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Tylerdurden
07-14-2011, 06:21 AM
Last week, the Obama administration announced (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8141-president-prepares-to-unveil-new-gun-safety-rules)that it was in the process of preparing new gun safety measures. The announcement, which coincided with the six-month anniversary of the Tucson, Arizona, shooting, provoked criticism from pro-gun groups as yet another way for the government to infringe upon Second Amendment rights. The administration appears unmoved, and today is putting its words into effect (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-executive-orders-impose-new-gun-rules/), by way of executive order. The executive order will implement newer restrictions on the sale of weapons in states near the border, and will impose greater penalties on those who violate certain gun laws. Fox News reports (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/11/atf-to-require-information-on-frequent-gunbuyers-in-border-states/):
Under the new policy, federal firearms licensees in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico must report purchases of two or more of some types of rifles by the same person in a five-day span. The requirement applies to purchases of semi-automatic rifles that have detachable magazines and a caliber of greater than .22.
According to the Justice Department, gun stores in four Southwest border states are mandated to report frequent purchases to the federal government.
The Bureau of Tobacco, Alcohol, Firearms and Explosives (still known as ATF, headquarters pictured above) will be responsible for generating and maintaining annual reports, approximately 18,000 a year. If no investigative leads are made within two years, the information will be destroyed.
The Daily Beast asserts (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/11/obama-s-new-gun-control-regulations-exclusive.html)that the Executive Order is just one of many, and contends that the tentacles of those orders reach significantly further than most are reporting. The details include:
A national electronic system designed to make background checks for handgun buyers simpler and faster, leaving an electronic paper trail. [And] tougher sentencing guidelines for straw buyers that [U.S. Attorney General Eric] Holder’s department pushed through procedural hoops at the U.S. Sentencing Commission earlier this year.
Ironically, the orders are being passed in the wake of the Project Gunrunner (aka Operation Fast and Furious) scandal which implicates both the ATF and the Justice Department. As reported by Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment.com, Project Gunrunner (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/7897-operation-fast-and-furious-a-deadly-govt-failure):
was a project of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Fireworks [sic]. In late 2009, the ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic “weapons of choice” used by Mexican drug traffickers — semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols. According to news reports several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but the Bureau encouraged them to continue.
ATF managers allegedly made a controversial decision: allow most of the weapons on the streets. The idea, they said, was to gather intelligence and see where the guns ended up. Insiders say it’s a dangerous tactic called letting the guns “walk.”
The project turned out to be a colossal failure, having resulted in a number of deaths, including that of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Likewise, a number of the guns that were permitted to “walk” by the ATF have turned up in several Arizona drug crimes.
In fact, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is currently in the process of investigating the mistakes made in Operation Fast and Furious, complicating the passage of any further gun control measures, as the federal government is behind the failures in Project Gunrunner.
Addressing the irony of the timing of the new proposals in the wake of the Project Gunrunner scandal, Republican Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) called the policy “a political maneuver.” In a statement, he pointed out:
It’s disconcerting that Justice Department officials who may have known about or tried to cover up gunwalking in Operation Fast and Furious are continuing attempts to distract attention from clear wrongdoing.
Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association (NRA), remarked of the new policy:
If they want to do something serious about stopping crime, they can do the tried-and-true rules and go after the criminals. They’re not. They’re collapsing prosecutions across the U.S. The idea of putting more forms on the honest people is ridiculous. They need to start on something the criminals don’t like, which is arresting and incarcerating.
LaPierre understands that the President has opted for an executive order because he recognizes his measures would not pass any other way. He noted:
I don’t think he’s got any support in Congress for doing this. If he does this, it’s going to be ad politics in election time. Law-abiding people are sick of proposals like this that line them up and let the criminals go free.
Rep. Rob Bishop (R-Utah), a member of Obama’s Second Amendment Task Force, declared, “Democratic government was always supposed to be messy, but it’s based on checks and balances. Going only through executive action is not good for his relationship with Congress … Those ideas are going to have a great deal of comments and can be abused especially if done by executive order.”
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney continues to assert that the administration is passing “common-sense measures [to] improve Americans’ safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights.”
An anonymous White House official indicated that the measures will be introduced separately and quietly, so as not to provoke attack ads.
The Obama administration’s circumventing Congress by implementing executive orders to pass such controversial measures as these reminds many Americans of a statement made by President Bill Clinton’s aide Paul Begala in 1998: “Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool.”
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8189-obama-uses-executive-order-to-pass-border-states-gun-restrictions

RodSBT
07-14-2011, 10:30 AM
Why should we expect any less from a corporate fascist puppet just doing his job. And just because you get caught with blood on your hands by the deaths of border patrolmen in the middle of your false flag operation doesn't mean you should stop, just forge ahead. Break some more laws, violate the constitution as best you can, I mean, it's just a G*d@mn piece of paper and all your little minions in the media will be watching your six.

BrianW
07-14-2011, 12:00 PM
If they are trying to stop weapons crossing the border, the ATF should stop shipping them over for free.

Like I said, Operations Gun Runner/Fast and Furious was a set up to use Mexican violence to restrict US gun ownership.

BrianW
07-14-2011, 12:07 PM
As far as the Tuscon shooting. The guy used a pistol, not a semi-automatic rifle.

It's the little things that screw up their cover story. ;)

Phillip Allen
07-14-2011, 12:08 PM
what are the literal restrictions of executive orders?

Phillip Allen
07-14-2011, 12:11 PM
greater than .22?

that includes ALL .22's, rimfires and old black powder cartridges

.22 short... .222 dia bullet (I think, even pellet guns)

ishmael
07-14-2011, 12:16 PM
An issue very fraught. As Brian mentions a pistol, albeit one with a lot of rounds.

Can anyone say responsibility? Come on, you can do it. RESPONSIBILITY.

Gerarddm
07-14-2011, 12:26 PM
O it works for me. A little common sense should prevail every once in a while.

As for those who complain, you worshipers at The Temple Of The Gun need to stop foaming at the mouth. Nobody is taking away your penile extenders.

Phillip Allen
07-14-2011, 12:29 PM
O it works for me. A little common sense should prevail every once in a while.

As for those who complain, you worshipers at The Temple Of The Gun need to stop foaming at the mouth. Nobody is taking away your penile extenders.

it ;is you and your ilk who have made the temple of the gun... just look how many guns Obama has sold

Dutch
07-14-2011, 12:37 PM
With a fist for your avatar your worried about penile extenders?


It's the little things that screw up his cover story


xxx

BrianW
07-14-2011, 12:42 PM
Why's it always the liberals who mention penises when talking guns?

I think they have a fetish. :D

BrianW
07-14-2011, 12:43 PM
...just look how many guns Obama has sold

Hell, look how many his Justice Dept gave away, to Mexican drug lords! ;)

ishmael
07-14-2011, 12:44 PM
What did I say the other night than you took exception to Mark?

Some restrictions on guns make sense. I think we can agree that fully automatic weapons in the hands of the public probably don't make sens., It didn't work well when people did have access to them. Fussbudgets trying to regulate everything don't make sense either. So, we try to strike a balance.

Personally, I'm on record saying that some day I want to shoot a
Tommy
gun.

BrianW
07-14-2011, 12:46 PM
Speaking of which...

We're headed to Juneau on the ferry in a couple hours. I gotta pick up some 32ACP ammo. Nobody carries it in town.

Paul Pless
07-14-2011, 12:47 PM
Why's it always the liberals who mention penises when talking guns?

I think they have a fetish. :D:D ...

Paul Pless
07-14-2011, 12:53 PM
Personally, I'm on record saying that some day I want to shoot a
Tommy
gun.Highly recommended! Especially at night, then for comparison purposes and ***** & grins back it up by shooting a modern machine gun like an MP5.

RodSBT
07-14-2011, 01:06 PM
Why's it always the liberals who mention penises when talking guns?

I think they have a fetish. :D

Agreed!!

When these issues come up they want everybody to pull their pants down and compare genitalia. Must have some insecurities.

switters
07-14-2011, 01:40 PM
that he is sticking his nose under the gun control tent is no surprise, that he used a signing statement is pure chicken crap. If it is such a good law then let congress vote, signing statements were only meant to be clarifications, not law.

In 2008, Obama responded to a question asking if he would promise not to use signing statements by saying yes and blasting Bush's efforts "to accumulate more power in the presidency."

"That's not part of his power, but this is part of the whole theory of George Bush that he can make laws as he goes along," Obama said. "I disagree with that. I taught the Constitution for 10 years. I believe in the Constitution, and I will obey the Constitution of the United States. We're not going to use signing statements as a way of doing an end-run around Congress."

I'm dont think the laws are going to solve the problem, they are not going to effect me, and once again the FFL guys get the shaft, the legal gun dealers.

Dutch
07-14-2011, 05:20 PM
Speaking of which...

We're headed to Juneau on the ferry in a couple hours. I gotta pick up some 32ACP ammo. Nobody carries it in town.

anything in .32 is tuff to find anywhere - seems to be an orphan caliber

Dutch
07-14-2011, 05:22 PM
If I ever buy another weapon in 32 this is the one it will be - 327 magnum

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROKyeRgdFOdotpq4t5qNUkflq5_YOOF lqaeo8fWmoWa4rk6n8buw

htom
07-14-2011, 05:30 PM
Why's it always the liberals who mention penises when talking guns?

I think they have a fetish. :D

Because they can't use either properly.

Phillip Allen
07-14-2011, 07:46 PM
anything in .32 is tuff to find anywhere - seems to be an orphan caliber

some of these calibers won't come back... the industry will be glad to get rid of them, I suspect... not enough customers to make it worth their while and pressure from political places

if Wal Mart refuses to carry, say, .32ACP then there aren't enough customers to make it worth spending several days re-tooling to run of a batch