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Bob Smalser
11-26-2004, 02:31 PM

I don’t consider myself any great shakes as a turner, but I’ve used lathes occasionally.

Back in the late ‘50’s - early ‘60’s when I was the principle sweeper, plank holder, sharpener and gofer in my uncle’s boat yard, he had a graceful old Victorian wood lathe among his line shaft machines converted to electricity. I don’t remember the make, only that it didn’t get much use except for making a few tool handles and the occasional fancy thwart or folding table post…. and I was drawn to it, probably because it was the quietest machine inside the shed. I eventually succeeded in him showing me how to use it one rainy day, and I remember him having me hand hone his ancient lathe tools as the first step. Those tools were all dark-patina’d carbon steel, and I remember how smooth they cut when freshly honed.

During the following 30 years, I worked off and on in several large commercial shops with larger modern lathes and modern HSS tools…mostly Sorby. Most of the work was spindle turning paper-split half and quarter-round moldings for Colonial and Victorian furniture reproductions, and what I remember mostly was sanding. I don’t like sanding, or grinding tools for that matter, and I didn’t remember doing a lot of either with Uncle Paul’s old lathe.

So fast forward another decade, and I have my own newly-acquired lathe and the HSS tools that came with it….and I was back to sanding and grinding again. So why not try a few shop-made carbon tools, says I? The old chisels of Uncle Paul’s childhood are plentiful at the tool auctions and are dirt cheap to boot. So I convert a few using the traditional methods I was taught 40 years ago at the link below and try them:



The big inch-and-a-half roughing gouge ground to a 45-degree bevel easily fills its cannel with long, thick shavings.


The parting tool makes clean shavings in long noodles.


The flat scraper cuts so fast it buries itself in shavings….


…as do the fingernail gouges…


…and the skews take such fine whispers of wood decorating the tool rest that the starting point for finishing is now 100 or even 120 grit paper, cutting my sanding in half…


…and best of all, I’ll never have to grind these tools again, only touch them up on the fine novaculite stone occasionally as in the link above.

So seriously, why am I the only guy I know using old-fashioned carbon tools in preference to high-speed steel?

maa. melee
11-26-2004, 03:05 PM
Great work! Wow watch that sleeve! Well because I'm used to turning metals, long continuous chips can grab and hold on. It became a habbit to roll up sleeves and lose the wrist watch. Not so much for wood but I wouldn't have it any other way! smile.gif When I am turning wood or using chisels, I only use high carbon steel as opposed to HSS. When I make my chisels and turning tools I almost always use HCS. HCS is so much easier to 'machine' and then harden in an oven or furnace. Also HCS edges, in my opinion, last longer. HSS is great for metals, roughing wood and small, precise wood tools like burrs, gear cutters etc.

capt jake
11-26-2004, 11:05 PM
I have a fairly large collection of gouges and scrapers. One thing I have found, as you pointed out, quality matters! It matters a lot in this aplication. I am buying Sorby and another line from The Woodworkers Store exclusively lately. The cheapies just don't cut it!

I learned from a professional turner to polish the edge (after grinding)on a round of MDF (chucked onto a mandrel) with a polishing compound. WOW, it works great, not to mention the MDF is cheap or free. ;)

I have way more invested in tooling for the lathe than the lathe itself, but I guess I have done that with almost all of my tools. :rolleyes:

imported_Steven Bauer
11-26-2004, 11:31 PM
I bought an old scraper and an old skew chisel at Hulls Cove Tool Barn - now I've got to try them out. It seems like December is always a big turning month. Santa's Elves need all the help they can get. :D