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George Jung
05-20-2011, 01:00 PM
I caught this lil' gem, thought some here might enjoy it:



NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. (AP) — Aurora Toussaint brings her disabled son to the sun-kissed beaches of this Southern California city almost every day in the summer, knowing that the lifeguards who watch from their towers will be there in seconds should anything go wrong.
Yet Toussaint, who quit work and dipped into her retirement early to care for her seizure-prone son, was shocked to learn that most of the full-time lifeguards in this city earn more than $100,000 in total compensation a year — more than Toussaint made in her previous life as a nurse and more than she believes is right in an economy where pink slips have become common fare.
“When I first heard that I was amazed at how much they make. To think that these are lifeguards! That’s more than some doctors make,” said Toussaint, 55, as she sat by the beach with her son’s therapy dog, Romeo. “It does kind of make me feel like, ‘Gosh, maybe I should be a lifeguard.”’


http://omaha.com/article/20110520/AP/705209797#lifeguard-s-pay-riles-calif-beach-city

Brian Palmer
05-20-2011, 01:14 PM
Read the whole article before you jump in on this one. These are not 17-year old kids at the pool.

Old Dryfoot
05-20-2011, 02:01 PM
Read the article, still sounds excessive to me.

S.V. Airlie
05-20-2011, 02:02 PM
Where did she get the dog? It did not appear out of the blue..

pefjr
05-20-2011, 02:04 PM
Toussaint had a previous life?

bobbys
05-20-2011, 03:17 PM
They hardly make anything in Canada!.

http://demotivatorsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/baywatch-canada-demotivational-poster-1254189924.jpg

Old Dryfoot
05-20-2011, 03:26 PM
If your going to post on the topic of Canadian beaches at least use a photo that is representative of the majority.

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2009/7/1/5/canadian-beaches-are-cold-eh-11526-1246440189-6.jpg

bobbys
05-20-2011, 03:52 PM
If your going to post on the topic of Canadian beaches at least use a photo that is representative of the majority.

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2009/7/1/5/canadian-beaches-are-cold-eh-11526-1246440189-6.jpg.

Boy, you put me in my place, I better loin not to mess wit you!

Old Dryfoot
05-20-2011, 04:02 PM
.

Boy, you put me in my place, I better loin not to mess wit you!

Don't feel bad, I thought the least I could do was point out that one bit of misinformation in your previous post seeing as how I failed to see the relevance of a $200,000 salary for a life guard, and how that related to Canada in any way shape or form.

B_B
05-20-2011, 04:50 PM
.... I failed to see the relevance of a $200,000 salary for a life guard, ...
There is no $200,000 salary - that figure is includes the cost of all benefits most of which aren't taken home by the employee. The highest salary is $108,000 for the Commander, which doesn't appear inconsistent with what a person in charge of say the Fire Dept. or the Police, might earn.

FWIW the lifeguards most people see on the beach make between $16 and $22 / hr.

Old Dryfoot
05-20-2011, 05:29 PM
There is no $200,000 salary - that figure is includes the cost of all benefits most of which aren't taken home by the employee. The highest salary is $108,000 for the Commander, which doesn't appear inconsistent with what a person in charge of say the Fire Dept. or the Police, might earn.

FWIW the lifeguards most people see on the beach make between $16 and $22 / hr.

From the article, take home is ~$100,000 with a very healthy benefit plan, along with retirement at 50 at 90% of your salary.


Base salaries for Newport Beach lifeguards range from $58,000 for the lowest-paid officer to $108,492 for the top-paid battalion chief, according to a 2010 city report on lifeguard pay. Adding in overtime, special compensation, pension, medical benefits, life insurance and other pay, two battalion chiefs cleared more than $200,000 in 2010, while the lowest-paid officer made more than $98,000.

It still seems excessive to me.

LeeG
05-20-2011, 05:35 PM
It still seems excessive to me.

do you think a lifeguard should be paid less than a paramedic working at the fire dept?

George Jung
05-20-2011, 05:52 PM
It seems 'rich' to me, as well... but cost of living/salaries/economy in the midwest is quite different (I suspect) from California coastal.

I would point out, however, that even the union/membership in question acknowledges a disconnect, and is willing to renegotiate terms.

Old Dryfoot
05-20-2011, 06:08 PM
do you think a lifeguard should be paid less than a paramedic working at the fire dept?

How about on par instead of less?

Paramedics (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Paramedic/Salary)
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Paramedic/Salary/by_Years_Experience.png (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Paramedic/Salary/by_Years_Experience)

Firefighters (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Fire_Fighter/Salary)
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Fire_Fighter/Salary/Summary.png

Patrol Police Officers (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_or_Sheriff%27s_Patrol_Officer/Salary)
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_or_Sheriff%27s_Patrol_Officer/Salary/Summary.png

B_B
05-20-2011, 10:24 PM
Old Dryfoot is missing the important fact - a single Lifeguard, the boss, took home $108,000 salary.

The Lifeguards who are on par with the paramedics and police officers cited in his post, make $16-22 / hr - for a full year equivalent of $30,000 to $42,000, but seeing as they are seasonal employees take home much less annually. Which cannot be called excessive by any stretch of the imagination.

How about finding out how much the average take home is for Chiefs of Police or Fire Chiefs?

Retirement for many Gov't employees, eg RCMP and Corrections Officers, is 30 yrs. It used to be if you started when you were 18, full pension at 48 - I think there have been some changes recently, but I don't know.

George Jung
05-20-2011, 10:29 PM
Did you read the entire article?

The salaries they list - and more importantly, the benefits/retirement pensions (not many pensions these days) are higher than you are quoting.

Also note the nod by the unions that they recognize this, and are willing to renegotiate some aspects. They know they've got it good, too good,

but would dearly love to keep it as good as they can.

B_B
05-20-2011, 10:45 PM
Yes I read the article.

There are 13 full time lifeguards:

Base salaries for Newport Beach lifeguards range from $58,000 for the lowest-paid officer to $108,492 for the top-paid battalion chief, according to a 2010 city report on lifeguard pay. Adding in overtime, special compensation, pension, medical benefits, life insurance and other pay, two battalion chiefs cleared more than $200,000 in 2010, while the lowest-paid officer made more than $98,000.

There are 200 seasonal hires:

The fulltime guards train more than 200 seasonal lifeguards who make between $16 and $22 an hour,

Salary ranges are comparable to those in Los Angeles and San Diego:

In Los Angeles County, where guards patrol beaches from Santa Monica to Torrance, lifeguard salaries are fairly comparable, ....
In San Diego, where swimmers and surfers flock each summer, lifeguards make roughly the same salary range ....

George Jung
05-20-2011, 10:47 PM
Bottom line - pretty good pay/benefits.

I, for one, wouldn't have considered that a lucrative career choice - but it's not too bad! And the environs aren't too shabby, either.

Old Dryfoot
05-20-2011, 11:40 PM
Old Dryfoot is missing the important fact - a single Lifeguard, the boss, took home $108,000 salary.

The Lifeguards who are on par with the paramedics and police officers cited in his post, make $16-22 / hr - for a full year equivalent of $30,000 to $42,000, but seeing as they are seasonal employees take home much less annually. Which cannot be called excessive by any stretch of the imagination.

How about finding out how much the average take home is for Chiefs of Police or Fire Chiefs?

Retirement for many Gov't employees, eg RCMP and Corrections Officers, is 30 yrs. It used to be if you started when you were 18, full pension at 48 - I think there have been some changes recently, but I don't know.


I'm not really understanding why my opinion that the pay and benefits for a position like this seem excessive to me is hitting a nerve. In the future I will attempt to refrain from posting my opinion...

Retirement at 50 with 90% of your salary is a pretty good deal
$28,000 in overtime is a pretty good deal.
$40,000 to $100,000 in benefits is a pretty good deal


Base salaries for Newport Beach lifeguards range from $58,000 for the lowest-paid officer to $108,492 for the top-paid battalion chief, according to a 2010 city report on lifeguard pay. Adding in overtime, special compensation, pension, medical benefits, life insurance and other pay, two battalion chiefs cleared more than $200,000 in 2010, while the lowest-paid officer made more than $98,000.
That’s the kind of reaction Newport Beach’s 13-member fulltime lifeguard crew has drawn this month, since the local newspaper editorialized about lifeguard salaries, benefits and overtime pay that in at least two instances top $200,000 (with $400 for sun protection) as the city struggles to rein in pension costs.
“Because of the compensation, lifeguarding has evolved from a brief and youthful interlude into a career and that’s probably what’s most shocking,” said Councilwoman Leslie Daigle, who added that in the winter the fulltime lifeguards stayed busy answering phones and painting guard towers. “I think people are looking for elected officials to be more fiscally conservative. We love lifeguards, but that’s not the issue.”Okay lets look at Fire Chiefs (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Fire_Chief/Salary) Lots of years in the trenches before you get to be a Fire Chief, is the pay worth it, I think so.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Fire_Chief/Salary/Summary.png

And here are the Police Chiefs (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_Chief/Salary/by_State), Once again lots of time invested to get to this point, risking your life every single day. Worth it, you bet.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_Chief/Salary/by_State.png

B_B
05-20-2011, 11:53 PM
I'm not really understanding why my opinion that the pay and benefits for a position like this seem excessive to me is hitting a nerve. In the future I will attempt to refrain from posting my opinion...
Don't be silly! I like your opinions. We're just discussing nuances.

The most instructive part of the article is the part where they say the pay is in line with other jurisdictions. So while we can discuss whether or not it's a 'good' pay, it's what the industry average in that locale is. I'd also lay some blame on the article writer - the opening paragraph certainly didn't do much to engender understanding. And a good comparative of pay scales and take home for the paramedics would be a lot more instructive than prejudicial comments regarding answering phones and painting guard towers.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that, have a good long weekend.

skipper68
05-21-2011, 01:42 AM
I'm going to have the "Mommy Daughter" talk with my daughter! (Has her license to be a Security guard PT )Getting her license as a certified armed guard. Geeze! Beyond a cop? Stupid thieves. They will start her off at minimum wage.The chick at Carcell mall told her NOT to apply,with my grandkicd!

Gerarddm
05-22-2011, 04:38 PM
Yadda yadda yadda.

CA is drowning in debt. Everybody should take a haircut.

At the extreme, no lifeguard official should be making $200K a year in total compensation. Period.

Breakaway
05-23-2011, 12:03 AM
Sounds like a lot but...when you live where a "starter home" is 500K, its suddenly "average."

Kevin