View Full Version : Looking for origins of this double-ender
06-27-2004, 11:15 PM
I'm looking for origins of the double ender below. She's got beautiful lines, though quite interestingly, almost a hard chine. I'm sure she was built up north, but would like to find info on designer and/or builder and possibly old pics. I'm thinking about turning her into an open boat much like the nomansland boats featured in WoodeBoat a few months ago. Any thoughts? pics can be found at My Wooden Boat or the following link:
06-27-2004, 11:34 PM
Didn't we do this already?
"Can anyone ID this design?" Sadly eaten in the most recent Designs/Plans foray into the Twilight Zone.
[ 06-27-2004, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]
06-27-2004, 11:46 PM
Looks like a de-ja vu. (couldn't resist)
06-27-2004, 11:48 PM
De-ja vu all over again and it ain't over 'till it's over. I suppose for free we don't get backups, eh?
06-28-2004, 02:36 AM
How'd it go last time? Seems like somebody said:
"Holy moly, is that a rabetted chine log?"
06-28-2004, 07:10 AM
The boat is named "BETTY" and was built and designed by Paul Ketcham in Amityville, NY. She had the portlight in the front of the cabin but not the side ports when she left this area. I believe she was built in the late 1940's or early 50's. You can call the builder's son, Paul Ketcham Jr., who still runs the boatyard where she was built. The half model unfortunately burned in a house fire but the lofting is still in the shop. I don't have the phone number but the yard is located on New Point Place in Amityville, NY. This is the same Paul Ketcham who built the Seaford Skiffs of which Mystic has several.
06-28-2004, 07:19 AM
The boat also never had an engine. Is the thicker area on the stern post built up with pieces screwed to each side? That boat was sailed extensively in this area for about 40 years without an engine, why add one now? Also what would be the reason for removing the house? I think you should call Paul Ketcham, he learned to sail in this boat.
Ketcham's phone, at the yard, is 631-264-5756
06-29-2004, 09:51 PM
Yeah...I am the owner. A buddy of mine who is active in the forum sent the pictures in originally a couple of weeks ago. He got some replies, but, as everyone is aware - the posts took vacation. So I'm giving it a stab here.
I will certainly contact the yard as I'd love to find some original pics of the boat. Thanks for the contact info. I won't do anything rash as remove the cabin and "open her up" - that idea came after seeing the nomansland boat in April's WoodenBoat - the closest thing I'd found to date that even resembled her lines. I'd like to restore her to original condition. The stern was augered for a propeller shaft and motor mounts installed on the floor - an indication that a previous owner had planned to put in a diesel engine. I don't feel the need to continue that direction either. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated as I will document my progress for anyone interested.
06-30-2004, 03:42 AM
Does this forum rock or what. :D
Quite pretty in a simple way. Good luck wit her & please keep us posted (w/pictures :D )
06-30-2004, 12:48 PM
The pictures that were posted by Don were taken by my friend Diane who owned the boat for a few years back
in the mid 80's. They show her original
configuartion. The boat was a fine sailor and did a great job in rough weather. I sailed her most of the time, actually every oppurtunity that I had. I guess
you could say I loved the boat. My friend sold her back to the builder for the original purchase price. After That she was sold to a man who had owned her for a time in the late 50's who renamed her "Gypsy".
She was originally named for Paul Ketchum Sr's wife
Betty. I may remember more as time goes on. You can
contact me direct at firstname.lastname@example.org if you would like.
07-01-2004, 12:26 AM
This is more than I could have expected. Thanks for all the input guys. I've had the boat for about 7 mos. This weekend will be spent hoisting her off the trailer and getting her shored up, followed by a boat shed to protect her. I don't want to do anything I'd regret as her framing and planking seem to be in great shape...no rot except on the shoe protecting the keel. The planking is completely open and needs re-caulking, the spacing between each plank seems pretty consistent. In the meantime I'll take any advice I can get: from the boatyard, the forum, any books I can get my hands on. any thoughts?
I've got the sails: a gaff rigged mainsail that looks old and has a nameplate that reads "Craftsman Sail Makers Corp., Brooklyn, 32, New York" (and an image of an anchor surrounded by boats), also have some sort of jib that is newer construction. No mast, no boom, though, I do have some sort of spar (for the mainsail). Other than that the rudder (no tiller) and everything else you see in the pics.
Will send pics as I make progress. Thanks.
07-01-2004, 09:21 AM
It's too bad that the major parts of the rig are missing. Of course she was gaff rigged so there would be both a boom, and a gaff. She had two jibs.
one was a jenny, and the other was a small club footed working jib that was rigged to the traveler just farword of the cabin. The boat also never had turnbuckles, only sheaves. I also remember that the rig were the only
varnished items on the boat.
Frank E. Price
07-27-2004, 08:49 PM
Yeah, man. Now what about that chine log?
07-29-2004, 11:53 PM
What is a rabbetted chine log?
07-30-2004, 05:39 AM
That is a nice little boat!
If the plank that runs along the "corner" of the bilge on each side is much thicker than the rest, it is let into the frames in way, and it has the strakes either side of it let into it, it's a rabbetted chine log!
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