Elly Hauled Out

[Roger Stouff]

Our fellow forumite and friend Reddog (Earl) emailed me these photos he took of the Gilkersons Scandinavian koster Elly hauled out in Nova Scotia. I asked Earl for permission to post them and I hope he gives it to me, because I couldn't wait!

http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-009f.jpg
http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-008f.jpg
http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-007f.jpg
http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-006f.jpg
http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-005f.jpg
http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-004f.jpg
http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-003f.jpg
http://www.banner-tribune.com/ftos/elly/mvc-002f.jpg

I don't know what it is. I really don't. But I really LOVE this boat!

Thanks Earl. If you want me to pull this post, I will, but I hope you don't!

I also want to thanks the Gilkersons for allowing us to be a little intrusive over their lovely family boat. She's not only a beautiful craft and a legacy, but a family heirloom as well.

Best regards from the Rez,
R

[ 04-11-2002, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: Roger Stouff ]

[John B]

she's a dish for sure. I loved the comment in the article about why she is faster than he should be. The theory( if I recall correctly) being the clinker construction generates all those little bubbles and lessens skin friction and wetted surface.

[Dave Fleming]

Sweet, the only word to describe her,,,,,Sweet.

[Alan D. Hyde]

The thick strakes with their wide laps would seem to have a similar effect to Bertram's "step" hull, although with smaller more numerous steps.

The bubbles would be one result, and minimized slamming might be another.

Any road, she's a pretty girl...

Alan

[nedL]

Thanks Roger! I enjoyed the article in WB about "Elly" & its nice to see the extra pictures of her. I forget for certain, but doesn't she date to pretty well back in the 1800's?

[Wild Dingo]

You know your one sick puppy doncha old Rez Mate??? tongue.gif

Boat Porn!!! Yeeeeehaaaaa... Of course you know what that does to a fella doncha??? :eek:

Well at least its boat porn of the absolute best sort... shes a true gem is Elly :cool:

Thanks Roger old mate with similar tastes for posting them and to Earl for letting you... he did didnt he? oh well he will no worries even Earl likes boat porn! :D and thanks again to the Gilkersons for another lookee at their perty baby ;)

Take it easy
Shane

[Roger Stouff]

Well back, Ned. I don't have the article in front of me, but I want to say 1850s. She's been in the Gilkerson family for much of that time, I think, from about 1890s, I believe.

Shane, it's all your fault, anyway. You're the one who pointed her out to me and started me on this road of obsession! smile.gif

Best,
R

[mmd]

Without checking my notes, but relying solely on my memory (now that's scary!) of chats with Bill, I recall that he told me the earliest documentation of the boat was a bill of sale dated 1872, but it was not from the builder so the boat was extant some time before that. "Built prior to 1872" would be the appropriate term. She was deemed too old for the commercial fishing fleet and was sold out of service and into Bill's wife's family in southern Sweden in 1899. Bill acquired her in 1972, I believe, and brought her to the New World at that time.

[htom]

Mmmmmmm. [trying hard not to step on my tongue.]

Oh my Lord.

There's your next year of covers, folks. Sales will go through the roof!

[Roger Stouff]

I was close, Mr. Mason! smile.gif

I have the same problem with my tongue, Htom!

[Dave R]

Ahh...sweet. Thanks Roger and Reddog and the Gilkersons.

I keep pulling out that issue just to drool.

[reddog]

Thanks Roger;
They didn't turn out too badly.She looks even better in the water.
Earl

[TomRobb]

And nearly perfect with the Viking Goddess at the helm ;)

[mmd]

You fellers ought to see some of the paintings Bill has done of Elly. I have been fortunate enough to be a guest in his studio/gallery on several occasions and each time it takes my breath away. He's a superb marine artist - if you get a chance, buy some of his prints (or commission an original if your pockets are deep). They are certainly highest quality boat porn.

[Wild Dingo]

VIKING GODESS???? :eek: :eek:

What did I miss??? where????... You mean theres someone on the lovely Elly?? :confused:

Man I think I got this worse that I thought!!! I cant see anyone onboard her!! let alone a viking godess! :mad:

Help!!

I gotta get me some new glasses if Im not seein gorgeous viking godesses then Im in deep doodoos!!

Chris had better hurry up and post some pics of Etain real quick smart! :cool:

Of course you could always take some really good pictures of them and make them into posters for us who are unlikely to see them in a gallery?????

Take it easy
Shane

[ 04-12-2002, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[mmd]

I did a quick Google search to see if any of Bill's "Elly" portraits are out there on the 'net, but alas, none popped up. I did find a link that had one of his paintings of the "Picton Castle", which is a steel barque that operates out of Lunenburg doing pay-as-you-go adventure global circumnavigations (go to www.stinehourpress.com/poster.htm (http://www.stinehourpress.com/poster.htm) and scroll to the bottom). The painting is of her leaving the mouth of the Lahave River (near my home) at the start of a voyage to Bermuda in 2000. She had been upriver at Snyder's Shipyard in Dayspring for some deck work. Sure wish I could abandon everything and take a year off to join her crew.

[TomRobb]

Shane, the Viking Goddess is at the helm in the pix in WB a few months ago, not these pix. Sorry, I had no idea this would be so upsetting :rolleyes:

[Bill Perkins]

I've got to pull this beauty back up ,I was out of town last week and just discovered this . Thanks again Earl and Roger .

[brian.cunningham]

shore is purdy smile.gif

[Meerkat]

Please do not arouse the Wild Dingo - he's already got the kangaroo disease.

[Wild Dingo]

Originally posted by meerkat:
Please do not arouse the Wild Dingo - he's already got the kangaroo disease.WHOS AROUSED??? :eek: What do you know that I dont?? :rolleyes: ... GET OUTTA MY COMPUTER meerkat!! :mad: :D

"Kangaroo disease"???... Am getting seriassly confused here mates!!! :confused:

Take it easy
Shane

[Cecil Nickerson]

Roger, Roger, Roger. I was content with building a dory in traditional materials this summer and an Oughtred daysailer over the next year (or more) with the grossebootte being saved for my early retirement to the west coast. I can't get Elly out of my mind since the article — now this. I don't know what to say except that I've been compelled to e-mail some guy called mason for info on the plans. If I have to start attending a 12-step program linked to douglas fir and white oak, it's on your head.

Cecil

[Roger Stouff]

Cecil,
Welcome to the Elly Society. We're moaning together Saturday night, care to join us?
smile.gif
R

[Sam F]

Thanks for posting those photos Roger. You filled in the missing parts from the WB article. That is one easy boat to fall in love with.

[Wild Dingo]

Okay who let the nuts outta the asylum??? mmmmm? first meerkat gets loose in my computer saying Im aroused!! then Cecil has become confuised and lookee there Rog has gone and got to moanin!!! :rolleyes:

Elly is a boat!!!!!! beautiful no doubt but a boat none the less... Aroused over a boat?????? AROUSED????.... confused over a boat?..... mmm okay I can let that go I think!... moanin on a Saturday night?? AROUSED AND MOANING???? :eek:

mmmmmmm I will put my "smart" thinking cap upon me curly headed noggin and look into this problem... EUREKA!!!... The answer to this particular conundrum is... I think the sexual dysfunction relative to woodenboat addiction factor has just kicked in! Actually this is a very profound and curious side affect of this addiction... sufferers can be most often found glued to their computer screens surfin all the boatporn sites or else cruisin the marinas drooling all over woodenbrightwork or even if they have them nearby they can be found most often peerin around doorways into boatsheds and other places known to construct or store woodenboats...

Anyone suffering the ravages are prone to be seen dancing a wild eyed mad hatter jig at the sight of a firm rounded transom excessive drool will be seen at a passing sketch of some exquisite lines and the mess they make can be quite attrocious when someone even themselves post photographs of boatporn...

Classic cases of SDRWBAF are exemplified by Roger above who has classic syptoms of drooling over catboats and schooners along with a terrible fixation with Ellys...

I on the other hand have no such problem :cool: ... I can stop this any time I choose... I just know I can tongue.gif ... no worries... errrr... can someone please explain why my computer has 55 separate windows open showing various boat forums boatporn sites brokers sites builders sites... I do not have a problem! I am not a woodenboat addict... I am not... I can contol this drooling... I just know I can... I think... maybe... could be... I have no woodenboat addiction honest! :rolleyes:

I think maybe it is time to be worried!!!..... AROUSED AND MOANING??????? :eek:

Take it easy
Shane

[Bill Dodson]

Shane, I think that about sums it up :D

[Roger Stouff]

Yup, sums it up nicely.
But what a lady she is, eh? ;)

[Wild Dingo]

Decided that Elly needed to be pushed back up for a tic or two! :D

Michael... could you check your emails from me mate?! Im sending a couple of questions for you! :cool:

[martin schulz]

Well seeing the hull out of the water the newest construction of the Flensburg Museum Boatyard makes sense. Smaller but definetely with the same heritage.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid55/p90a9cd9c40ea27853a7c4acac8c76053/fc7c712a.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/pad90c7add65cadd470d5afcf22cae4d6/fc74a7ea.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/pdf0e846c95608b274b904977330709d2/fc74a7e8.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/p880a6640f4220684a73e9a53325f0d29/fc74a7e7.jpg

...by the way Roger - did you get informations, drawings or pictures from Gustav, the guy who took the lines from that old rotten boat on which this boat was built?

[ 04-17-2003, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[Wild Dingo]

Hes doin a fine job isnt he Martin?! :cool:

And nope I havent heard from Gustav at all... was he meant to contact me?? damn memorys like a flamin sieve lately!

Loved the mags mate thanks!... now I gotta get me a german to english translation thingy!! :D but the boats!! aahhh the boats :cool:

[reddog]

Martin
You can definitely see the linage in those photos.Fine looking craft.
Dingo:The Elly is still snugged away at Bill's Boatshop,under her winter cover.
Earl

[Wild Dingo]

I am in total flamin awe of the fine boats in you two fellas regions!!

And you are dead right about the similarities Earl.. now if I could just remember what it was that Martin is sayin Gustav was meant to send me Id be a tad happier!... beautiful craft utterly beautiful :cool:

So is the snow still thick on the ground up there Earl? or has the thaw started? funny I really cant imagine that sort of weather you fellas have... anyways no worries! ;)

[ 04-17-2003, 06:09 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Ken Hutchins]

Real Purdy smile.gif ;)

[Roger Stouff]

Martin, no, I didn't. I didn't want to pester. smile.gif

[Wild Dingo]

We are often too polite eh Roger! ;)

I know Ive got a boat like her in me future somewhere so maybe we should pester??? :eek:

Now Martin... ol mate... ol pal... ol buddy... this fella Gustav... I mean mate... thats a fine lookin boat hes buildin... and well... eeerrr redface.gif

sigh... as I said too polite for our own good sometimes! :rolleyes:

[brian.cunningham]

D R smile.gif smile.gif L!

[ 04-18-2003, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: brian.cunningham ]

[capt jake]

Brian, is that slang for DROOL!!! ? as I am having a hrd time typing over the drrooll,,

dam,n pretty boat! smile.gif Now get me a towel... j,sjkj lsk dangit! mlksjkk,.../

[reddog]

Dingo:
The snow is mostly gone but it is still cold at night,(-8 C last eve).
I don't imagine The Elly will be in the water for a while yet.I believe boatbuilder Bill was planning to do some work on her.
You all have a pleasant Easter break and good luck with the trees.I'm off to help a friend with some fencing.
Earl

[Venchka]

Only slightly off topic, using ELLY as a good example. Look at her pictures carefully. I know that's tough, but try.

I am having a double ended boat with outboard rudder built. Iain Oughtred's Caledonia Yawl to be exact.

The question I have is navigation lights. I see ELLY has her port/starboard lights up in the rigging. Good location.

Now, where the HECK do you put and what the HECK do you use for a stern light? An enquiring mind wants to know. :confused:

[brian.cunningham]

Originally posted by capt jake:
Brian, is that slang for DROOL!!! ? as I am having a hrd time typing over the drrooll,,

dam,n pretty boat! smile.gif Now get me a towel... j,sjkj lsk dangit! mlksjkk,.../LOL yes!

[martin schulz]

Roger and Shane!

I talked to Gustav yesterday while he was trying to row the boat I posted above. After some talking about the construction (that one has apparently U-shaped ribs, while the drawings he made from the wreck were Y-shaped at the bottom) he promised me he would send rolls with 1:10 drawings to anybody anywhere if only those people interessted in the plans would pay for the mail.

So, how about it?

[mmd]

Re: Elly's stern light.

Note on the picture below that there are two D-shaped sockets mounted on the stbd rudder cheek. In the daytime, Bill flies a flag on a flagstaff that slips into these sockets. At dusk the flag is shipped, stowed in the lazarette, and replaced with a lamp standard. The 12v lamp has a cord that is laid across the short after-deck and plugs into a waterproof socket under the lip of the cockpit coaming.

Simple, elegant, legal.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/pd7b2eced97d4d6e5c21ab5e43472ea49/fc4aa77c.jpg

[Venchka]

MMD,

Thanks! I must have been reading someone's mind becasue a staff on the rudder cheek is what I was thinking. Now I just have to figure out if I want a 12v battery aboard, a flashlight stern light or oil lamp.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....a similar post forward and two small 12v batteries, one in the forward locker and one in the stern locker. I have seen a 12v, 19 AH AGM battery in a catalog. How long would one of those power a standard bi-color bow or white stern light? Electricity is not my strongest field.

[John Gearing]

Martin,
Do those plans include a table of offsets or would one have to scale those off the lines plan?

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Venchka:
How long would one of those power a standard bi-color bow or white stern light? Electricity is not my strongest field.I'm going to take a stab at this.

12v, 19AH battery

5w nav. light drawing 0.42 amps

Assume 50% draw down on battery.

19/2=9.5AH

9.5/0.42=22.6 hours

Now assume that I am 100% off or I want a 2:1 safety margin, I could run a 5w bicolor lamp for 11+ hours on a fully charged 19AH battery.

Right? Wrong?

[htom]

P=IE (power = current * voltage), battery drain bounded by 10% of amp-hour capacity, looks reasonable (you're using a separate battery for the stern lamp, I assume.)

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by John Gearing:
Martin,
Do those plans include a table of offsets or would one have to scale those off the lines plan?I don't exactly know what you mean, but just let me tell the whole story.

Gustav is a guy loosely affiliated with the Museumharbour and the Museum Boatyard in Flensburg. He has been interested in old wooden boats for quite a while (who can blame him). Last year he followed the hint of a fisherman and "discovered" a discarded boat under a pile of junk on the "Ochseninseln" (Ox-island - 2 small danish islands in the Flensburg Bay across from the best place to get danish HotDogs smile.gif ). He dragged the wreck back to Flensburg to have it restored. Looking closely at it he found out that there is no chance to save the boat. He then talked with the Museum Boatyard and they decided on totally re-building the boat. Gustav then constructed a "device" made of laths to take the lines of the clinkered-hull and thereby the shape of the ribs. together with all the other measurements and with consulting the antique drawings the Boatyard has in their archive he came up with all the lines the boatbuilders need to build the boat. He also found out that some "designs" on the boat probably have been added by previous owners and were not original, such as the upper added planking and the half closed deck to fit in a small cabin.

The Museum Boatyard then built the boat, as usually starting with the keel. Then there has been some misunderstandings. The Boatyard decided to have the lower ribs close to the keel formed like an U instead of having it Y-shaped. that way they didn't have to use a steambox to bend the planks and it also came closer to the designs they have in their archives. Gustav decided he wanted to have the boat exactly as the old one and so right now a new keel is fixed and there will be another boat. The pictures I posted above show the first "replica", the one Gustav was not satisfied with.

My part in this is quite unspectacular. I read the WB with the Elly article and later saw Roger posting about it. He was so very much fascinated with the boat that I wrote him that those type of boats are quite common over here and that this one chap (Gustav) is trying to rebuild a similar boat. I also promised Roger to sent some photos and perhaps some drawings. As the boatbuilding process developed I thought it might be a better idea if Gustav himself was to write Roger the promised e-mail and I asked him to do it. Apparently he didn't. And so last weekend I saw Gustav rowing in the finished "wrong" boat and asked him if he would sent plans/drawings to the US or Australia (looks like the Dingo is on the hook as well). He said he would, if the people would pay for the copying-costs and the postage.

That's it - I hope the whole story is not too long and somebody reads it.

[mmd]

That story is vaguely familiar, Martin. There are resonances of how I became the keeper of technical information for Elly in your tale. smile.gif

[Wild Dingo]

Michael... the staunch erstwhile keeper of Ellys fuller figure!! :D

Martin... read and email on the way! :cool: mmmmm Gustav does speak and write english right? :eek: I mean I can understand english pretty good I think :cool: ... but German?... Im sorry but Im totally buggared with that one of yours mate :( ... I mean Ive looked those magazines upside down round about and even held them to a blue light in the hope there some secret to decipherin the lingo on the pages mate... but nope cant be done by this little black duck my friend :rolleyes: ...So he does write and speak English doesnt he? I mean Aussie would be better of course but well its such an obscure lingo is Aussie that Id settle on English no worries ;)

[mmd]

Shane - did you get my e-mail re: Elly planking thickness, or do I have the wrong e-mail address for you? Blast an e-mail to me, OK?

[Roger Stouff]

Martin:

Thanks for all your effort! You're most kind.

What's the length of the Gustav boat? Is it row only? And what do you imagine the cost would be for copies?

I think I understand that the intent is not so much to built the craft at the museum, but get a more general idea of Elly's construction details, combined with the offsets Michael has so generously provided. Am I correct?

Best,
R

[Matt Middleton]

Just curious- at this point, how much of Elly's technical info is available? Does a lines plan exist, and is that all? Where would one obtain the info? MMD?

Thanks,
Matt

[Wild Dingo]

Matt the information supplied by Michael in the study plans include... 3 sheets... lines offsets sail plan... and its bloody brilliant... I just want more before I commit! :D

Its been said by someone who I cant remember their name at this moment :rolleyes: when he first sent them out that there is enough to build by... Im sure there is... what with the amount of photographs available one could possibly have a good whack at it.

Unfortunatly the cost of Michael doing the full plans was not validated by confirmed interest shown previously when offered... to keep the cost down to an affordable amount more people would need to have shoved their hands in the air than what did back then... the time effort and away from his business paying work to get the plans drawn and done right meant the cost was necessarily high and it was hoped by all at the time that enough people would be interested to purchase full plans to enable him to recoup costs but this didnt occur...

me I just keep annoyin him with me questions and makin him take wee detours out to see her every now and then to let me know how shes going! :D

Heres the study plans framed and on the wall as well they deserve while waitin for me to get me wood dry enough to use and for Michael to get me more info!! :D :cool:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p61b36bd5dd1015e33c9bd59b91fd5d98/fc47e7b5.jpg

and...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p20b91173eb96d8fc0d71f0099160a04c/fc47e7b9.jpg

If you go to the album and click the photo its a bit larger and a tad sorta clearer... okay Ive updated the photo and added another to give a bit more clarity to Michaels work...

And Michael having spoken in the interim take note of what he says below mate!! :cool:

[ 04-24-2003, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[mmd]

Matt: Elly's owner, Bill Gilkerson, wrote an article on Elly's history for WoodenBoat magazine two tears ago and approached me to measure the hull and rig in order to produce accurate drawings to illustrate the article. I did so, and have created measured drawings of the linesplan (with table of offsets) and sailpan. It is these drawings that I have made available to people who are interested in the vessel. These should not be
considered as builder's drawings, but historical records. No doubt that a builder well-versed in Koster-type construction of the late 1800's could
produce a vessel from the drawings, but that was not their intent. If you are interested in a copy of the drawings, contact me at the e-mail address in my profile to discuss details.

[martin schulz]

Just some things I would like to mention.

Elly is of course a very good looking very nice boat. As far as I remember she was built as fishing-vessel without engine which is obvious since back then there was hardly any private yachting.

But then whereas the boat is something special because of it's history and the family bonds the boattype itself is not.

I would recommend to any one seriously interested in building that type of boat to first appraoch the boatbuilding the usual way.
1. What Size do I want to have
2. What will I use the boat for (Daysailing, cruising, rowing and sailing, fishing...)
3. What kind of water will the boat be in (rough ocean, quiet lakes, rivers, shallow water...)
4. ...

Of course a lot also depends on motivation. And if there is a strong motivation, like a fancy for Elly it will definetely help in the boatbuiling process. If that is the case, if you really want to build a boat that is from a different cultural background, than I would recommend getting proper plans to build. There is a maritime archive in Denmark that has drawings of every conceivable traditional fishing boat ever built. And then there is the Flensburg Museum Boatyard that manufacture traditional skandinavian boats out of commitment such as Gustav' boat.

Roger
If you look closely (as Shane did, who "terrorised" ;) me with mails - although he hasn't answerd my last response) you will see that there are metal-bonds already installed to fix Mast and Jib-boom. Those boats, in Denmark they are called Smakke (because the square sized sails are nicknamed Smakke, but there is also a broad variety of alike looking boats that don't have Smakke sails but are named Smakke or do have Smakke sails but are named with a local name - such as Sjekte, Shekte, Snekker...) are usually sailed with spritsails. I bet that Elly had the same set of sails if not a boomless Gaff-sail. Fisherman didn't like booms hindering their work. To give you an idea here are some pics of the usual set of sails.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/p4144ea9bd4181195cbc56ea2c3ef8eb0/fc72be2d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/pf7db0cdfaca1f32064a75a64d3c07e28/fc72be28.jpg

...unfortunately there is no jib on the picture but the boom is there.

If you want to do some research just enter those names (Smakke, Sjekte, Snekker) and you will find lots of stuff - by the way I always think that danish is very similar to english (probably because England was ruled by Danes for centuries)

[Wild Dingo]

Originally posted by martin schulz:
If you look closely (as Shane did, who "terrorised" ;) me with mails - although he hasn't answerd my last response) Ooohh yeah??... me? "terrorised" you??? :eek: nah! :rolleyes: ...mmmmm then again I do have this weird habit of sorta getting cheeky at times mmmmm ah buggar it! hang on a tic mate... ah ye be a cruel taskmaster Martin me ol matey I see ye were right and I havent as yet responded! :D ...get ye ready for the next "terrorised" email session!! :eek:

Actually the only ones I have with plans for sale are...

Axel Gustafsson (http://surf.to/boat.design/)

and

Bertil Andersson (http://hem.passagen.se/bertil.andersson/?noframe)

And neither has anything of the size of Elly at some 30ft loa she outsized anything they had by some 10ft although they do have some fine designs and the prices are pretty good! :cool:

But for now I shall away and rest me soggy mushpacket for the onslaught of terrorised emails from moi that Martin is in dire need for on the morrow! tongue.gif

I must say though... like Michael youve handled my terrorism tactics rather well and fully blown me out of the picture with your responses... so thanks to both of you!! :cool:

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:

And neither has anything of the size of Elly at some 30ft loa she outsized anything they had by some 10ft although they do have some fine designs and the prices are pretty good! Ok - if you guys are actually looking for a cruiser-type of boat that is built on traditional lines you might as well turn to a historic non-clinker boat which historically also is a typical fishing-boat.

http://www.ebbe-marstal.de/Deutch/images/lachs32.gif
http://www.ebbe-marstal.de/Deutch/images/lachs40.gif
http://www.ebbe-marstal.de/Deutch/images/lachs117774.gif

...or just take a look at Ebbe's traditional Boatyard (look for "Bornholmer Lachskutter - Bornholm is an island and a Lachskutter is a Salmoncutter):
Ebbe's Boatyard (http://www.ebbe-marstal.de)

Just to give you an impression of what Ebbe is able to do have a look at this boat, which lies in the Flensburg Museumharbour. Ebbe also did a lot of repairs and refitting on boats in the Museumharbour. Here a pic of the Zwei Schwestern (2 sisters - the boat is based on a 18th century "Danske Jagt" which was called 3 brothers).

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/pf6329d88a292e36041d62c3c9dc0cb7a/fc46c57e.jpg

[Wild Dingo]

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh ye be one cruel capn thar Martin!!! :eek:

MATE!!!! translation PLEASE!!

of what you say?... EVERYTHING!!! :rolleyes:

oohh wow lookit that I found it!! AMAZING!! :D :cool:

But mate whats it all mean????


Lachskutter

Schiffbaumeister Eccart C. Benzon gehörte zu den tüchtigsten und fähigsten Bootskonstrukteuren des 18. Jahrhunderts in Dänemark. Aus seiner Werkstatt kamen erstklassige Yachten und hervorragende Fischereifahrzeuge.

Der ursprüngliche Riss von 1867 für einen Bornholmer Lachskutter aus der Hand von Benzon ist Vorbild gewesen für unsere Produktion von 36 Fuss-Segelyachten. Die Boote sind sehr gute und sehr schnelle Segler:
Unsere "GERDA" hat zahlreiche Siege bei Gaffelsegler-Regatten in Dänemark und Deutschland errungen.

Der Lachskutter ist traditionell in Lärche auf Eiche gebaut, mit einem Gaffelrigg als Jagtrigg oder Galeass-Rigg mit Pfahlmasten. Einrichtung und Ausbau nach Wunsch.


Lachskutter "Ingeborg":

Länge: 11,55 m
Breite: 3,90 m
Gesamtsegelfläche: 90 m²
Tiefgang: 1,85 m
Bleiballast: 2,4 t
Verdrängung: 11 t

Okay okay so heres the Dingos interpretation :rolleyes:

Lachskutter = Lake cutter

Para 1... nope

Para 2... "1867"? This Id take as a date of first build or design... "Produktion von 36 Fuss-Segelyachten" = Production of 36 ???? yachts and ??? about a "Regatten" = Regatta in "Dänemark" = Denmark "und" = and "Deutschland" = Germany

Para 3... "Der Lachskutter ist traditionell" = The Lake Cutter is traditional "mit einem Gaffelrigg" = with ?? gaff rig

Para 4...

Länge: 11,55 m = Length: 11.55mtrs
Breite: 3,90 m = Beam: 3.90mtrs
Gesamtsegelfläche: 90 m² = ??
Tiefgang: 1,85 m = ??
Bleiballast: 2,4 t = Ballast 2.4t Im guessing internal ballast?
Verdrängung: 11 t = this could be overall weight: 11t

http://www.ebbe-marstal.de/Deutch/images/lachs117774.gif

Howd I do Martin??? :cool: or what!! :D

[martin schulz]

"Lachskutter" (Lachs=Salmon, remember those boats were fishing-boats)

Boatbuilding Master Eccart C. Benzon was known as one of the most able and experienced Boat construction Masters in 18th century Denmark. From his Boatyard firstclass Yachts as well as exceeding boats for fishing emerged.

The original drawing from 1867 devised for a „Bornholm Salmoncutter“ sketched by Benzon was the model for our production of 36ft Yachts. These boats are stable and very fast sailing boats. Our „Gerda“ has already won several races on Gaff-Sailing regattas in Denmark as well as in Germany.

The Salmoncutter is build traditionally with larch on oak, equipped with a Gaff-rig either as „Jagtrigg“ (cutter) or as „Galeas-rigg“ (ketch) having polemasts.
Interior design and installation at buyers option.

As example Lachskutter „Ingeborg“
Length: 11,55m
Beam: 3,90
Total sail-area: 90m2
Draft: 1,85
Lead-ballast: 2,4tn
Displacement: 11tn

And to wet your appetite her is the 1957 build "Lachskutter" Vaar which lies in the Museumharbour:

http://www.tallship-fan.de/images/segl268a.jpg

[Wild Dingo]

Whooooeeee!! I was flamin close!! HA! :cool: not bad for the boy from the bush only conversant in Aussie! :D :D