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Nicholas Carey
01-03-2011, 05:30 PM
The Cleveland Scene (http://www.clevescene.com/64-and-counting/archives/2010/12/22/absolutely-epic-1974-letter-from-cleveland-browns-to-a-fan) has unearthed this brilliant bit of correspondance from 35 years ago.

In 1974, a Cleveland Browns' season ticket holder and attorney named Dale O. Cox, a partner at Roetzel & Andress in Akron, Ohio was apparently concerned about the rowdyness of bleacher creatures that inhabited the Cleveland Brown's Dawg Pound:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/D-Dawg-Pound.jpg

So on November 18, 1974, he wrote this lovely complaint letter (http://www.clevescene.com/images/blogimages/2010/12/22/1293036840-picture_755.png) -- on his firm's letterhead, no less -- addressed to the management of the Cleveland Browns:



Gentlemen:

I am one of your season ticket holders who attends or tries to
attend every game. It appears one of the pastimes of several
fans has become the sailing of paper airplanes generally made out
of the game program. As you know, there is the risk of serious eye
injury and perhaps an ear injury as a result of such airplanes. I
am sure that this has been called to your attention and that sev-
eral of your ushers and policemen witnessed the same.

Please be advised that since you are in a position to control
or terminate such action on the part of fans, I will hold you re-
sponsible for any injury sustained by any person in my party attend-
ing one of your sporting events. It is hoped that this disrespectful
and possibly dangerous activity will be terminated.

Very truly yours,

Roetzel & Andress
[signature]
By Dale O. Cox

A few days later, the Browns' general counsel responded to Mr. Cox with this letter (http://www.clevescene.com/images/blogimages/2010/12/22/1293036449-picture_754.png):



November 21, 1974

Dale O. Cox, Esquire
Roetzel and Andress
20th Floor
One Cascade Plaza
Akron, Ohio 44308

Dear Mr. Cox:

Attached is a letter that we received on November 19,
1974. I feel that you should be aware that some a**hole
is signing your name to stupid letters.

Very truly yours,

CLEVELAND STADIUM CORP.
[signature]
James N. Bailey,
General Council

JNB:bjn
cc: Arthur B. Modell


A little googling suggests that Mr. Cox now resides in Orofino, Idaho (http://www.martindale.com/Dale-O-Cox/899398-lawyer.htm). Went to Hiram College in Hiram, Ohio (43 miles from Cleveland; 37 miles from Akron). Attended the University of Michigan Law School. Admitted to the bar in 1963...so he would have been in his mid 30s at the time he wrote the letter.

Makes you wonder if his move to Orofino had anything to do with his letter writing :rolleyes:

It might be fun to write him and ask him just what he was thinking at the time :d

rbgarr
01-03-2011, 07:03 PM
Looks fake to me. The return letter from the "Cleveland Stadium Corp." is from the 'General Council' (???)

The term is General Counsel, and every lawyer would know it.

SMARTINSEN
01-03-2011, 08:18 PM
I think that Uncle Duke posted this about a week ago.


ETA: Here you go:

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?124154-Great-response-to-a-complaint-letter

Funny nonetheless, and worth the re-read.

Nicholas Carey
01-03-2011, 08:34 PM
Looks fake to me. The return letter from the "Cleveland Stadium Corp." is from the 'General Council' (???)

The term is General Counsel, and every lawyer would know it.That's my transcription error. Click the links for the scan of the original letters. Hmmm...checking the attorney list at Roetzel & Andress' web site, there's a Steven Cox (http://www.ralaw.com/attorney.cfm?id=4670) (partner), whose about the right age to be his ol' Dale's son.

Here you go: Dale O Cox's records at the Ohio Supreme Court:

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/AttySvcs/AttyReg/Public_AttorneyDetails.asp?ID=0044988

List his employer's address (flagged as invalid, since the firm has since moved) as the same as the letter. Looks like Dale O was suspended from the Ohio Bar in 2005, though. Good time to move to small town in Idaho.

genglandoh
01-03-2011, 08:40 PM
Sounds like the Book "letters from a Nut"

S.V. Airlie
01-04-2011, 08:31 AM
Looks fake to me. The return letter from the "Cleveland Stadium Corp." is from the 'General Council' (???)

The term is General Counsel, and every lawyer would know it.

This was posted two weeks ago..I mean last year...

Soundbounder
01-04-2011, 09:33 AM
Hmmm...checking the attorney list at Roetzel & Andress' web site, there's a Steven Cox (partner), whose about the right age to be his ol' Dale's son.

Here you go: Dale O Cox's records at the Ohio Supreme Court:

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/AttySv...asp?ID=0044988 That doesn't really prove anything. It is the content of the letters that is in question, not the names.
It's not too hard to take some old letters and doctor the content.

S.V. Airlie
01-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Interesting the earlier post was full of such posts as " that's funny". Is this poster on someone's hit list?

Hwyl
01-04-2011, 09:38 AM
I'm dubious too, I have a summer position where almost everyone knows how to do my job better than me. I have to deal with this sort of thing all the time. In fact the paper aeroplane letter seems kind of tame. One tends to keep a polite universal response.

S.V. Airlie
01-04-2011, 09:46 AM
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?124154-Great-response-to-a-complaint-letter&highlight=funny+letter#top

No such thoughts on the original OP from anyone Hwyl...
Certainly no one posting earlier questioned its authenticity..

Soundbounder
01-04-2011, 09:54 AM
Interesting the earlier post was full of such posts as " that's funny". Is this poster on someone's hit list?
Timing is everything!
It is a funny letter, but like many urban legends, a certain amount of suspicion kicks in after the initial laugh.

Who knows if the letters are genuine or not. I just disagree with the idea that Real Names= Real Letter

Besides, everyone knows the entire Cleveland Browns front office was killed in Vietnam after eating pop rocks and Coke. Then Art Modells wife gave birth to a black baby 9 months after her bachelorette party.

S.V. Airlie
01-04-2011, 09:58 AM
You are probably correct..above post..but even if it wasn't true, I got a chuckle out of it the first time.. Would like to leave a little humor around this place than constant razzing on so many individuals' part. Baiting, criticism etc gets really tedious...

Hwyl
01-04-2011, 10:08 AM
Jamie, when you were working as a teacher, I'm sure you got letters telling yo that the pupils would be better served if you delivered the classes in Latin or some such and when you were running your non profit, I shudder to think what suggestions you got.

When I was volunteering at a public radio fundraiser, I got a call saying MPBN's financial problems would be over if they ran an hour of Country and Western music each day. I promised to let the management know, that's what one does. You don't insult customers and stay in business.

rbgarr
01-04-2011, 10:53 AM
That's my transcription error. Click the links for the scan of the original letters.

Got it, and this seems to confirm the exchange of letters: http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_lawyers_smart.html

S.V. Airlie
01-04-2011, 11:00 AM
True Dave..a few that looked way worse than what I have been known to type....and called out on.. Dangling prep is an example....But seriously, I did receive one letter from a senior that I could not make any sense ... It was a senior; college bound, I seriously doubt.. Actually wrote a two page letter to the School Board President with the letter attached and the student's name blacked out.. I got a letter back about three months later from the president which had more excuses for the student's inability to write anything than I've ever seen in one letter.

Soundbounder
01-04-2011, 11:22 AM
Got it, and this seems to confirm the exchange of letters: http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_lawyers_smart.html
There we go!!!

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