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Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 11:16 AM
David Gergory on today's "Meet the Press'" gave Rep. Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader no rest. With an aggressive rapid fire approach Gregory moved Cantor along whenever he tried to fall back on buzzwords or slogans. The peak of Gregory's cross examination was his question about some Republican's belief the president was not a natural born US citizen. Gregory asked over and over if Cantor believed that. Cantor continued to smile but he was obviously interested in getting away without criticizing the "birthers" in his party. Gregory knew he had Cantor pinned down and he kept him there as long as time would allow.
Hats off to David Gregory. He looks like a legitimate successor to the late Tim Russert.

Paul Pless
01-23-2011, 11:22 AM
He looks like a legitimate successor to the late Tim Russert.i'm not sure its possible to fill those shoes

MiddleAgesMan
01-23-2011, 11:25 AM
Identifying falsehoods and their purveyors is one of the more important tasks taken on by serious journalists.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 11:26 AM
Well..that certainly is news. Gregory should be proud of himself for dwelling on one of the more pressing issues of the day.

Indeed.

The remarkable tenacity with which the Republican Party clings to all its lies is DEFINITELY 'one of the more pressing issues of the day'.

paladin
01-23-2011, 11:32 AM
Oh, darn...I thought it said "Eddie Cantor"...

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 11:32 AM
YOu may want to read up on the current mouthpieces on this issue.

This coming from a man who seems to swallow Republican lies just as fast as they can be told.

Gerarddm
01-23-2011, 11:36 AM
Well..that certainly is news. Gregory should be proud of himself for dwelling on one of the more pressing issues of the day.



It's the canary in the coal mine, Donn. If you can't get a reasonable response from a Republican leader on such an absurd 'issue', you won't get anything substantive from them on important ones either.

The mainstream media spent the Bush years on the sidelines. I hope this time around they stay en pointe.

perldog007
01-23-2011, 11:36 AM
I really don't care where the president was born, and don't think that rule makes much sense. Arnold agrees with me :D Having said that, the best way to discredit the birthers would be to stop spending taxpayer money to block the release of records any of us would have to let Uncle Sam see for a mere Top Secret clearance and publicly discredit the paranoid fringe by doing so.

But if you think wasting time by grilling a partisan on a partisan issue is a good way to go, then we will all have to respect that lest you get into your usual mode of ad hominem debate. So yeah, hat's off to whatshisname, bully for him. Huzzah and all that.

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 11:37 AM
Well..that certainly is news. Gregory should be proud of himself for dwelling on one of the more pressing issues of the day.

Your right! But if it was such a piss-ant issue why did Cantor suddenly act like he was facing a firing squad?
It was such good theater.

perldog007
01-23-2011, 11:39 AM
It's the canary in the coal mine, Donn. If you can't get a reasonable response from a Republican leader on such an absurd 'issue', you won't get anything substantive from them on important ones either.

The mainstream media spent the Bush years on the sidelines. I hope this time around they stay en pointe.

You're right, refusing to release your long form birth certificate and explaining by saying you can't run around with it on your forehead is a much more rational approach... FWIW, I think the pres has the goods, but won't release them just to keep the birthers alive and subject to ridicule. Such a productive use of time for both sides, no?

Bob Adams
01-23-2011, 11:43 AM
Sounds like he still has his head to me:

WASHINGTON – The new Republican House majority leader says he doesn't think questions about President Barack Obama's citizenship should play a role in the discussion of policy matters.
Two years into the Obama administration, so-called birthers continue to argue that Obama isn't a natural-born citizen and that he hasn't proved he's constitutionally qualified to be president. Birth records in Hawaii haven't dissuaded them.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor says he believes Obama is a citizen and that most Americans are beyond that question.
Appearing Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," Cantor refused to call people who question Obama's citizenship "crazy," saying it's not nice to call anyone crazy.
Cantor says he believes that Obama wants what's best for the country and that there are honest disagreements over how to achieve that.

rbgarr
01-23-2011, 11:44 AM
I thought Cantor did alright, but Gregory (who I'm not all that fond of either) put him on notice that to be really good leaders you have to come with genuine policies rather than vague generalities. He backpedalled off Paul Ryan's budget proposals pretty fast when pressed. Keeping options open is the politic thing to do, but not very inspiring... but that's not why they go on these shows anyway. They just want to a score points.

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 11:45 AM
Wow, Gregory is working hand in hand with the democrat governor of Hawaii that is having a so called slight problem with locating the original. How convenient, right out of the blue............If you ask me something smells funny at this point in time with the democrats and their stenographers in the press with their talking points from the white house these days.

Erster, I beg you, stick to boats. You are delight when you know what you are talking about. Political musings like the above make you look silly. If there was the slightest doubt concerning the president's birth the mega-billionaires in the Republican party would have moved heaven and earth to discover it.

Dr. Arthur Trollingson
01-23-2011, 11:58 AM
Why would a Republican need to pander to "birthers?" They won't loose them to the Dem's. Are they afraid they'll all vote Libertarian or Constitution Party, or something?

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 12:02 PM
Sounds like he still has his head to me:

WASHINGTON – The new Republican House majority leader says he doesn't think questions about President Barack Obama's citizenship should play a role in the discussion of policy matters.
Two years into the Obama administration, so-called birthers continue to argue that Obama isn't a natural-born citizen and that he hasn't proved he's constitutionally qualified to be president. Birth records in Hawaii haven't dissuaded them.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor says he believes Obama is a citizen and that most Americans are beyond that question.
Appearing Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," Cantor refused to call people who question Obama's citizenship "crazy," saying it's not nice to call anyone crazy.
Cantor says he believes that Obama wants what's best for the country and that there are honest disagreements over how to achieve that.

I saw the interview. Cantor was their to say "obamacare", "repeal", "the American people want", "cut spending", etc. as many times as possible in the time alloted. Only Gregory cut him off at the pass every time. Cantor had to fall back on that Republican chestnut "everything is on the table", every time Gregory asked for specifics about what the Republicans planned to cut to get to the $100 billion or so spending reduction.
Cantor did not look like he was there to defend his turf. He looked like he was more interested in not offending the Teabaggers and the other extremeists that his party depends on.
How about some attribution for the text you borrowed, Bob?

perldog007
01-23-2011, 12:05 PM
Erster, I beg you, stick to boats. You are delight when you know what you are talking about. Political musings like the above make you look silly. If there was the slightest doubt concerning the president's birth the mega-billionaires in the Republican party would have moved heaven and earth to discover it.

To quote Adam Sandler in his title role as "The Waterboy"
"No Mama, the search continues." One possible google.... (lawsuits to obtain Obama's birth, school, and other records)

The opponents of the President have spent a bundle trying to get not only the long form birth certificate, but school and passport records that the President has refused to release and spent considerable monies on attorneys to avoid releasing them.

My own take is that POTUS is legit, but keeping this controversy alive is nice stick to hit opponents with. What's more whacky than a birther? and guilt by association is a favorite propaganda trick. Whether by the right, left, or center.

perldog007
01-23-2011, 12:13 PM
Why would a Republican need to pander to "birthers?" They won't loose them to the Dem's. Are they afraid they'll all vote Libertarian or Constitution Party, or something?

I think there's a lot of fear in the republican party, ask our own Mike Castle who got trounced by a tea party "witch" with zero chance in the general election. To be honest, O'Donnell got more votes than I thought she would. Cantor has been on the hill for a while and IMO will be doing unicycle stunts wearing Chartreuse spandex if that's what it takes not to offend the tea party. The T.E.A. protest movement appears to have an affinity with the birthers, so i would speculate that yes, Cantor is wary of alienating them, lest he suffer Mike Castle's fate too.

I am not an expert on the inner workings of the republican party so the foregoing is just my best guess as an interested observer. If you can find it in the Washingtonmonthly.com postings that would make it a fact :D

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 12:14 PM
Cantor is the former Minority Whip and current Majority Leader of the House of Representatives.

He has a Bachelor of Arts from George Washington University, a Juris Doctor from William & Mary Law School and a Master of Science from Columbia.

One would think an intelligent journalist could find something more meaningful to question him about. Of course, Gregory isn't an intelligent journalist. He's a media ham who made his way to this position by being the most rude and unruly member of the White House Press Corps.

Russert must be rolling over in his grave. He was a serious journalist. Gregory is a sham.


YAHOO! I did it! I got Donn by the short hairs! You can tell because of the amount of text he ground out to try and counter me. Nine lines!
I don't care if Cantor got a letter of recommendation from The Almighty Himself. Gregory boxed him in. You could tell by the smile that was glued on Cantor's chops. He's showed his teeth but didn't seem able to bite into anything Gregory threw at him.

Bob Adams
01-23-2011, 01:00 PM
I saw the interview. Cantor was their to say "obamacare", "repeal", "the American people want", "cut spending", etc. as many times as possible in the time alloted. Only Gregory cut him off at the pass every time. Cantor had to fall back on that Republican chestnut "everything is on the table", every time Gregory asked for specifics about what the Republicans planned to cut to get to the $100 billion or so spending reduction.
Cantor did not look like he was there to defend his turf. He looked like he was more interested in not offending the Teabaggers and the other extremeists that his party depends on.
How about some attribution for the text you stole, Bob?

Um, sorry, I C&Ped from an AP blurb on Yahoo. Once again, I am sorry I added ANYTHING to the partisan horses!hit in the bilge.

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Um, sorry, I C&Ped from an AP blurb on Yahoo. Once again, I am sorry I added ANYTHING to the partisan horses!hit in the bilge.

"If you can't stand the heat.......etc".

Phillip Allen
01-23-2011, 02:01 PM
isn't "handing someone his head" a muslim thing or maybe leftwingnut violent rhetoric

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 02:21 PM
isn't "handing someone his head" a muslim thing or maybe leftwingnut violent rhetoric


He also had him "pinned down" post #1, " Facing a firing squad" post # 13, and " had him boxed him in" post #25 , but yanno it's OK if your a liberal to use violent rhetoric because they "mean well" and have everyone's best interest at heart. You know the ole double standard deal thing! LOL!

bobbys
01-23-2011, 02:53 PM
David Gergory on today's "Meet the Press'" gave Rep. Eric Cantor, House Majority Leader no rest. With an aggressive rapid fire approach Gregory moved Cantor along whenever he tried to fall back on buzzwords or slogans. The peak of Gregory's cross examination was his question about some Republican's belief the president was not a natural born US citizen. Gregory asked over and over if Cantor believed that. Cantor continued to smile but he was obviously interested in getting away without criticizing the "birthers" in his party. Gregory knew he had Cantor pinned down and he kept him there as long as time would allow.
Hats off to David Gregory. He looks like a legitimate successor to the late Tim Russert..

I watch Meet the press but the wife had chores for me this morn with a promise i could watch the games if completed to her satisfaction...

However without watching this and just reading what you wrote here i have to come up with that Mr Gregory was dragging a red herring in front of Mr Cantor, Mr Cantor has NEVER subscribed to a Birther movement as far as i know.

Red herring (fallacy) - Definition

Ignoratio elenchi (also known as irrelevant conclusion) is the logical fallacy (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Logical_fallacy) of presenting an argument that may in itself be valid (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Valid), but which proves or supports a different proposition than the one it is purporting to prove or support. "Ignoratio elenchi" can be roughly translated by ignoring the issue; "elenchi" is from the Greek ελεγχος, meaning an argument of disproof or refutation.
Aristotle (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Aristotle) believed that an ignoratio elenchi is a mistake made by a questioner while attempting to refute a respondent's argument. He called it an ignorance of what makes for a refutation.
Red herrings

When this logical fallacy is used in an attempt to intentionally to confuse or distract someone else, it is known as a "red herring". This phrase is thought to have originated from the use of smoked herring fish (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Herring) to distract dogs following a scent trail. The herring's strong smell could obscure the real trail and lay a false one.
A satirical (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Satire) type of red herring is the "Chewbacca Defense (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Chewbacca_Defense)". This term is sometimes used in Internet discussion forums (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Internet_forum).
Examples



Defense Lawyer: "Tax fraud is not much of a crime (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Crime), and it is unfair for my client to be subjected to this lengthy and stressful trial over such a minor offense." (This is irrelevant, the lawyer's job is to prove innocence.)
There is a lot of violence (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Violence) in America (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/United_States)'s inner-cities. You should therefore support an increase to welfare funding. (One can agree with either of these statements without agreeing to the other. There is no proof one is relevant to the other.)
Baseball player Mark McGwire just retired. Clearly, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. After all, he's such a nice guy, and he gives a lot of money to all sorts of charities. (Charisma and charity are not qualifications for induction into the Hall of Fame, therefore they do not support the conclusion.)
The premier's tax policies may be popular, but I suspect he had an affair and is paying the woman to keep quiet. The media should investigate that! (This is an example of a red herring, as the speaker attempts to distract from tax policy with the unrelated matter of the alleged affair.)..

I have Q for you Mr Cantor about Policies but what about the "birther"Q?.

Mr. Gregory was attempting to distract Mr Cantor with a unrelated matter
Mr Cantor did right if he did not respond to a "are you beating your wife Q".

The Birther Q was a Fallacy Not sure if you realized this Chuck but its clear you think People in the Tea Party are "teabaggers" and enjoy the innuendo to a sexual act so its clear to me you would ascribe to Fallacious tactics.

Mr Cantor Comes out with Class.

Mr Gregory has defeated himself and played the fool with his intellectual dishonesty ..

Try and roll a boulder down on some one it will roll right back at you. Proverbs

pefjr
01-23-2011, 02:54 PM
Identifying falsehoods and their purveyors is one of the more important tasks taken on by serious journalists MMM

You, CC and Co., and your serious journalists might enjoy identifying this:

http://www.ourbigfoot.com/

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 02:56 PM
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I watch Meet the press but the wife had chores for me this morn with a promise i could watch the games if completed to her satisfaction...

However without watching this and just reading what you wrote here i have to come up with that Mr Gregory was dragging a red herring in front of Mr Cantor, Mr Cantor has NEVER subscribed to a Birther movement as far as i know.

Red herring (fallacy) - Definition

Ignoratio elenchi (also known as irrelevant conclusion) is the logical fallacy (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Logical_fallacy) of presenting an argument that may in itself be valid (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Valid), but which proves or supports a different proposition than the one it is purporting to prove or support. "Ignoratio elenchi" can be roughly translated by ignoring the issue; "elenchi" is from the Greek ελεγχος, meaning an argument of disproof or refutation.
Aristotle (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Aristotle) believed that an ignoratio elenchi is a mistake made by a questioner while attempting to refute a respondent's argument. He called it an ignorance of what makes for a refutation.
Red herrings

When this logical fallacy is used in an attempt to intentionally to confuse or distract someone else, it is known as a "red herring". This phrase is thought to have originated from the use of smoked herring fish (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Herring) to distract dogs following a scent trail. The herring's strong smell could obscure the real trail and lay a false one.
A satirical (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Satire) type of red herring is the "Chewbacca Defense (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Chewbacca_Defense)". This term is sometimes used in Internet discussion forums (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Internet_forum).
Examples




Defense Lawyer: "Tax fraud is not much of a crime (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Crime), and it is unfair for my client to be subjected to this lengthy and stressful trial over such a minor offense." (This is irrelevant, the lawyer's job is to prove innocence.)
There is a lot of violence (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Violence) in America (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/United_States)'s inner-cities. You should therefore support an increase to welfare funding. (One can agree with either of these statements without agreeing to the other. There is no proof one is relevant to the other.)
Baseball player Mark McGwire just retired. Clearly, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. After all, he's such a nice guy, and he gives a lot of money to all sorts of charities. (Charisma and charity are not qualifications for induction into the Hall of Fame, therefore they do not support the conclusion.)
The premier's tax policies may be popular, but I suspect he had an affair and is paying the woman to keep quiet. The media should investigate that! (This is an example of a red herring, as the speaker attempts to distract from tax policy with the unrelated matter of the alleged affair.)..


I have Q for you Mr Cantor about Policies but what about the "birther"Q?.

Mr. Gregory was attempting to distract Mr Cantor with a unrelated matter
Mr Cantor did right if he did not respond to a "are you beating your wife Q".

The Birther Q was a Fallacy Not sure if you realized this Chuck but its clear you think People in the Tea Party are "teabaggers" and enjoy the innuendo to a sexual act so its clear to me you would ascribe to Fallacious tactics.

Mr Cantor Comes out with Class.

Mr Gregory has defeated himself and played the fool with his intellectual dishonesty ..

Try and roll a boulder down on some one it will roll right back at you. Proverbs

Classic over lap with alter-ego David G , be more careful which name you log in under David, or your secret will be out.

John A. Campbell
01-23-2011, 03:09 PM
Indeed.

The remarkable tenacity with which the Republican Party clings to all its lies is DEFINITELY 'one of the more pressing issues of the day'.

Couldn't have said it any better myself, Oz. Interesting to note that you and I continue to be on the same wave length all these years.....we should get together for a cold one one of these days.....I like to visit Breed & Co. Hardware on West 29th every now & then.....check with you later.....

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 03:25 PM
He also had him "pinned down" post #1, " Facing a firing squad" post # 13, and " had him boxed him in" post #25 , but yanno it's OK if your a liberal to use violent rhetoric because they "mean well" and have everyone's best interest at heart. You know the ole double standard deal thing! LOL!

Sorry, Paul. American English is my native tongue and I am somewhat limited to it's idioms.

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 03:29 PM
Sorry, Paul. American English is my native tongue and I am somewhat limited to it's idioms.



You and Sarah Palin eh, two peas in a pod! LOL!!

Lew Barrett
01-23-2011, 03:36 PM
I just finished watching the interview. Cantor was evasive and disingenuous, while failing to make many if any substantive points. A very polished and practiced evader, he never strayed far from the standard image of "politician."

It never stands well when a man fails to answer questions directly. I'd think his performance probably didn't satisfy anybody.
Weak showing.

pefjr
01-23-2011, 04:02 PM
Indeed.

The remarkable tenacity with which the Republican Party clings to all its lies is DEFINITELY 'one of the more pressing issues of the day'.This is not the Republican party as much as you would like for it to be. It's the racist party. You think there is no ignorance among the Demo's. Watch Jerry Springer one time, to enlighten yourself. Then we will check to see if you cling to your hypocrisy.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 04:04 PM
Couldn't have said it any better myself, Oz. Interesting to note that you and I continue to be on the same wave length all these years.....we should get together for a cold one one of these days.....I like to visit Breed & Co. Hardware on West 29th every now & then.....check with you later.....

Hey John,

Just give me a PM when you're headed this way.

I'm just about a mile North of Breed's.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 04:07 PM
This is not the Republican party as much as you would like for it to be. It's the racist party. You think there is no ignorance among the Demo's. Watch Jerry Springer one time, to enlighten yourself. Then we will check to see if you cling to your hypocrisy.

The Republican Party is the party of the Big Lie. The Republican Party is also the Racist Party.

They owe both these names to Lee Atwater, among others, and they are a shining example of just how well they studied Goebbels.

Who is Jerry Springer?

pefjr
01-23-2011, 04:09 PM
Who is Jerry Springer?I need say no more, point made.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 04:16 PM
I need say no more, point made.

As long as you can feel smug about making points against yourself...

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 04:33 PM
I need say no more, point made.

Dangit, I was watching really close, but I failed to see the point you made.
If you're not too busy;) would you please explain it to me?

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 04:39 PM
#1: shining example of just how well they studied Goebbels.

#2: Who is Jerry Springer?



#1: New progressive work around to calling republicans Nazis?

#2: Glen come on your not to sharp today if you don't see the point. To much booze/ reefer?? Maybe just old age, slipping mind factors?

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 04:44 PM
This is not the Republican party as much as you would like for it to be. It's the racist party. You think there is no ignorance among the Demo's. Watch Jerry Springer one time, to enlighten yourself. Then we will check to see if you cling to your hypocrisy.

"It's the racist party."
Okay...now I get your point!

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 04:55 PM
#1: New progressive work around to calling republicans Nazis?

...

I don't need no workaround.

Goebbels invented modern propaganda, and used electronic media to tell the Big Lie. Then he repeated it for long enough that enough people believed it so that Hitler could blitzkrieg all over Europe and kill six million Jews.

Those were the purposes that Goebbels bent his genius to, and he did very, very well.

Lee Atwater and Karl Rove are men made in his image, and the only reason you won't admit it is that you've swallowed too much of the Koolaid.

You believe the lies.

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 04:58 PM
Lee Atwater and Karl Rove are men made in his image, and the only reason you won't admit it is that you've swallowed too much of the Koolaid.

You believe the lies.



It's easy to see who drank what by this post. lol

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 05:00 PM
'How drank what'?

What?

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 05:00 PM
Thank you very much, John T.

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 05:01 PM
It's easy to see how drank what by this post. lol

It damn sure is!:D
Excellent, Pablo!!!!:D

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 05:05 PM
Thank you very much, John T.

You are quite welcome, Sir!

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 05:06 PM
'How drank what'?

What?

Oh come on , the same three letters with a word that's spelled right , WHO . Not that hard to figure out a typo is it? Typical loser tactic , nitpick a word. Nice job!

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 05:09 PM
Oh come on , the same three letters with a word that's spelled right , WHO . Not that hard to figure out a typo is it? Typical loser tactic , nitpick a word. Nice job!


No, no, Paul. The loser tactic is to ignore the use of Goebbels' tactics by Atwater and Rove, and pretend that I'm some sort of whacko.

That's the loser tactic.

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 05:11 PM
heheh!
Pablo, you're slippery as an eel covered in greased owl shyte!
Just like Cantor!:D

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 05:13 PM
No, no, Paul. The loser tactic is to ignore the use of Goebbels' tactics by Atwater and Rove, and pretend that I'm some sort of whacko.

That's the loser tactic.

No reason to pretend with that reply. It's proof positive. Thanks for the confirmation.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 05:16 PM
No sense in arguing with an idiot.

It just annoys the idiot.

pefjr
01-23-2011, 05:18 PM
I can't taint the great state of Texas or the city of Austin by these two clowns, and the same logic applies to the birthers and the Republican Party. I can't taint the Democrat party by it's welfare recipients flooding the Jerry Springer Show either. Bean and Glenn haven't studied logic though, apparently , so they will continue to throw the boomerang at the elephant. Not much to be gained here.

Lew Barrett
01-23-2011, 05:19 PM
Paul, you come here and bait whoever you please, then say you're just kidding, then get offended when it's dished out back to you or say the other guy is a weenie and can't take, it. Then you post an emoticon with a smilie.

Com'on, pal, what is it? This is the kind of behavior one would expect of a dry drunk, not of a sober man like you.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 05:22 PM
I can't taint the great state of Texas or the city of Austin by these two clowns, and the same logic applies to the birthers and the Republican Party. I can't taint the Democrat party by it's welfare recipients flooding the Jerry Springer Show either. Bean and Glenn haven't studied logic though, apparently , so they will continue to throw the boomerang at the elephant. Not much to be gained here.

Fortunately for you, Vegas is just one big taint.

Phillip Allen
01-23-2011, 05:23 PM
what are we gonna do about the hate rhetoric in the title of this thread...?

pefjr
01-23-2011, 05:25 PM
Fortunately for you, Vegas is just one big taint.You might be right about Vegas. And that has to do with what?

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 05:27 PM
..."not a sober man like you"...

But Lew, Paul is not sober...he's surely drunk, not on grain or herb, but on self-righteousness!
John T and I are merely trying to do an Intervention for that scamp, bless his heart!;)
Call us Humanitarians!:D

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 05:31 PM
Paul, you come here and bait whoever you please, then say you're just kidding, then get offended when it's dished out back to you or say the other guy is a weenie and can't take, it. Then you post an emoticon with a smilie.




Kidding about what? Thinking Ozzies a LWW? I'm not kidding about that, he's a republican hating bigot, if you will. I think that's clear by what he posts.

And now are you , like Chris Coose and Capt, Blight going to claim "I'm following you around"? Because I replied to you?

Every one baits , everyone pulls chains, your pulling mine now , at least the way I see it. Any misspelled words , poor grammar , punctuations, etc we need to point out? LOL!

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 05:33 PM
..."not a sober man like you"...

But Lew, Paul is not sober...he's surely drunk, not on grain or herb, but on self-righteousness!
John T and I are merely trying to do an Intervention for that scamp, bless his heart!;)
Call us Humanitarians!:D


OK can I take the bait here!! LOL Is this a typical non baited posts? Or just "fair and balanced" postings / comments? Inquiring minds want to know?

And Phillip has a point , what about this thread title is that "baiting"? LOL You guys are "rich".LOL

pefjr
01-23-2011, 05:38 PM
Kidding about what? Thinking Ozzies a LWW? I'm not kidding about that, he's a republican hating bigot, if you will. I think that's clear by what he posts.

Too kind.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 05:44 PM
Kidding about what? Thinking Ozzies a LWW? I'm not kidding about that, he's a republican hating bigot, if you will. I think that's clear by what he posts.
...

Wrong. I miss the Republican Party from the days when they were SANE.

As to LWW, I may be Left Wing, but I'm no whacko. You've never met a real live Communist, have you? You've probably never even met an actual Socialist.

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-23-2011, 06:33 PM
And(,) Phillip has a point(.) (W)hat about this thread title(?) (I)s that "baiting"? LOL You guys are "rich".LOL

The title of this thread was dynamite in the eyes of it's author. It piled up 65 responses which is a record for him. And he is willing to give credit where it is due. Eric Cantor (R-VA) is the cause of his bit of success this day.

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 06:37 PM
Wrong. I miss the Republican Party from the days when they were SANE.

As to LWW, I may be Left Wing, but I'm no whacko. You've never met a real live Communist, have you? You've probably never even met an actual Socialist.

Good points, John!
Remember the good ole days Pre-Agnew/Nixon?
The days before Hippies/Free-Love scared the living horse shyte out of folks?
What a scary notion, Free Love, love without a price!
Republicans have been busy as cats covering up scat for forty years trying to scare us into their cages.
I'm glad you're not scared yet, John T!;)

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 06:38 PM
...
I'm glad you're not scared yet, John T!;)

Yo!

Lew Barrett
01-23-2011, 08:01 PM
Paul, what's with all the LOLs? Is it funny or are you just a LOL-y-gagger?

Lew Barrett
01-23-2011, 08:05 PM
what are we gonna do about the hate rhetoric in the title of this thread...?
Refudiate the premise.. That works. Did you see the interview? What did you think of Cantor's performance?

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 08:07 PM
Paul, what's with all the LOLs? Is it funny or are you just a LOL-y-gagger?

Heheh!
Good eye, Lew!
That is Paul's attempt at being carefree, gregarious, and light-hearted, while actually being rigid, constrained, withdrawn, and anal!;)

BrianW
01-23-2011, 08:09 PM
Please folks, give Chuck this one victory. Last November is still very much a sore point for him.

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 08:09 PM
Paul, what's with all the LOLs? Is it funny or are you just a LOL-y-gagger?

Ya, I think it's funny, although to be totally honest they are more "internal LOL's " Snickers really! But 'snickers' is more letters to type and I might misspell it! LOL is easier!

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 08:13 PM
Heheh!
Good eye, Lew!
That is Paul's attempt at being carefree, gregarious, and light-hearted, while actually being rigid, constrained, withdrawn, and anal!;)

Excellent example of a non-baited , non-confrontational post Glen. I shall try to emulate your fine example of posting! Clever , witty , light hearted banter!

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 08:22 PM
Excellent example of a non-baited , non-confrontational post Glen. I shall try to emulate your fine example of posting! Clever , witty , light hearted banter!

Aw, Paul, you know you never miss a chance to piss on my candle!
Don't begrudge me an occasional piss on your candle.;)

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 08:28 PM
Aw, Paul, you know you never miss a chance to piss on my candle!
Don't begrudge me an occasional piss on your candle.;)

I don't , but you don't whine about like some others tend to do. I did pi$$ in your corn flakes one day about something, I don't remember what it was , but at least it showed your human. We all can be the pi$$er and the Pi$$ie at times. Snicker! It's the way it is.

pefjr
01-23-2011, 08:29 PM
To get back on track here and off the ad-homing. Lew asked for thought. I will give you mine. Lew, you are jewish, I don't know nor care how strong your beliefs are, but you do know something about the religion, right. So David Greggory is a practicing jew. IMO he clearly lost when he badgered Cantor about crazy talk of the birthers. Cantor answered politely and David was pressing hard for some admission of crazy talk. I am sure that if David was really looking for some crazy talk, he can find plenty by looking no further than the old testament. So assuming this birther talk is crazy( I say it is ), does it top the old testament???? Which I might add has fooled and continues to fool a lot of Democrats. What would Greggory say, if we pressed him about this crazy talk?

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 08:32 PM
This could get ugly! Fun to watch , but ugly! See ya around campus in about a month JR.

oznabrag
01-23-2011, 08:32 PM
Wheeeee!

pefjr
01-23-2011, 08:54 PM
This could get ugly! Fun to watch , but ugly! See ya around campus in about a month JR.My post was not intended to be rude.

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 08:54 PM
I don't , but you don't whine about like some others tend to do. I did pi$$ in your corn flakes one day about something, I don't remember what it was , but at least it showed your human. We all can be the pi$$er and the Pi$$ie at times. Snicker! It's the way it is.

That's the kindest thing you've ever said to me, Paul!;)
I enjoy good-natured banter and humor, but I never intend you any harm.
The "pi$$er and the pi$$ee" may need to be enshrined in a granite WBF monument!:D

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 08:57 PM
To get back on track here and off the ad-homing. Lew asked for thought. I will give you mine. Lew, you are jewish, I don't know nor care how strong your beliefs are, but you do know something about the religion, right. So David Greggory is a practicing jew. IMO he clearly lost when he badgered Cantor about crazy talk of the birthers. Cantor answered politely and David was pressing hard for some admission of crazy talk. I am sure that if David was really looking for some crazy talk, he can find plenty by looking no further than the old testament. So assuming this birther talk is crazy( I say it is ), does it top the old testament???? Which I might add has fooled and continues to fool a lot of Democrats. What would Greggory say, if we pressed him about this crazy talk?

The ferret wrangler speaks!;)

bobbys
01-23-2011, 09:00 PM
That's the kindest thing you've ever said to me, Paul!;)
I enjoy good-natured banter and humor, but I never intend you any harm.
The "pi$$er and the pi$$ee" may need to be enshrined in a granite WBF monument!:D.

The only thing is in your analyzes is Paul OWNED you.

Hey i told you i wuz shallow and well i just like Paul better then you!

Paul Girouard
01-23-2011, 09:05 PM
#1: That's the kindest thing you've ever said to me, Paul!;)

#2:I enjoy good-natured banter and humor, but I never intend you any harm.

#3: The "pi$$er and the pi$$ee" may need to be enshrined in a granite WBF monument!:D



#1: Now don't get all teary eyed , nor expect this type of preferred treatment all the time!

#2: Nor I you. One needs to wear thier 'big boy" panties around here, really. Most seem not to.

#3: Humm that shrine might make the Buddha at Keita Koma Kura, (In Japan) ( all spelled wrong I'm sure) seem tiny! (Snicker)

Glen Longino
01-23-2011, 09:13 PM
.

The only thing is in your analyzes is Paul OWNED you.

Hey i told you i wuz shallow and well i just like Paul better then you!

Go tell Paul you like him better than me, and watch him piss on your candle and slap you upside the head! ;)

perldog007
01-24-2011, 01:09 AM
Go tell Paul you like him better than me, and watch him piss on your candle and slap you upside the head! ;)

Does that not incur an additional charge? Kinky usually does. You are all bad people for even being on this thread, the title does not contain words that heal. What the heck do you think this is? Free Speech?

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-24-2011, 04:33 PM
Here you go Chuck. This is this morning's update. But by all means don't let the facts get in the way of your fantasy. This recent creation of the story by the democrats and their willing participants in the press such as Gregory is no different than the creation that some right wing person caused the Arizona shooting, which we also know now that this did not happen. Cantor did not fall for the head fake yesterday. Whether he answered any and all questions to your satifaction frankly no one paying attention to who is stirring the pot right now really cares.















http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

Erster, you're worse than a dog with a rag. For all you folks that have this issue up your noses all I can say is I'm glad your lives are so serene that you can spend all your time worrying about this particular piece of paper.
I am sorry to say I do not see what it is that you see in the attachment. The birth certificate that was previously shown was rejected by the birthers. They demanded to see the "real" one, whatever that means. It may be that there aint no "real" one. It may only exist on microfilm. In any event I feel certain the state of Hawaii is going to turn away any more requests for that birth certificate. And a court has already decided there ain't nothing there worth investigating. If that gets your blood pressure up it's your own fault.
Any state issued birth certificate that is "certified" is a legal document. It has to be accepted in every court in the land.

bobbys
01-24-2011, 04:39 PM
To get back on track here and off the ad-homing. Lew asked for thought. I will give you mine. Lew, you are jewish, I don't know nor care how strong your beliefs are, but you do know something about the religion, right. So David Greggory is a practicing jew. IMO he clearly lost when he badgered Cantor about crazy talk of the birthers. Cantor answered politely and David was pressing hard for some admission of crazy talk. I am sure that if David was really looking for some crazy talk, he can find plenty by looking no further than the old testament. So assuming this birther talk is crazy( I say it is ), does it top the old testament???? Which I might add has fooled and continues to fool a lot of Democrats. What would Greggory say, if we pressed him about this crazy talk?.

Going by David Gregory's "journalism" Bill should ask President Obama to disavow Code Pink, Bill Ayers bombing, David Letterman's jokes about young girls of Political opponents..

Tim Russet, David Gregory is Not!

Lew Barrett
01-24-2011, 08:20 PM
To get back on track here and off the ad-homing. Lew asked for thought. I will give you mine. Lew, you are jewish, I don't know nor care how strong your beliefs are, but you do know something about the religion, right. So David Greggory is a practicing jew. IMO he clearly lost when he badgered Cantor about crazy talk of the birthers. Cantor answered politely and David was pressing hard for some admission of crazy talk. I am sure that if David was really looking for some crazy talk, he can find plenty by looking no further than the old testament. So assuming this birther talk is crazy( I say it is ), does it top the old testament???? Which I might add has fooled and continues to fool a lot of Democrats. What would Greggory say, if we pressed him about this crazy talk?

I wrote a longer post, but I'm going to shorten it considerably.

I'm not sure what the circumstances of my birth have to do with this, nor the circumstances of Gregory's. I'll take you at your word on his heritage. But just to cap it, why not include Cantor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Cantor) in this, as he's likely the most Jewish of the three of us?


Mainly though, could you rephrase what you just said in simpler terms for me? I'm really not sure what you are trying to say here.
By the way, I agree with you about the OT; .

pefjr
01-24-2011, 09:32 PM
I wrote a longer post, but I'm going to shorten it considerably.
Too late, I thought it would be better in PM.|:)

Lew Barrett
01-25-2011, 11:54 AM
And thanks for that. We're good. I appreciate the message.

pefjr
01-25-2011, 12:22 PM
Gregory is a smart guy, and accomplished what he set out to accomplish: to demonstrate that Cantor wouldn't disassociate himself from the birthers. That's pretty much the end of the story, isn't it? Partisan glaucoma.

Phillip Allen
01-25-2011, 04:07 PM
what are we gonna do about the hate rhetoric in the title of this thread...?

well... chopping off heads is not limited to a single religion but sometimes "profiling" would have us think so... what do ya say Chuckie... is this not hate rhetoric unless it comes from your political opposite?

bobbys
01-25-2011, 04:15 PM
Gregory is a smart guy, and accomplished what he set out to accomplish: to demonstrate that Cantor wouldn't disassociate himself from the birthers. That's pretty much the end of the story, isn't it?.

If he was never associated with Birthers why should he be compelled to Dis associate his self?.

If you were interviewed and i kept pressing you to disavow the Klan or the Yankees could i claim you were dodgeing the Q and indeed own a white robe and have a TV set in the garage for watching the Yankess beat the Red Sox?

bobbys
01-25-2011, 04:16 PM
well... chopping off heads is not limited to a single religion but sometimes "profiling" would have us think so... what do ya say Chuckie... is this not hate rhetoric unless it comes from your political opposite?.

One bad hair Doo on a conservative i know who i am looking for.

CHUCK!!