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Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 10:56 AM
all my life, I have taken a dim view of obese people and thought (yes really...when I was less experienced) that fatness was a conscious decision and reflected poorly on character or what have you

last week I achieved 100 pounds over my fighting trim, as defined by being 36 years old and active in volley ball and fending off the more aggressive women...etc

God is showing me the error of my ways :(

(275 pounds at slightly less than 5'11")

Glen Longino
03-05-2011, 11:02 AM
Why don't you change your ways, Phillip?
Too hard-headed?
Yes?
I figgered!:D
Seriously, if you lose only six pounds per month the next 12 months you'll weigh 203!
Go for it...simply alter your diet and exercise. Best wishes!

SMARTINSEN
03-05-2011, 11:11 AM
Better loose some weight before you jump on that horse, you would kill the poor beast.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 11:19 AM
Why don't you change your ways, Phillip?
Too hard-headed?
Yes?
I figgered!:D
Seriously, if you lose only six pounds per month the next 12 months you'll weigh 203!
Go for it...simply alter your diet and exercise. Best wishes!

I started three days ago...last night I got up three times and dressed to drive myself to the hospital...my chest hurt so bad that I couldn't breath...talked myself out of it each time

yes, I am changing my ways on all fronts

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 11:50 AM
I'm walking for half an hour and that's enough each time...only twice (haven't done it today) and I'm sore all over

among other things, I make sure to walk in plain view of traffic so that when I fall in a heap some one can cover me up

Dutch
03-05-2011, 11:53 AM
you spend too much time in front of the computer- jmo

Glen Longino
03-05-2011, 11:55 AM
..."walk in plain view of traffic"...
LMAO!:D
You danged pessimist!

S.V. Airlie
03-05-2011, 11:56 AM
Better loose some weight before you jump on that horse, you would kill the poor beast.

Any horse Phillip rides would have to be a clydesdale...:D:D:D Phillip a hundred pounds over is not good...Take your granddaughter for a few 20 mile hikes as was suggested. She would get out of the house and you would get a little exercise...

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 12:01 PM
Any horse Phillip rides would have to be a clydesdale...:D:D:D Phillip a hundred pounds over is not good...Take your granddaughter for a few 20 mile hikes as was suggested. She would get out of the house and you would get a little exercise...

my horse sees me coming and just lays down and lets out a heavy sigh

Hunky Dory
03-05-2011, 12:09 PM
Walking is good for the body, I like to row also, since I started rowing two yrs. ago I hardly recognise my arms and no more back pain. Now I just have to get my bigger rowboat built so I can do it yr. around, ice permiting.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 12:11 PM
to bring this back to my theory...I have held a dim view of fatties...now I are one...this is likely well deserved

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 12:22 PM
I suppose...trying to think of something aerobic that won't become boring before it does me any good is a real challenge

no one wants to float the river with me any more and I certainly can't play volleyball... further, the women that I find
interesting are very unlikely to find ME interesting and if they do then there's further cause for concern

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 12:30 PM
Just turn on some good music,and just move to it. Just a few minutes is better than none. Just kidding bout the guns.
I never danced

Standing by a wall, listening to the throb of the music

I never danced

Watching life moving in the dark from my safe corner

I never danced

I loved you from afar never touching never moving never loving ever loving un fulfilled un consummated un finished ever diminished ever so small

I never danced and now in my tardiness

I sway to the music

I dance alone

I imagine you with me but

I dance alone

S.V. Airlie
03-05-2011, 12:32 PM
" every one for himself!"said the elephant dancing among the chickens"

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 12:51 PM
Come on guy, Jumping jacks, Skipping, running what ever just move, no ones looking. The other option is what??

I said I was!

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Sorry just tryin to help.

you might do better by getting a switch and chasing me round the block :)

Gerarddm
03-05-2011, 01:51 PM
A delicate question is why the ephiphany didn't happen at 75+ or 50+ or even 25+ pounds given your aversion to obesity?

Tristan
03-05-2011, 03:09 PM
Walking is GREAT exercise for anyone. Start slow but stick with it. Rome wasn't built in a day. Better to do it yourself than have the doc's do it for you!

Glen Longino
03-05-2011, 03:24 PM
A delicate question is why the ephiphany didn't happen at 75+ or 50+ or even 25+ pounds given your aversion to obesity?

A delicate anawer is that Phillip has been delusional and in denial...and hard-headed.;)

Bobby of Tulsa
03-05-2011, 03:28 PM
A delicate anawer is that Phillip has been delusional and in denial...and hard-headed.;)

Live or die dude, your choice, It sucks ,but its true. I tried to be nice. I don't even get to choose.

perldog007
03-05-2011, 03:35 PM
Walking is good for the body, I like to row also, since I started rowing two yrs. ago I hardly recognise my arms and no more back pain. Now I just have to get my bigger rowboat built so I can do it yr. around, ice permiting.

+++ on the rowin' James M. helped me pick out this sleek beauty for my own waterborne fitness program

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww264/perldog007/IMGP0831.jpg?t=1299357358
well, gotta go hide now :)

Bobby of Tulsa
03-05-2011, 03:38 PM
+++ on the rowin' James M. helped me pick out this sleek beauty for my own waterborne fitness program

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww264/perldog007/IMGP0831.jpg?t=1299357358
well, gotta go hide now :)

Shes a beauty, does what she was built for. :):)

Glen Longino
03-05-2011, 03:41 PM
Live or die dude, your choice, It sucks ,but its true. I tried to be nice. I don't even get to choose.

No offense intended!
None of us get to choose to live or die, but all of us get to choose whether to wiegh 275 lbs or not.

ishmael
03-05-2011, 03:44 PM
Eat less, walk more.

Bobby of Tulsa
03-05-2011, 03:46 PM
No offense intended!
None of us get to choose to live or die, but all of us get to choose whether to wiegh 275 lbs or not.

No offense Takin, Thats just what I was saying. My lungs are failing, Little I can do, but he doesn't have to sit there and die.

Bobby of Tulsa
03-05-2011, 03:57 PM
Take the hint. If your angina is that bad, you need to get it fixed as soon as possible. It's a piece of cake these days. Less than 3 hours at the cath lab, most of that time spent waiting before and after the procedure. You'll feel like you lost 50 pounds...instantly.

Yes Phillip, this will be the most fun you have had in a long time. While the nurse shaves all your parts and asks if you are nervous. The only bad part for me was how sore my leg was for the next two weeks, and how big the bruise was.

Glen Longino
03-05-2011, 04:04 PM
No offense Takin, Thats just what I was saying. My lungs are failing, Little I can do, but he doesn't have to sit there and die.

Now I gotcha, Bobby!
My lungs are failing too, but they're failing slower than yours are.
May we both live to be 82 and get shot underneath the pool table with somebody's girlfriend!;)

pefjr
03-05-2011, 04:05 PM
I started three days ago...last night I got up three times and dressed to drive myself to the hospital...my chest hurt so bad that I couldn't breath...talked myself out of it each time

yes, I am changing my ways on all frontsIf this is true, you are risking your life if you don't find out what the cause is. It could be something fixable like a stint or worse, you may need some surgery. I have had two friends die on the tennis court from heart attack recently from the same symtoms, overweight and severe chest pains. I had another friend that died on the court(had no symptoms)and we did cpr until the emt's got there, he had a 5 by pass heart surgery, lost 30 lbs(a Filipino only slight overweight) and now 8 months later is starting to play again.


talked myself out of it each time
don't talk to that fool, go to the hospital and get checked.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:08 PM
If this is true, you are risking your life if you don't find out what the cause is. It could be something fixable like a stint or worse, you may need some surgery. I have had two friends die on the tennis court from heart attack recently from the same symtoms, overweight and severe chest pains. I had another friend that died on the court(had no symptoms)and we did cpr until the emt's got there, he had a 5 by pass heart surgery, lost 30 lbs(a Filipino only slight overweight) and now 8 months later is starting to play again.

don't talk to that fool, go to the hospital and get checked.

I didn't type everything...I'm lazy that way...I have had a nagging cough for days and coughed my toes up last night and yesterday...it's soreness from that I think (but not sure)

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:09 PM
A delicate question is why the ephiphany didn't happen at 75+ or 50+ or even 25+ pounds given your aversion to obesity?
has to do with some river in Africa :)

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:11 PM
+++ on the rowin' James M. helped me pick out this sleek beauty for my own waterborne fitness program

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww264/perldog007/IMGP0831.jpg?t=1299357358
well, gotta go hide now :)
based on the size (of the box)...just about anything you do must be outside the box :)

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:13 PM
Yes Phillip, this will be the most fun you have had in a long time. While the nurse shaves all your parts and asks if you are nervous. The only bad part for me was how sore my leg was for the next two weeks, and how big the bruise was.

my nervousness will have a lot to do with whether she used a straight razor and if her name is Bobbit

Bobby of Tulsa
03-05-2011, 04:14 PM
Phillip, I hope you get better soon, So God can kick your a$$. At least tell the whole story.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:16 PM
thanks, all...

Rich Jones
03-05-2011, 04:23 PM
I lost 22 lbs five years ago by doing weight watchers and going to the gym five days a week. Since then, I've put on 25 lbs! Now, at age 57, I'm trying to lose it again and it's a total BITCH. Weight watchers ain't working this time and the gym is BORING. Plus, because of joint concerns, I can't exercise that much anyway. I'm also looking for an answer. It all has to do with willpower, but I don't have an abundance of that.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:29 PM
I lost 22 lbs five years ago by doing weight watchers and going to the gym five days a week. Since then, I've put on 25 lbs! Now, at age 57, I'm trying to lose it again and it's a total BITCH. Weight watchers ain't working this time and the gym is BORING. Plus, because of joint concerns, I can't exercise that much anyway. I'm also looking for an answer. It all has to do with willpower, but I don't have an abundance of that.

like me, you gotta work with what ya got...(sorry)

perldog007
03-05-2011, 04:37 PM
based on the size (of the box)...just about anything you do must be outside the box :)

Nope

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww264/perldog007/IMG_1811-1.jpg?t=1299361053

Better tighten up there Phillip, that was easier than rebutting a progressive :)

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:40 PM
Nope

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww264/perldog007/IMG_1811-1.jpg?t=1299361053

Better tighten up there Phillip, that was easier than rebutting a progressive :)

crappy little fish...

perldog007
03-05-2011, 04:56 PM
crappy little fish...

That would be this one :)

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/69451_1417217991038_1250263341_30934529_785894_n.j pg

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 04:58 PM
That would be this one :)

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/69451_1417217991038_1250263341_30934529_785894_n.j pg

that's a perchy little fish

perldog007
03-05-2011, 05:19 PM
I couldn't believe that little guy hit that fly, had to be like a size 8 hook and you can see how small the fish was next to my 3wt reel...... I'm telling you, fly fishing from a little wooden boat. It may not cure you but you'll be so happy you won't give a bubbly flatulence. Word.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 05:22 PM
I couldn't believe that little guy hit that fly, had to be like a size 8 hook and you can see how small the fish was next to my 3wt reel...... I'm telling you, fly fishing from a little wooden boat. It may not cure you but you'll be so happy you won't give a bubbly flatulence. Word.

I tried fly fishing...it bored the hair off me...I fish with a 4' ultra light spin-cast rod and reel (3# line)...under low branches and in thickets along the river...rarely in the open (like a tourist) :)

jbelow
03-05-2011, 05:29 PM
I couldn't believe that little guy hit that fly, had to be like a size 8 hook and you can see how small the fish was next to my 3wt reel...... I'm telling you, fly fishing from a little wooden boat. It may not cure you but you'll be so happy you won't give a bubbly flatulence. Word.

Gut him , fry em whole and eat em like a potato chip. perldog007 , your really living the good life.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 05:33 PM
back when I used to be able to do it in my youth...a quiet evening by the river after a day of short trips up and down the stream, I would fry up a small mouth bass or two and watch the stars come out before turning in and listening to various creatures walk past my camp

Bobby of Tulsa
03-05-2011, 05:39 PM
I tried fly fishing...it bored the hair off me...I fish with a 4' ultra light spin-cast rod and reel (3# line)...under low branches and in thickets along the river...rarely in the open (like a tourist) :)

Phillip what doesn't bore you? Try staying in the hospital a week or more.

perldog007
03-05-2011, 05:39 PM
Gut him , fry em whole and eat em like a potato chip. perldog007 , your really living the good life.

Sadly, our ponds indicate doing that infrequently and early in the year... but every spring I round up a 'mess' and my hyperactive 73 year old surrogate dad fries them up. Good times.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww264/perldog007/PICT0066.jpg?t=1299364669

Phillip, if you can swing it those sea eagle thingies are cool little exercise machines too. Specially if'n you use the manual pump. They're cool because they live in the trunk of a four banger sedan and you just get some paddle time in whenever you have a couple of hours....

Meli
03-05-2011, 05:45 PM
Have you been to a doctor? if you're 45kg overweight and having chest pains, GO AND SEE A DOCTOR.
Someone carrying that much excess can kill themselves with un monitored extra size

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 05:57 PM
Have you been to a doctor? if you're 45kg overweight and having chest pains, GO AND SEE A DOCTOR.
Someone carrying that much excess can kill themselves with un monitored extra size

I am seeing a doc regularly...taking meds for blood pressure and congestive heart failure...I want off the meds and the only way I have a chance of doing that is to lose weight...I've known for years but needed to pick my battle ground for best effect

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 05:58 PM
Phillip what doesn't bore you? Try staying in the hospital a week or more.

I reckon that'd do it

LeeG
03-05-2011, 06:04 PM
Perldog, life is pretty good. Thanks for the pic. Phillip, I wish you well and if you don't make it to the hospital I hope the end is swift, from what my gf has had to do lifting big people (she's presently on light duty for a ruptured disc after lifting big people as a paramedic) they go back to the same people many times before it's the last time.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 06:07 PM
Best thing you could do is get yourself a heart rate monitor to use when you exercise. It'll always tell you whether you're at the correct pace. They're inexpensive and they work great. I use one all the time for swimming, cycling and running.

I have a blood pressure cuff...I checked and blood pressure was actually good...gotta be soreness

jbelow
03-05-2011, 06:19 PM
Phillip , do go to the doc. I'm 100lb overweight. and have no excuse. I do go to the doc for check-up and blood work . I'm 52 yrs old have enlarged prostrait and elevated colestrol. Not on any medication . Things ok for now but will not stay that way. I was an athlete up until my late 20s. I'm a has-been that was proud of my looks and athletic ability maybe too proud. My muscular strength is still good but endurance is way down.

Glen Longino
03-05-2011, 06:33 PM
I have a blood pressure cuff...I checked and blood pressure was actually good...gotta be soreness

I suspect you did too much too soon.
You may have to get one of those pretty female personal trainers who will spank you if you do too much and spank you if you do too little. The best of both worlds!;)

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 06:38 PM
I laid out today... tomorrow it's back into the walking

Meli
03-05-2011, 07:14 PM
Here's a great tip to save loose weight.

First, most of us have a flattering mental image of how we look, even when we look in a mirror.

Sooooo, check out some of the more reputable dating sites (free ones are OK for this purpose)

register as a (your age) Female looking for a Male of the same age :D
Put your ideal partners weight/build as average.

Then look at the prospective swains it comes up with. :eek

And yes, we really do look like that.

Do this everytime you think, That flab is just a little cuddly :D

The Bigfella
03-05-2011, 07:36 PM
I reckon I could benefit by losing 41 lb or so. I lost 20lb on my SE Asia trip (not eating sugary foods, hence eating less and more exercise)... but it's snuck back on.

When you eat foods that contain refined sugar (as is the case with a whole heap of what we eat)... the body doesn't say "I'm full"... it wants more. We eat too much as a result and end up fat.

shamus
03-05-2011, 08:11 PM
Some people, and I'm one of them, don't handle sugars and simple carbs like bread and spuds and pasta very well. A year ago Mickey started a thread on weight which got me thinking and I've been losing weight slowly since then. I don't diet as such, and I don't pick and choose if socialising, but if I'm religious about avoiding those things for a week at a time a bit more disappears. I've knocked off about 7 kilos in twelve months- without much effort- that's about a third of what I plan to get rid of.

Phillip Allen
03-05-2011, 09:13 PM
I reckon I could benefit by losing 41 lb or so. I lost 20lb on my SE Asia trip (not eating sugary foods, hence eating less and more exercise)... but it's snuck back on.

When you eat foods that contain refined sugar (as is the case with a whole heap of what we eat)... the body doesn't say "I'm full"... it wants more. We eat too much as a result and end up fat.

I am actively trying to think of a way to keep it from sneaking back...that would be depressing indeed

purri
03-05-2011, 09:39 PM
Consume monosaccharides (aka fruit).

perldog007
03-05-2011, 10:08 PM
Phillip, there are a million and six things out there that people swear by. Me, I was particularly stricken by something I read about a third of all medical healing being due to the placebo effect.

That and my hyperactive conservative Christian 73 year old surrogate dad telling me that health is a state of mind... Find something that resonates with you and go with it. I'm down 55lbs from those pics last season. Still a whopper, but making headway. Your solution is out there, it just has to be the one you believe in. I know you'll find it.

Concordia...41
03-06-2011, 07:57 AM
I am seeing a doc regularly...taking meds for blood pressure and congestive heart failure...I want off the meds and the only way I have a chance of doing that is to lose weight...I've known for years but needed to pick my battle ground for best effect

So pick something - anything. Give it a few days. If you like it, keep it up. If you don't - try something different.

Watching what you eat is the other side of the coin. Both www.fitday.com (http://www.fitday.com) and www.caloriecount.about.com (http://www.caloriecount.about.com) have excellent free programs where you can create a simple profile and then track what you eat and your exercise. I find it interesting to see that the 2+ miles I just did on the treadmill at the gym burned 225 calories, which is way less than the bag of chips and chees dip I plowed through last night :(

Knowlege is power though. Lew Barrett turned me on to fitday a couple of years ago, and I really like it. Caloriecount has an excellent forum with lots of motivation to be found. They also send out a daily email with good practical suggestions.

Keep up the good (hard) work, but don't be foolish about going to the hospital. One wrong guess in that department can be fatal. Better to err on the side of caution.

-M

paladin
03-06-2011, 08:24 AM
I told ya...have the heart attack...then lose 85 pounds in a large hurry.

Sis came for a visit. She took a look at me and my clothes, which were just hanging. I wander around the house barefoot, wearing the khaki shorts and a pullover shirt. She took my measurements and is going to get some new clothes that fit. I told her I needed a new boat to keep me fit and I got something that sounded somewhat like a horse laugh.