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Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 09:58 AM
Maybe this belongs in the upper decks, but there are 55k posts down here!

I want to cut out ply frames, and make patterns out of thin ply at the same time. How would I hold the thin ply in place while I run it through a band saw? Was thinking of some kind of adhesive, but I don't want to gum up the blade..
Any suggestions

botebum
07-14-2011, 10:02 AM
Hot glue gun.
BTW- You were right. It should be upstairs and I'd have given you the same answer there.

Doug

Paul Pless
07-14-2011, 10:12 AM
Any suggestionsduct tape

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 10:14 AM
I did use Screw it in the title... what would SP do?

Hot glue! didn't think of that stuff, thanks!

botebum
07-14-2011, 10:15 AM
duct tapeThis answer belongs on the 'Housewarming Gift" thread.
Edit- and now it is, credit given:D

Doug

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 10:16 AM
duct tape potentially a solution from Hell... ;)

Nicholas Carey
07-14-2011, 10:27 AM
double-sided carpet tape. Cheap, effective. Most importantly, easily removable.

See also Template Routing (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?6986-Tape-double-sided-sticky)

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 10:39 AM
double-sided carpet tape. Cheap, effective. Most importantly, easily removable.

See also Template Routing (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?6986-Tape-double-sided-sticky)
Good info.
Thanks!

Nicholas Carey
07-14-2011, 11:08 AM
Another option is a 23 gauge pinner, like this Grex (http://www.grexusa.com/grexusa/products.php5?id=P635)-- shoots 23 ga headless pins from 3/8 ins to 1-3/8 ins.

http://www.grexusa.com/grexusa/pics/P635.jpg

Apparently some of the routerheads out there are liking pinners for tacking down patterns for template routing over tape.

Mrleft8
07-14-2011, 02:34 PM
3M movable fixative.
I use it to attach patterns to stock all the time, and I've never had any issues with it gumming up te blades.
There used to be a product called "Best Test rubber cement" but I can't find it in stores around here anymore.

wizbang 13
07-14-2011, 03:21 PM
ply frames?

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 04:00 PM
The pinner is a few of evolutions up in shop tech for me, looks cool though.

Movable fixative sounds just right, finding it out here in the back of beyond is something else!
I was wondering about rubber cement, it sort of vanished a while ago, along with plastic model cement. Think it has to do with glue sniffers... a lot of the long term after effects can be seen in Congress, and Fox news ;)

Ply frames for a SOF canoe, already have a request for a second one :)

botebum
07-14-2011, 04:05 PM
You can still get rubber cement but have fun trying to release it.
After all the suggestions, I'd still use the hot glue gun.

Doug

Mrleft8
07-14-2011, 04:05 PM
That pin nailer wouldn't help w/this job anyway. I have one, and love it, but it doesn't pull things together, and when you pull the pattern off the frame stock, you'll have deadly sharp little spears puncturing your hands and fingers, which you can't pull out for love nor money.

Mrleft8
07-14-2011, 04:06 PM
http://www.dickblick.com/products/best-test-rubber-cement/

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 04:15 PM
Ahh... like cactus needles, or about any other plant that grows out here... looks sort of like grass, but don't walk in it

I found double sided carpet tape, so I'll play with that.
Kim has a hot glue gun stashed away which I'll try, but I'm gonna let her go through her stuff.

Paul Pless
07-14-2011, 05:22 PM
3M movable fixative.hair spray

jack grebe
07-14-2011, 05:32 PM
try a thin layer of jelly...........dried over nite.

the Shytes sticky as hell but you could still
pull the pieces apart.

botebum
07-14-2011, 06:18 PM
try a thin layer of jelly...........dried over nite.

the Shytes sticky as hell but you could still
pull the pieces apart.Grape? Strawberry? Plum preserves? ... KY? Nah that's Lefty's secret shop thing.:D

Doug

Mrleft8
07-14-2011, 07:45 PM
You forgot "Tattoo it"......

botebum
07-14-2011, 07:59 PM
You forgot "Tattoo it"......
Maybe this belongs in the upper decks ...



BTW- You were right. It should be upstairs ...It's starting to make sense isn't it?

Doug

jack grebe
07-14-2011, 08:09 PM
Grape? Strawberry? Plum preserves?

Doug
No preserves..............it causes lumps and air gaps between the sheets......







:d glad this ain't on the say... what thread

botebum
07-14-2011, 08:41 PM
No preserves..............it causes lumps and air gaps between the sheets....Take it from a pro- There is nothing worse than lumps and air gaps between the sheets.

(Still too easy Jack:rolleyes:)
That ought to teach a guy to invade the Bilge with boat related stuff!

Doug

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 08:49 PM
I take it that's from personal experience, and you sleep alone now???? :D

All I have is Jam... uhm strawberry and apricot

I'm thinkin' apple jelly, 'cause grape is gonna stain.

Mrleft8
07-14-2011, 08:53 PM
You could try royal jelly.... But plain old bees wax would probably work too. Thin it out with a little turpentine (Not paint thinner!).It'll smell like an olde tyme Maine cabin in the woods tourist motel.....

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 09:23 PM
'spose I could seal the dacron with bees wax as well... or not, this is the desert
sure would make a nice fire though.

Royal jelly .. ginsang and honey... blade issues? :D

Mrleft8
07-14-2011, 09:26 PM
Royal jelly .. ginsang and honey... blade issues? :D

Yeah.... one time I forgot to turn off the saw before I licked the blade clean.... Good thing it had a brand new zero clearance throat plate... :D

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 09:41 PM
Could have been hard to explain

Ghaaa mate!, don't stick your tongue in there!

Mrleft8
07-14-2011, 09:43 PM
Kinda like licking the cake frosting off the egg mixer before it stops...

botebum
07-14-2011, 10:18 PM
(Not paint thinner!).It'll smell like an olde tyme Maine cabin in the woods tourist motel.....Like Lefty's house except for the spot painting he's been working on. That smells worse.

Doug

Arizona Bay
07-14-2011, 10:52 PM
Just have to line up with the rotational axis. and kind of ease around the edges ... but I use my finger :D

ishmael
07-14-2011, 11:14 PM
I'm with Botebum, near as I can figure from what you've said. Hotglue. It comes in a variety of stickyness, from pretty hard to hardly there. Double sided tape might work too.

Mrleft8
07-15-2011, 07:54 AM
I have used Hot glue and didn't like the results. I went to a few dabs of silicone. It pops pretty easy after and doesn't damage the grain. I definitely like the carpet tape idea.

Lefty,
Where does one get 3M fixative?

I got it at the local hardware store (Which has turned into an ACE/TRU-VALUE store).
Not sure if it's still sold. It might be one of those things like MEK that's too dangerous for the shopping public to be trusted with.
I think Krylon makes a spray fixative too.

SMARTINSEN
07-15-2011, 08:02 AM
3M #77, readily available. A quick squirt, and it is readily removable, cleans up with mineral spirits or acetone. This is one of those things that goes on for days, and I am sure that at this point, the job is long done.:)

botebum
07-15-2011, 08:21 AM
I use 3M (Super) 77 all the time but not in applications like this.
While true that it is easily removed with mineral spirits, you have to get at it first to remove it. Trying to separate two pieces of wood bonded with 77 without damaging the wood would be quite a feat.

Doug

Mrleft8
07-15-2011, 08:35 AM
If you don't let the 77 set up first it comes apart very nicely. When I built the Marjie B. I traced the off-sets onto drafting paper (Herculon I think), then attached them to pine molds with the 3M 77. I cut right to the line w/ the bandsaw, and peeled the paper off. There was a little residue, but nothing to write home about. It'd clean up w/ thinner or get planed off of finished stock (Like the mahogany transom of the Marjie B.)

Paul Pless
07-15-2011, 09:01 AM
Alright, I am missing it. I'm telling y'all, use hair spray.

Paul Pless
07-15-2011, 09:03 AM
Oh, and a good trick for removing 'gummy' type adhesives like 3M77 is ether, in a spray can. Works especially well for peeling stuff apart. Get it the parts started, then spray a little in the crack and work it apart that way.

botebum
07-15-2011, 09:08 AM
Oh, and a good trick for removing 'gummy' type adhesives like 3M77 is ether, in a spray can. Works especially well for peeling stuff apart. Get it the parts started, then spray a little in the crack and work it apart that way.Great tip! I'll give it a try.

Doug

Mrleft8
07-15-2011, 09:13 AM
I always enjoy spraying a little in the crack anyway...

Nicholas Carey
07-15-2011, 10:31 AM
Oh, and a good trick for removing 'gummy' type adhesives like 3M77 is ether, in a spray can. Works especially well for peeling stuff apart. Get it the parts started, then spray a little in the crack and work it apart that way.3M 77 is designed as a permanent adhesive; 3M 75 is designed to be repositionable.

Mrleft8
07-15-2011, 11:25 AM
AH! I knew 77 didn't sound quite right!

botebum
07-15-2011, 11:42 AM
3M 75 is designed to be repositionable. That sounds like what I should be using to adhere sanding discs to worn out hook and loop pads. Would it hold up to that?
I now use the 77 and sometimes it's a PITA to remove the paper when it's spent.

Doug

SMARTINSEN
07-15-2011, 11:46 AM
Thanks for the clarification/correction, Nicholas. In any event, just a little light sppzzt to tack things together, and it will easily come right back apart. I try not to get silicone anywhere near wood working because it interferes badly with bonding and finishing

Mrleft8
07-15-2011, 11:47 AM
That sounds like what I should be using to adhere sanding discs to worn out hook and loop pads. Would it hold up to that?
I now use the 77 and sometimes it's a PITA to remove the paper when it's spent.

Doug

Why don't you just find an epileptic sheep..... Dual use! :D

botebum
07-15-2011, 11:50 AM
Why don't you just find an epileptic sheep..... Dual use! :DYou're a mess:D

Doug