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Ian McColgin
04-20-2011, 03:50 PM
So I came back from the physical terrorist way too tired to go fiddle with Marmalade, too tired to read, and almost too tired to watch on the TV “Stone of Destiny”, a sweet little 2008 film about the Christmas 1950 theft from Westminister Abby of the Stone of Scone. (Not those scones your auntie made, silly.)

Ardent young nationalist Ian Hamilton, played by Charlie Cox, hatches the plot and does the initial recce. After a bit of Scottish dalleying with more talk than action, a team heads to London, decides to go for it that very Christmas night. and the very best of Key Stone cops sequences ensues.

As many here know, the Stone remains “on loan” at Arbroath Abby.

According to Wiki, reception was less enthusiastic that mine:
“Critical response to the film was mixed: Canadian Film, "A heartwarming triumph for the human spirit. For the non-English, a powerful tale of courage, pride, and the innocence of youth", Variety, "This unabashedly sentimental and outright anti-English pic is stodgy as a cheap haggis with nationalistic sentimentality", The Guardian, "A wee-dram-and-bagpipes invitation to a mythical Scotland of yesteryear", Channel 4, "A woeful slice of sentimental whimsy that makes Braveheart look like a documentary."
“The £6m movie took just £140,000 in the three weeks subsequent to release.”

To paraphrase The Bruce, “Up Theirs.” Get really tired, Have a glass of the real. And Enjoy.


04-20-2011, 04:49 PM
Aha, the Great Scone of Scotland! I well remember the McReekie rising of '74 when the Scots laid seige to the tower and attempted to reclaim the Great Scone for Scotland..........
(Script by Spike Milligan and Larry Stevens)

04-21-2011, 08:54 AM
There is a legend, that the stone of destiny was where Jacob rested his head for his dream. It was then carried to Ireland and even blessed by St Patrick. The ancient Kings of Ireland were crowned sitting apon this stone. When the Scots invades Northern Britain, the stone was carried with them as they increased their lands. Subsequently, every Kings of Scots was crowned sat apon the stone. Interesting note. There has never been a king of Scotland, only a king of Scots. This raised the problem with the Pope as a Scottish King could not collect Tithes.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-21-2011, 09:01 AM
A Song of Patriotic Prejudice, from Flanders and Swann:

The English, the English, the English are best:
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest!
The rottenest bits of these islands of ours,
We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers,
Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot,
- you'll find he's a stinker, as often as not.

The Scotsman is mean, as we 're all well aware,
And bony and blotchy and covered with hair,
He eats salted porridge, he works all the day,
And he hasn't got bishops to show him the way.

The English; the English, the English are best:
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest!

The Irishman, now, our contempt is beneath,
He sleeps in his boots and he lies in his teeth,
He blows up policemen (or so I have heard),
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third.

The English are noble, the English are nice,
And worth any other at double the price!

The Welshman's dishonest, he cheats when he can,
And little and dark, more like monkey than man,
He works underground with a lamp in his hat,
And he sings far too loud, far too often, and

And crossing the Channel, one cannot say much,
For the French or the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch;
The Germans are German, the Russians are Red,
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed.

The English are moral, the English are good,
And clever and modest and misunderstood!

And all the world over, each nation's the same,
They've simply no notion of Playing the Game:
They argue with umpires; they cheer when they've won;
And they practise beforehand, which ruins the fun!

The English, the English, the English are best:
So up with the English, and down with the rest!

It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad ...
It's knowing they're FOREIGN that makes them so mad!
For the English are all that a nation should be,
And the flower of the English are Donald
(Michael!) and me!!

04-21-2011, 09:31 AM
Andrew: Patron Saint Scotland.
Craig: Meaning, crag or outcrop, origin Celtic Scots.
Bennett: Origin Ayrshire Scotland.

Andrew, are you really bony, blotchy, and covered with hair?

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-21-2011, 09:54 AM
I'm working on the "bony" part of it! Need to lose two stone to be certain of sucess, but I am quite partial to salted porridge.

I don't actually feel foreign in Scotland, as I do in Wales, but I would not count myself a Scot, though my father was one.

Ian McColgin
04-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Aye, but haggis is for scots what chitlens are for blacks - something to serve outsiders as a sort of bad joke.

S.V. Airlie
04-21-2011, 09:58 AM
I tried to google "Kings of Scotland" vs. "King of the Scots. " I don't disagree with you but most of the sites use "Kings/Queens of Scotland". What you say, makes sense to me but could not find anything to support the claims....Any ideas?

S.V. Airlie
04-21-2011, 09:59 AM
Ian..Scottish eggs work in a pinch..