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John B
02-02-2011, 05:23 PM
My Dads old webley senior air pistol has lived in a box for the last 40 years, I managed to find a replacement main spring and fit that and it shoots its 177 slugs ok now. Seems a nicely made little unit.
The question is this . Its old blue steel with some very light rust specs showing on the metal.. how do I best get those off without ruining the blueing.
pic from the net of the airgun.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPWCrgxyYrrSjFUUZmrFF5S6nPbgInp ZJrja9OwOEJXm_Y9fH9

John B
02-02-2011, 05:27 PM
Whats CLR Donn?

John B
02-02-2011, 05:53 PM
I don't think we have that here, but we do have various rustkilling treatments ... the brand that springs to mind is genolite. A clear liquid,You wipe or brush it on, it eats the rust , you wash off with water..... Only it tends to turn metal to a flat silver sort of finish. I want to keep the blue/ black appearance of the original. I suppose logically the rust that shows is appearing from scratches and general wear and tear on the metal.

Phillip Allen
02-02-2011, 06:00 PM
don't try to remove it...just prevent it from spreading
a lot of that rust removing stuff will cut the blue right off...blue is just a form of rust...I forget which...Fe3O4 or Fe2O3...doesn't matter...just prevent it from getting worse is all you need to do

John B
02-02-2011, 06:21 PM
Thanks Donn and Phillip...I'll take some photos and ask your advice again when you've seen them. It's not bad .. the thing has just lived wrapped in a rag ( with not enough oil)in a box and I guess ambient humidity has done some minor damage.

tongaboy
02-02-2011, 06:27 PM
What about a little rebuild after the touchup...:D.1329

Ian McColgin
02-02-2011, 06:30 PM
I donno. How'd you look before?

Phillip Allen
02-02-2011, 06:34 PM
What about a little rebuild after the touchup...:D.1329

classic Britt thinking...

Shang
02-02-2011, 06:40 PM
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPWCrgxyYrrSjFUUZmrFF5S6nPbgInp ZJrja9OwOEJXm_Y9fH9

Hey, I've got one like that!
Anybody know what it might be worth?
Am I sitting on a fortune? (I think that was one of Mae West's lines, wasn't it?)

John B
02-02-2011, 06:43 PM
$200 NZ maybe so $150 ish... not a lot really. Its sentimental value for me although as I said , its very nicely made.

John B
02-02-2011, 06:56 PM
Interesting... I did a search and came across this 2009 post


Blue Book Value for Webley Senior (5th - 2005 edition)

March 30 2009, 8:14 PM
Here's what I found...

Webley Senior Pistol Post WWII (name on Grips)Made 1935-1964

.177 or .22 416fps/330fps

Value

95% --> $275
90% --> $225
80% --> $175
60% --> $125
40% --> $65

Add 30% for original nickel plating
Add 5% unmarked rear breech cap
Add 30% for extra long target barrel




Nickel plating? I thought that would be a silver colour.. these things are black or black slight blue.

George Jung
02-02-2011, 06:57 PM
It looks vaguely like a Crossman 600 pistol; I've got one in the original box. Quite collectible, and going up in value.

Canoeyawl
02-02-2011, 07:05 PM
Long barrel version

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Images/Subscriptions/Air/WebleyMKIIIV1049a0017.jpg

John B
02-02-2011, 08:32 PM
Donn, the 2005 reference is for the book that values them. They were made from 1935 to 1964 but the earlier ones have a more vertical grip like canoe's photo ( AFAIK) . I think that the vertical grip model was about 1925 or so on to 35 and then the style changed to the raked handle like mine.
I expect mine is circa 1960 or so.

oldsub86
02-02-2011, 08:59 PM
We have one too. Nice old thing. Had no idea it was worth anything. No matter, as we would not sell it anyway.

Randy

Stan D
02-02-2011, 10:02 PM
I have one as well. My Mom used to shoot cats in the a$$ with it to keep them away from the bird feeder.

Just remember, when you cock it, put your hand lower on the barrel, towards the "business" end. The higher you grab it, the more chance you have of bending the barrel.

John B
02-03-2011, 12:24 AM
Here we go.....


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/misc%202011/IMG_8889_1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/misc%202011/IMG_8892_3.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/misc%202011/IMG_8890_2.jpg

Phillip Allen
02-03-2011, 12:29 AM
use light oil to rub it (with oily cloth)...the blue won't come back but it is fine anyway.
all I"d do is prevent it from getting worse...be happy

there are products that are good to use but I don't know what is sold in your location

varadero
02-03-2011, 02:44 AM
Hey! I had one of those when I was 12 years old. it was quite powerfull for a pistol, I wish I still had it now.:(

Andrew Craig-Bennett
02-03-2011, 04:43 AM
I have a Junior, as the squirrels robbing the bird table have found out. Webleys are altogether nice guns with the exception of some (not all) of their recent airguns which are imports.

I recommend this book, available from Amazon (when its back in print - currently reprinting):

It covers the Webley Senior in some detail and has clear recommendations on blueing etc. An altogther well written book. Being a British book it may be nearer NZ practice than some US books.


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6119Dl0P5pL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Rifle-Pistol-Maintenance-Repair/dp/0955313104/ref=pd_ys_iyr12

Larks
02-03-2011, 05:13 AM
John, I admit that I haven't read everyones posts here, but reblue it. It's easy and worth the effort, I used to do it when I was about 12 years old. I collected all sorts of old guns and did them up, rebluing was the easiest bit. You should be able to find rebluing kits at any of the sports shops in NZ that sell guns. Here's an example:
http://www.magnumsports.com.au/product.php?productid=16701

http://westernfirearms.com.au/cleaning-gun-care-wood-metal-care-bluing-complete-perma-paste-gun-blue-kit-p-2675.html?osCsid=4sb2asoh0cemgim58novb1bs86

they may not be what the profesionals would use but it would be all you'd need for that to restore and protect it, then just keep it oiled with a light oil.

Phillip Allen
02-03-2011, 06:33 AM
John, I admit that I haven't read everyones posts here, but reblue it. It's easy and worth the effort, I used to do it when I was about 12 years old. I collected all sorts of old guns and did them up, rebluing was the easiest bit. You should be able to find rebluing kits at any of the sports shops in NZ that sell guns. Here's an example:
http://www.magnumsports.com.au/product.php?productid=16701

http://westernfirearms.com.au/cleaning-gun-care-wood-metal-care-bluing-complete-perma-paste-gun-blue-kit-p-2675.html?osCsid=4sb2asoh0cemgim58novb1bs86

they may not be what the profesionals would use but it would be all you'd need for that to restore and protect it, then just keep it oiled with a light oil.

it will cease to be original and cut the value in half...and cold blue is NOT hot bath blue)

Larks
02-03-2011, 06:40 AM
it will cease to be original and cut the value in half...and cold blue is NOT hot bath blue)

The $$ value hardly seems a value worth worrying about, as John said he's more interested in the sentimental value and this would seem a reasonable and accessible way of cleaning it of rust and protecting it.

Phillip Allen
02-03-2011, 06:46 AM
re bluing requires re polishing...the letters stamped into it at various places will be at least partially lost. the cold blue is MUCH less permanent and not compatible with the original hot bath blue (it will remove the original, chemically). Professional polishing requires a lot of very expensive equipment as well as a several year apprenticeship to learn and then natural skill.

I did the same sort of stuff at 12 years old...but I was 12 and didn't know any better...I learned better

leave it alone...it doesn't HAVE to be new to be an old air pistol

Iceboy
02-03-2011, 07:46 AM
Phillip has it right. Do not reblue it. A light film of quality oil is all it needs. Rebluing will decrease its value and if you don't know how to hot blue you will end up with a crappy mottled finish. Oil it and use it. Wipe it off and keep it dry.

Zane Lewis
02-04-2011, 03:53 AM
Hi John,
I'm with the leave it alone and just light oil it side. I have a Mid 80's webley 177 and thats all I do even after a few boat trips.
Zane