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Dutch
07-22-2011, 12:21 PM
read it and weep

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Heritage-Chart.jpg

ccmanuals
07-22-2011, 12:23 PM
I thought the main provisions didn't take effect till 2013.

Come on Dutch, the Heritage foundation. Really?

Dutch
07-22-2011, 12:37 PM
data from us department of labor

are you saying the information isnt correct?

S.V. Airlie
07-22-2011, 12:39 PM
I thought the main provisions didn't take effect till 2013.

Come on Dutch, the Heritage foundation. Really? Umm 2014? Lots of work to do between nowand then. Obama has to win a second term first.

ccmanuals
07-22-2011, 12:41 PM
These folks were using us gov't data as well with a bit of a twist. Didn't turn out so well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=318DYr_K8J4

Dave Wright
07-22-2011, 12:51 PM
Dutch, I'm real disapointed in you. Didn't you notice that the Dow Jones Industrial average has increased by 1,836 since March 23, 2010 when Mr. Obama's health care bill was passed?

Tall Boy
07-22-2011, 12:53 PM
These folks were using us gov't data as well with a bit of a twist. Didn't turn out so well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=318DYr_K8J4

Are you trying to be a comedian??

S.V. Airlie
07-22-2011, 12:56 PM
Dutch, I'm real disapointed in you. Didn't you notice that the Dow Jones Industrial average has increased by 1,836 since March 23, 2010 when Mr. Obama's health care bill was passed? How did the healthcae industry do? Carinal etc...

Flying Orca
07-22-2011, 12:57 PM
You might want to google "Post hoc ergo propter hoc".

S.V. Airlie
07-22-2011, 12:59 PM
Wonder why I bought Cardinal stock after Obamacare? UMMM

Dutch
07-22-2011, 01:59 PM
yep - obamacare has been a huge drag on the economy and its going to get much much worse if we some how dont vote obama and his neo fascists out of office in 2012

hokiefan
07-22-2011, 02:33 PM
Speeeeeeeeew ;) Dutch have you been in the walnuts again, your talking that crazy talk again.

Hey Joe, gonna give us a foot update?

Dave Wright
07-22-2011, 08:28 PM
How did the healthcae industry do? Carinal etc...

If you mean Cardinal Health, you hairy faced, illiterate, internet idiot, they're up about 25% since March 23, 2010.

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 08:57 AM
Doesn't matter if I spelled it incorrectly. I bought stock in it and that is what counts...:)

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 09:37 AM
Huntsman from what I can see. I think when the chaff settles, he will be looked at more closely as a candidate. Of course, I'm sure that those who fit in the Obama pocket will find some negative comments to post.

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 09:48 AM
Right..Take the glasses off MM.

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 11:07 AM
I have not dealt with it yet..I have looked at various plans..Not cheap..not even close but required in 2014...Affordable title is BS.

Tylerdurden
07-23-2011, 11:08 AM
I'm quite happy with Obama. I still have a decent job, my own house, three cars, a boat and a motorcycle. As a result of Obama's healthcare plan, I can get a lot of my healthcare for little or no cost to me at all. I got the revised plan earlier this year and was astounded at the positive changes and the cost to me hasn't gone up a dime. How about you, Jamie? Lol

And the occupations continue, renditions to recently exposed secret prisons in Somalia and torture is accepted and protected. Banksters make more money than ever before and unemployment is at 22.7 % and children and family's live in tents and cars. Glad your doing fine.

wardd
07-23-2011, 11:12 AM
the cost of private health care has gone up much more than the cost of mdeicare

Bob Adams
07-23-2011, 11:17 AM
I can promise you I will because there's no such thing as a good Repugnican. They're all crooks and liars.

Thats just like saying everyone in Memphis are idiots, it's called prejudice Mike.

Dutch
07-23-2011, 11:23 AM
I don't give a rat's butt about what's going on in Somalia.



the christian point of view eh?

Dutch
07-23-2011, 11:43 AM
That's one of the purposes of Obama's plan

must be why he got us into libya and added 30,000 troops to the afghan morass

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 11:46 AM
MM doesn't know whre Somalia is? Give him leeway. And as far as Obama's promises in the past, I visiting a salt lick.

wardd
07-23-2011, 11:52 AM
MM doesn't know whre Somalia is? Give him leeway. And as far as Obama's promises in the past, I visiting a salt lick.

"osama can run but he can't hide"

"osama, i don't think about him much. he's harmless"

paraphrasing

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 11:55 AM
Osama is dead...Can't do much..He's busy with 72 virgins.

wardd
07-23-2011, 11:58 AM
wonder why most businesses are in favor of single payer

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 12:00 PM
Let's see the wind is blowing from the NE. Now the gauge is spinning..What direction? Not sure..

Tylerdurden
07-23-2011, 12:03 PM
MM doesn't know whre Somalia is? Give him leeway. And as far as Obama's promises in the past, I visiting a salt lick.

How can anyone argue with Mikes well resoned logic? :D

wardd
07-23-2011, 12:11 PM
the fear the borg has is that like ss, health care will in time work well and they can't have that

what government doing something well

wardd
07-23-2011, 12:19 PM
waiting with baited breath

botebum
07-23-2011, 12:19 PM
Jesus died between AD 30 and AD 36 (depends on who you ask).
Mount Vesuvius erupted in AD 79.
The difference is 49-43.
The Cleveland Indians were at 49-43 when they went up against the Orioles last Sunday.
Orioles won, 8-3.
In 1983 the Orioles beat the Phillies in the "I-95 Series".
The Phillies hail from Pennsylvania.
The Obama family lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW.

Coincidence?
I don't think so.
Barack Obama is the 'New Jesus'.

Doug

Paul Girouard
07-23-2011, 12:22 PM
Jesus died between AD 30 and AD 36 (depends on who you ask).
Mount Vesuvius erupted in AD 79.
The difference is 49-43.
The Cleveland Indians were at 49-43 when they went up against the Orioles last Sunday.
Orioles won, 8-3.
In 1983 the Orioles beat the Phillies in the "I-95 Series".
The Phillies hail from Pennsylvania.
The Obama family lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW.

Coincidence?
I don't think so.
Barack Obama is the 'New Jesus'.

Doug

Maybe the Anti-Christ , but the "new Jesus" , ah, not so much!! Nice try though!:-))

botebum
07-23-2011, 12:26 PM
Nice try though!The (obvious to most) point was to show the lack of correlation in the OP.

Doug

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 12:28 PM
Doubt it.. I love it when you call I'm bitching because you want everyone to sit in Obama's pocket. The only reason you have to complain about..If I question his BS, it is automatically bitching...If I agree with him, I'm either a pariot or one of the elite. Love that..You hate anyone to disagrees and you hate anyone who does not toe the line.. Get a life MM.

botebum
07-23-2011, 12:35 PM
... I'm either a pariot ...Are you related to Barbara Pariot that did the voice for Valerie in the Josie and the Pussycats cartoons?

Doug

S.V. Airlie
07-23-2011, 12:43 PM
It's already being cut back. I think Obama was commenting on that earlier..I don't expect much from him. A helium balloon has more hot air. Nor do I expect SS to kick in either. At first, it was 62, than 65 and now we are looking at 68. Next step, 70...Don't expect anything different.

Bob Adams
07-23-2011, 12:52 PM
I can promise you I will because there's no such thing as a good Repugnican. They're all crooks and liars.

Hey Mike, besides being a skank, rumors are this is a closet Republican!


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/07/21/alg_abc_hilton.jpg

Michael D. Storey
07-23-2011, 11:48 PM
What is a huge job-killer in the United States is inadequate healthcare for people who can not afford it, and become injured or ill. People who can not afford healthcare out of packet are more likely to be engaged in manual work, which has a higher opportunity for injury,etc. When they are out of work because of their injury or illness, they become wards of the state, as it were, in many cases, because of foreclosure or eviction because of the loss of income. So, we can either get behind a comprehensive health care program and return these people to the job, where they will be self-sufficient (more likely to be, that is) and pay taxes, or not have a comprehensive health care program, and support their children because of poverty or through the foster care program in cases where their parents were to die from their illness or injury.

John P Lebens
07-24-2011, 12:33 AM
Of course this is trash data - Dutch, information from the Heritage Foundation is usually little more than propaganda and convinces nobody.

Did you ever wonder why they put the stuff out?

Fundamentally, they want to keep the American middle class insecure and willing to accept lower compensation. Since health insurance is often tied to corporate or union programs, it's a lever to control their worker clients.

A (positive) way to look at this is a world in which every American had health care available independent of an employer or a union. From the point of view of most workers, it would be an incredible boon. Worker mobility would improve because workers would not be tied by health care insecurity. It would be easier for small businesses to thrive, because health care costs would not be part of their hiring calculus. It would be easier to be a consultant because you'd have access to health care. Let's say every American is covered by a single payer like all our US military and seniors. MAybe as with Obamacare everybody has to make a contribution to the cost.


read it and weep

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Heritage-Chart.jpg