make things harder.

botebum
08-02-2011, 11:49 AM
Typical Republican business flyer- "How come I can't get a flight out of my small city anymore? This is hurting my business!"
FAA- "Because you didn't want to pay for the subsidy to keep the planes coming there to enable you to have access that is convenient to your business."
Typ. Rep. bus. flyr.- "I was paying for that out of my taxes?"
FAA- "You and every other tax paying American."
TRBF- "Well that's socialism and we can't have that."
FAA- "And now it's not. We do offer a non-subsidized shuttle service to a larger city where you can get a flight to wherever you'd like. It flies out every Tuesday and costs $1500."
TRBF-"That's a lot and what if my flight is on a Monday?"
FAA- "Well, it is expensive but it's not subsidized. We can help you get a non-subsidized hotel room for your 6 day layover, if you'd like."

So, Tell me again how social programs are all just welfare state garbage?

Doug

Tylerdurden
08-02-2011, 11:54 AM
Civil service employees should have no right to unionize. Collective barganing yes but no union. If they want a union then go to work for a private employer, not us.

S.V. Airlie
08-02-2011, 11:57 AM
The dems are going on vacation too.

botebum
08-02-2011, 12:01 PM
The dems are going on vacation too.True, Jamie, but it was the Reps that held up the issue when it should have been voted on before.

Doug

Tylerdurden
08-02-2011, 12:02 PM
What's the difference? If civil service employees have no POWER behind collective bargaining, then... they have no power.

Collective bargaining would let them negotiate but past that they are federal employees. There is a reason its called Civil Service. What they want is civil blackmail. Fire them all. It's been done before and a lot of people like the 23% unemployed would love the job. Sick of you progressives always looking for a hand out. I have no doubt about your intentions making your dime on the backs of the people.

S.V. Airlie
08-02-2011, 12:16 PM
True, Jamie, but it was the Reps that held up the issue when it should have been voted on before.

Doug So, the dems want to take their vacation too regardless. Pretty sad that they feel a vacation is more important.

wardd
08-02-2011, 12:17 PM
So, the dems want to take their vacation too regardless. Pretty sad that they feel a vacation is more important.

since the reps control the house what could the dems do by staying behind?

enlighten us

S.V. Airlie
08-02-2011, 12:19 PM
Get paid Wardd.*

botebum
08-02-2011, 12:20 PM
I agree that both parties should have stayed in attendance until some issues had been resolved but if they did that they'd end up having to work close to 50 weeks a year ... Hey, wait a minute.

Doug

Tall Boy
08-02-2011, 12:22 PM
True, Jamie, but it was the Reps that held up the issue when it should have been voted on before.

Doug

Like maybe last year, or............maybe even the year before?

wardd
08-02-2011, 12:25 PM
Get paid Wardd.*

want to reconsider that comment?

S.V. Airlie
08-02-2011, 12:30 PM
I can't remember exactly but when I worked under a gov. work schedule, I accumulated a half day every two weeks I earned. (80 hours). Congress appears to take breaks every other month. No where near what us dumb folks take. But they find excuses for doing so. I suspect many are heading to the Med.*

S.V. Airlie
08-02-2011, 12:31 PM
want to reconsider that comment? Nope...Unless you tell me they are not paid.

wardd
08-02-2011, 12:34 PM
Nope...Unless you tell me they are not paid.

didn't think so

S.V. Airlie
08-02-2011, 12:48 PM
So they are or not paid Wardd. I say they are. I say they take as many vacation as possible in a year and are still paid for being there when they are not working..Fine, plenty of ecuses.. Wind surfing is great on the Cape. Or was not John Kerry I saw enjoying himslelf..
As this went nowhere. Have a good day. Pay them what they are worth regarding hours they put in. I suppose it is money well spent.

wardd
08-02-2011, 12:53 PM
so jamie thinks the dems should sit in the house twiddling their thumbs doing nothing but using electricity keeping the chamber lit

ccmanuals
08-02-2011, 12:58 PM
BTW, the airlines are continuing to collect the fee (and they aren't supposed to since the law expired) and the FAA says they have no way of knowing how much is being collected. Bottom line, the billion dollars in fees currently being collected for the FAA are going to the airlines profits. There is actually more to this story. Some small airline hubs are going away due to unfunding and airport projects have been shut down. Guess what districts these small hubs are located in?

Paul Pless
08-02-2011, 01:29 PM
So, Tell me again how social programs are all just welfare state garbage?

DougThey are garbage in this case, because they subsidize only a few small airports and not all small airports. Its a perfect example of pork barrel politics.

botebum
08-02-2011, 01:40 PM
They are garbage in this case, because they subsidize only a few small airports and not all small airports. Its a perfect example of pork barrel politics.Have you got a cite so I can educate myself better?

Doug