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John B
03-01-2011, 05:14 PM
Always good...

This one we've narrowed down to 3 boats . I'm convinced I know which one of the NZ classics it is but happy to have my mind changed . The boat is circa 1890's and is the 'old generation' which preceded the new spoon bow boats of the mid 1890's on. The photo? quite poor really but it looks to me like a nostalgia printing/ framing.. old enough to be say 1930's/40's or so... maybe before right back to 1900 I suppose.
One of the boats we've narrowed it to is very much alive , one is hanging on by her fingers and one is a stripped out hull, no deck, which may or may not still be alive.( I last saw/ heard of it a few years ago.)


and this one . 1949, Bellona making through Governors pass at Great Barrier island. I recognised the pass from about 10 metres away in the shop, and I've been through there a hundred times myself ( although with a bit more clearance.) We spent a lovely day in the bay right above her flagstaff in january.. thats Little Barrier island looming in the background.


A quick bit of google research says Bellona served the British navy late in the war before becoming a NZ navy vessel post war.

HMS Bellona was the name ship of her subgroup of light cruisers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cruiser) for the Royal Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy). She was a modified Dido-class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dido_class_cruiser) design with only four turrets but improved anti-aircraft armament. Entering service in 1943, the cruiser operated during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) as an escort for the Arctic convoys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_convoys_of_World_War_II), as a jamming ship to prevent the use of radio-controlled bombs, and in support of the Omaha Beach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_Beach) landings.
In 1946, the cruiser was loaned to the Royal New Zealand Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_New_Zealand_Navy). Although not involved in the multi-ship mutiny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Royal_New_Zealand_Navy_mutinies) at the start of the month, 140 sailors elected to not return to the ship in protest of the poor pay and working conditions, and how their colleagues had been treated. 52 sailors were eventually marked as deserters, while the others were charged with various offences.
Bellona was returned to the Royal Navy in 1956. She did not reenter service, and was scrapped two years later.

Bellona participated in several Russian Convoys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_convoys_of_World_War_II), both before and after D-Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Day). Prior to D-Day, she took over Channel patrol in place of HMS Charybdis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Charybdis_(88)), which had been sunk off the Channel Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Islands) by a radio-controlled bomb. On arrival at Plymouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth), Bellona was fitted with equipment for jamming the radio signals that controlled the bombs. Bellona and seven destroyers were involved, including HMS Tartar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tartar_(F43)). The codename for the patrol force was 'Snow White and the seven dwarfs'.
During the day, the force anchored in Plymouth Sound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Sound), as air defence of Plymouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth). At dusk, under cover of darkness and maintaining radio and radar silence, the force would proceed at full speed to the French coast to keep the German Narvik class destroyers bottled up in Brest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_France). The force would return to Plymouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth) by daylight. By day, the Royal Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force) would patrol the Channel and, by night, Plymouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth).

On D-day, Bellona's'duty was to help to support Omaha Beach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha_Beach), the American sector. The American battleships USS Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Texas_(BB-35)) and USS Arkansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Arkansas_(BB-33)) were also there. As the army advanced, Bellona fired her guns well inshore at targets spotted by aircraft and forward observation officers off shore. On several occasions Bellona returned to Plymouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth) to get more ammunition and change the gun barrels because of wear. At night Bellona went close inshore and did the night firings.
In July 1944, Bellona covered the carrier raids against the German battleship Tirpitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Tirpitz), but the following month was back in the Channel, attacking German convoy traffic in the Bay of Biscay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Biscay) and off the Brittany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany) coast.
Bellona returned to northern waters for the remainder of the war, on Arctic convoys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_convoys), carrier and cruiser sweeps along the Norwegian coastline, before arriving in Copenhagen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen) at the German surrender in May 1945.
After the war she was part of the 10th Cruiser Squadron until 1946, when she was loaned to the Royal New Zealand Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_New_Zealand_Navy).

Mad Scientist
03-01-2011, 11:04 PM
The RNZN 'multi-ship mutiny' is something I'd never heard about, until now. The RCN had a series of relatively minor 'work refusals' in the years after the war, too.
In Canada, a major cause was friction between officers who had been in the RN, or had trained in the U.K., and the lower-deckers. The RN's 'class system' didn't work in Canada, which was a relatively egalitarian society.
IMHO, the Halifax VE-Day riot was the first indication that the Navy leadership was disastrously out of touch with the lower deck.


John B
03-02-2011, 05:45 PM
I'd never heard of it either MS.

My interest is more that its a place we often use when we're out there ,and its always such a cool thing to do. We usually try to make passage to there when we cruise over from town or Kawau island. 50 or 60 miles.
You approach through the islands and the passage itself doesn't reveal until you're quite close.. then you make a stbd turn through.
The old name is Governors pass but its more commonly known as Man o War passage.

In 1990 or so we sailed through there in Waione after a really rough and scary passage in very big seas. Slotted on through there in about 20-25 knots into the shelter of Fitzroy harbour. We hardened up for a bay out to our right and promptly dropped the whole rig in the tide. If it had happened anywhere around the passage or especially before it , we would have lost the boat, no doubt about it.
Even a year ago at the end of our christmas cruise, we had another close call when we blew the gearbox literally 100 metres of the pass after coming through. Quite some tide at times and I'd hate to be without power( sail or iron topsail) right there in it.
Fortunately the gearbox thing was at the end of our cruise anyway.. some friends towed us back out through there and we sailed home . Great sail ! and sailed onto the berth about 9pm that night on a waning breeze...

lots of little things connect us with that place.:D

yes, a few memories..
getting a tow in.


John B
03-02-2011, 06:06 PM
21 years later.. getting another tow back out through the passage this time.


03-02-2011, 08:30 PM
Mad Scientist, Are you in the mob too?