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John Smith
03-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Polls continually show most of the public is opposed to ending any collective bargaining rights for the public unions.

In debt to someone other than the public, Governor Walker continues his arrogant stance against unions, and against public employees, who are well aware they are being asked to sacrifice while the Wall Street crooks who caused all this in the first place, are not being asked to sacrifice.

Meanwhile, in Ohio, similar garbage is being shoved down the throats of the people. In order to get their bill past two committees, a republican on each committee who opposed the legislation had to be replaced with one who supported it.

In Washington, meanwhile, driven by the Tea Party and/or the religious right, the republicans have presented legislation to make our governmnet MORE intrusive (bigger), and have produced no legislation aimed at creating jobs,

What Wisconsin appears to have done is put on the front page, and into the minds of millions of voters, what republican leadership looks like. Unless one is a millionaire, it's not a pretty sight.

They seem to hae a total disdain for the working class as they worship the wealthy.

At this point, Wisconsin is but a small battle in a much larger war. That war goes on, I expect, regardless of who wins this battle.

These governors will be the face of the Republican Party in 2012. Barring some other event/s all of these things look to me like a party destroying itself and creating a great opportunity for the democrats to gain seats all over the place, including Congress; maybe we'll have a filibuster proof majority.

S.V. Airlie
03-04-2011, 08:40 AM
National poll or state polls..Which one is being used here in your uncited post above..

WI Tom has not seen a great deal of nonunion participation in the protests. He has said that several times and he LIVEs/TEACHES in WI.

Horace
03-04-2011, 08:43 AM
In Washington, meanwhile, driven by the Tea Party and/or the religious right, the republicans have presented legislation to make our governmnet MORE intrusive (bigger), and have produced no legislation aimed at creating jobs.....
Which particular legislation do you refer to here?

wardd
03-04-2011, 08:44 AM
let's hope so

since about eisenhaur the republicans haven't run the economy well

the middle class has done better under progressive policies than consertive policy

oznabrag
03-04-2011, 08:44 AM
Sure looks that way to me.

Rich Jones
03-04-2011, 08:51 AM
The Gop eating itself would be a dream come true. A filabuster-proof Democratic government would be a result of that dream. Than, keep your eyes open for Andrew Cuomo in 2016.
What you say is truth. The GOP is showing it's arrogant self as servants of the very rich who put us here and paid no price for it, with no regard for the rest of us. Why middle-class Republicans are blind to this, I cannot understand.

oznabrag
03-04-2011, 09:24 AM
The Gop eating itself would be a dream come true. A filabuster-proof Democratic government would be a result of that dream. Than, keep your eyes open for Andrew Cuomo in 2016.
What you say is truth. The GOP is showing it's arrogant self as servants of the very rich who put us here and paid no price for it, with no regard for the rest of us. Why middle-class Republicans are blind to this, I cannot understand.

I think it has to do with the first stage of dealing with loss: Denial. They literally can't believe they've been suckered and raped so hard.

Next comes Pain and Guilt, just in time for Obama's historic 2012 landslide victory over some schmuck.

John P Lebens
03-04-2011, 09:42 AM
The good news about these newly elected Republicans is they are letting it all hang out for the world to see. Their consistent priorities are to keep the economy weak until the next presidential election and shift money to their corporate minders. I believe this is getting through to middle of the road Americans.

For them, fixing deficits and the debt is a great talking point, but their actions say something else. Real reductions would include the big budget items of defense, Social Security and Medicare plus raising taxes.

McMike
03-04-2011, 09:46 AM
Nah, the giant is awake but too lazy to get outta bed, he's gonna hit the snooze button and sleep till it gets much much worse.

The people in general agree that state and federal employees are overpaid and over benefited; I think in some cases they're right. But the push to quash employee rights is not going to stop there and that's the real bummer.

Chris Coose
03-04-2011, 09:57 AM
The new knuckle head Maine governor is proposing cutting tons of money that goes directly to poor people while continuing to cut taxes for the wealthiest (still using trickle down defenses).
I have a feeling the Democrats will be making significant comebacks very shortly.

The new agenda by newly elected republican governors is transparent as hell.
Public service people who have been quiet are our best educators and we citizens ought to be backing them.

Here is an editorial about a teacher who spoke at a budget hearing who teaches my kid at King Middle School.
I shall be visiting on her today to relate my deepest regards for her courage and oration. She is a giant in my book.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/a-pointed-budget-message-hits-the-mark_2011-03-04.html

Roger Long
03-04-2011, 10:02 AM
Why middle-class Republicans are blind to this, I cannot understand.

Not hard to understand. Modern media has done for manipulation of the electorate what the machine gun did for warfare. Money is the ammunition.

wardd
03-04-2011, 10:10 AM
The good news about these newly elected Republicans is they are letting it all hang out for the world to see. Their consistent priorities are to keep the economy weak until the next presidential election and shift money to their corporate minders. I believe this is getting through to middle of the road Americans.

For them, fixing deficits and the debt is a great talking point, but their actions say something else. Real reductions would include the big budget items of defense, Social Security and Medicare plus raising taxes.

social security is running a surplus and adds not one dime to the deficit and will be that way for a few years to come

S.V. Airlie
03-04-2011, 10:12 AM
Wouldn't be more appropriate to say a surplus of IOUs wardd.

wardd
03-04-2011, 10:14 AM
Wouldn't be more appropriate to say a surplus of IOUs wardd.

so you think the government should default?

who would ever buy a tbill again

S.V. Airlie
03-04-2011, 10:16 AM
No, it will just have to rob Peter to pay Paul who will have to rob Fred to pay Paul and on and on.

Brian Palmer
03-04-2011, 11:34 AM
No, it will just have to rob Peter to pay Paul who will have to rob Fred to pay Paul and on and on.
So who should pay our teachers?

Rich Jones
03-04-2011, 11:46 AM
The new knuckle head Maine governor is proposing cutting tons of money that goes directly to poor people while continuing to cut taxes for the wealthiest (still using trickle down defenses).
I have a feeling the Democrats will be making significant comebacks very shortly.

The new agenda by newly elected republican governors is transparent as hell.
Public service people who have been quiet are our best educators and we citizens ought to be backing them.

Here is an editorial about a teacher who spoke at a budget hearing who teaches my kid at King Middle School.
I shall be visiting on her today to relate my deepest regards for her courage and oration. She is a giant in my book.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/a-pointed-budget-message-hits-the-mark_2011-03-04.html

Good article. I liked the thing about the "teacher voice". Both my wife and daughter are teachers. Whenever they talk to me, I find myself listening quietly with my hands folded in front of me. Spooky, the power they radiate. Sometimes, when they feel I'm in the wrong, they threaten to take away recess!

oznabrag
03-04-2011, 12:13 PM
Teachers are the community's most valuable resource and these so called republicans don't give flying f**k.

There is a problem to be resolved. Not a crisis.

They suck because they lie about their true motives.

The Republican Party is eerily analogous to an abusive spouse. Wouldn't you agree?

Brian Palmer
03-04-2011, 12:47 PM
Teachers are the community's most valuable resource .

And education is the most important gift we can give our children.

wardd
03-04-2011, 12:50 PM
So who should pay our teachers?

\obviously they should work for free

wardd
03-04-2011, 12:53 PM
they hate unions because they stand in the way of the wealth grab that is under way

PeterSibley
03-04-2011, 03:39 PM
Not hard to understand. Modern media has done for manipulation of the electorate what the machine gun did for warfare. Money is the ammunition.


Well said .

WI-Tom
03-05-2011, 08:13 AM
With our Governor's budget (NOT the union-busting "budget repair bill), we've seen even worse things in Wisconsin. The Governor wants to do away with teacher license requirements and let anyone with a bachelor's degree qualify to teach. He wants to turn down federal money and avoid federal mandates for a reading specialist in every school. He seems to be pushing schools to consider a 4-day school week to cut busing costs. And when school district after school district pointed out that the Governor's cuts will leave them FAR short of operating costs, his solution is "Take MORE from the unions. No one said you could ONLY take what I'm requiring. By all means, cut wages and benefits as much as you want." (a paraphrase, but accurate)

The Governor seems to want to radically change education in Wisconsin in a budget bill rammed through very quickly. He has NOT consulted teachers or staff at the Department of Public Instruction (the DPI superintendent is a constitutionally mandated office that is being made irrelevant by the Governor's tyranical tactics).

Oh, it's bad for workers and the middle class nationwide--but maybe it's worst for students in Wisconsin schools under this guy.

Tom

jbelow
03-05-2011, 02:58 PM
Labor unions really suck but are a needed to defend the weak and the dumb. The public does not realize that many union members make up the much of the upper middle class and rich in this country (all depends on how you define rich). In this case , the interest of the public out rank the interest of the unions. Unions must be kept in check. Out of controle unionism leads to communism.

wardd
03-05-2011, 03:05 PM
Labor unions really suck but are a needed to defend the weak and the dumb. The public does not realize that many union members make up the much of the upper middle class and rich in this country (all depends on how you define rich). In this case , the interest of the public out rank the interest of the unions. Unions must be kept in check. Out of controle unionism leads to communism.

beck, rush, haneity, oriely, et all belong to a union

jbelow
03-05-2011, 03:19 PM
beck, rush, haneity, oriely, et all belong to a union

Just proves they are not cold hearted elite rich people. They are just plain weak and dumb. I have been weak and dumb at times in my life but was smart enough to not join a gang of crooks to protect myself from another gang of crooks. I learned to man up and take care of myself by Gods grace.

wardd
03-05-2011, 03:43 PM
Just proves they are not cold hearted elite rich people. They are just plain weak and dumb. I have been weak and dumb at times in my life but was smart enough to not join a gang of crooks to protect myself from another gang of crooks. I learned to man up and take care of myself by Gods grace.

does that mean you'd never call the police if your home was being broke into?

perldog007
03-05-2011, 04:05 PM
Every now and then, Jon Stewart manages to say something so perceptive and eloquent (albeit in a mocking satirical way), it leaves me astounded. Here he is, talkling about the Wiaconsin teachers, Wall Street, and Fox News, in a way that positively says it ALL!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-3-2011/crisis-in-the-dairyland---for-richer-and-poorer---teachers-and-wall-street

(Do Fox News commentators ever listen to how stupid they sound?)

Don't know about all of them but O'reilly's a fan. Have you ever watched Stewart on the factor? There's got to be some youtube on it, pretty funny stuff when those two get together. Stewart lambasts him pretty good face to face as well.

jbelow
03-05-2011, 04:20 PM
does that mean you'd never call the police if your home was being broke into?

wardd , I'm a Texan with overwhelming firepower at my fingertips just for fun. What do you think ?

wardd
03-05-2011, 04:29 PM
wardd , I'm a Texan with overwhelming firepower at my fingertips just for fun. What do you think ?

the bad guys have guns too

and in a fire fight i'd rather be on the outside shooting in than inside shooting out

jbelow
03-05-2011, 04:41 PM
the bad guys have guns too

and in a fire fight i'd rather be on the outside shooting in than inside shooting out

Thats why the overwhelming firepower.

perldog007
03-05-2011, 09:41 PM
the bad guys have guns too

and in a fire fight i'd rather be on the outside shooting in than inside shooting out

That would fly in the face of the principle of the "well entrenched defender" basically the principle states that an assault on a well defended position normally entails heavy casualties on the part of the attackers.. I think Jeff Cooper was the last military authority I read that from.

wardd
03-05-2011, 09:43 PM
That would fly in the face of the principle of the "well entrenched defender" basically the principle states that an assault on a well defended position normally entails heavy casualties on the part of the attackers.. I think Jeff Cooper was the last military authority I read that from.

how many houses are fortified?

how many walls will a 30.06 penetrate

and don't houses burn?

those on the outside can engage and disengage at will

McMike
03-05-2011, 09:51 PM
JBelow and Wardd, you both are being ridiculous. Just saying.

perldog007
03-05-2011, 09:52 PM
how many houses are fortified?

how many walls will a 30.06 penetrate

and don't houses burn?

those on the outside can engage and disengage at will

when the student is ready, the teacher appears - apparently.... :D

perldog007
03-05-2011, 09:53 PM
JBelow and Wardd, you both are being ridiculous. Just saying.

Yes but they are in the right venue, better than say flying along the freeway over 65mph being ridiculous, no? :D

McMike
03-05-2011, 09:56 PM
Yes but they are in the right venue, better than say flying along the freeway over 65mph being ridiculous, no? :D

True.:D

wardd
03-05-2011, 09:58 PM
i encourage those on the right to keep talking

the more they talk the more they are listened too

and when most people actually start to listen to them the more they hear they don't like

just saying

McMike
03-05-2011, 10:02 PM
i encourage those on the right to keep talking

the more they talk the more they are listened too

and when most people actually start to listen to them the more they hear they don't like

just saying


Don't steal my "just saying".;)

wardd
03-05-2011, 10:04 PM
Don't steal my "just saying".;)

how old are you?

just askin

McMike
03-05-2011, 10:06 PM
how old are you?

just askin

Old enough to know you and Jbelow were being ridiculous.

wardd
03-05-2011, 10:09 PM
i have one bb gun and a 20 ga shotgun for which it's hard to get shells

but i do have a watch duck inside

McMike
03-05-2011, 10:11 PM
Yeah and you know what they say about the duck?

wardd
03-05-2011, 10:13 PM
he's a good duck, he likes grapes

Canoeyawl
03-06-2011, 12:33 AM
I think it has to do with the first stage of dealing with loss: Denial. They literally can't believe they've been suckered and raped so hard.
Or... they like it

jbelow
03-06-2011, 12:42 AM
he's a good duck, he likes grapes

got any grapes ?

wardd
03-07-2011, 09:23 AM
got any grapes ?

always

wardd
03-07-2011, 09:23 AM
Ironically, in Wisconsin, where Republican Gov. Scott Walker is trying to weaken public-sector unions and reduce pension benefits, he's exempted police and firefighters, who are among the most unionized public employees. And Wisconsin's public-sector pension plan still has enough assets today to cover more than 18 years of benefits.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/06/109649/why-employee-pensions-arent-bankrupting.html#ixzz1FvY8zaYX


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/06/109649/why-employee-pensions-arent-bankrupting.html