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Paul Pless
12-08-2010, 11:17 AM
These are among the finest documentaries on the famous racing marques I've ever seen. And they are back on the web again.

Enjoy!

Alfa Romeo (http://www.streetfire.net/video/victory-by-design-alfa-romeo_2056882.htm)

Aston Martin (http://www.streetfire.net/video/victory-by-design-aston-martin_2046847.htm)

Ferrari (http://www.streetfire.net/video/victory-by-design-ferrari_2046956.htm)

Jaguar (http://www.streetfire.net/video/victory-by-design-jaguar_2056422.htm)

Lotus (http://www.streetfire.net/video/victory-by-design-lotus_2047490.htm)

Maserati (http://www.streetfire.net/video/victory-by-design-maserati_2047519.htm)

David W Pratt
12-08-2010, 11:53 AM
Cool!
We'll have to keep bumping this to keep it around.
Nuvolari, in the Mille Miglia, went over a grade crossing and broke the accelerator linkage, his mechanic used his belt to control the throttle. I don't know how they communicated, but at the last checkpoint he found they were within striking distance of first so he turned to the mechanic and said "Pull in on the belt, Decimo, and don't let up until we reach Modena."
I've always thought that was a great quote.

John B
12-08-2010, 01:21 PM
I watched the Jag one .. just amazing how he keeps reeling out one legend after another. Cadenet must have a fantastic reputation to be able to do that..
Makes those guys at Top gear look like real tools doesn't it. They'll never get access to cars like that after what they did to the Le mans C type . And the DB5 for that matter.

davidagage
12-08-2010, 01:58 PM
I love the VBD series, Thanks Paul for finding them.

I also like a few of the BMW films,

Paul Pless
12-08-2010, 03:07 PM
Cadenet is the man! I believe the old SpeedVision Network hired him to do a documentary on Porsche, and that built into the series. Missing from my initial post are episodes on Porsche, the GT40s and Shelby Cobras, and Corvettes. He also did one show specifically on the history of Grand Prix cars.


just amazing how he keeps reeling out one legend after anotherAnd not just important models of cars, but specific individual cars with real racing and or championship history - or cars owned or driven by specific drivers. Yes, very extraordinary access.


I love the VBD series, Thanks Paul for finding them.

I also like a few of the BMW films,
The BMW films are great, another nice automotive documentary is The Unfair Advantage, chronicling Audi's AWD expolits in the eighties and nineties.

Ross M
12-08-2010, 10:16 PM
Excellent find! Thanks for posting the links, Paul.

coelacanth2
12-08-2010, 10:43 PM
My vote for best overall engine note goes to the Jags, esp. the 6 cylinder versions. Love the acceleration snarl and the crackle on the downshift overruns.

John B
12-09-2010, 06:00 PM
I watched Ferrari last night. The sound of those V12s......

Who knew they had 4 cyls as well... not something I'd been aware of.

Chris.
12-09-2010, 07:04 PM
I saw some of these on TV some time ago and was mightily impressed by commentary content and delivery. As someone else said, way better than Top Gear will ever do.

JohnB; As I stopped watching TG a couple of years ago as it descended into the juvenile, I must have missed something. What is "....They'll never get access to cars like that after what they did to the Le mans C type . And the DB5 for that matter....." all about??

And engine note? I quite like the Lotus Cortina; the combination of intake roar from the Webers and the exhaust not is great. But then, the Ferrari is pretty good, and the jag, and the Aston, and the ....

Cheers,

John B
12-09-2010, 07:17 PM
Hi Chris, back in the black stig days, they borrowed the Hamilton C type , took it out the back of the airfield out of the sight of the owner/ minder and thrashed the living crap out of it. A car geared for le man, and those wankers were doing their usual donut, use up the tyres in 2 minutes style. I think they did the clutch in?.. damaged it anyway.
The DB5 was the episode when they were thrashing it and then comparing it to the E type. They boiled it and just kept on at it. Thats how I recall it it anyway, others here might have better recollections.

Chris.
12-09-2010, 07:26 PM
John, thanks for the clarification. But wankers is too kind; it is only self-abuse. They seem to be indiscriminate about who/what they abuse.

I had to sympathise with James May when he was recently 'disciplined' by the BBC for saying that the TG program had become a sit-com rather than a motoring show.

Cheers,

John B
12-09-2010, 07:41 PM
I don't think they are actually car enthusiasts. Cars are just a commodity to be used up by them.

Paul Pless
12-09-2010, 07:59 PM
I watched Ferrari last night. The sound of those V12s......I watched the Jaguar episode over lunch yesterday and thought that nothing could top it. Then my brother and I watched the Alfa show last night and it became my favorite. (when you watch it look for the alfa knit sweater - brilliant bit of kit that) Then today at lunch I watched the show about Aston and am convinced there is no more awesome marque. Maybe I'll do Lotus up tonight.:D

The Bigfella
01-02-2011, 06:18 PM
I just watched the Alfa episode. Brilliant. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. I did some laps last month with a guy who sold most of his GP car collection a couple of years back... but still has some nice cars. Bit out of my reach, I'm afraid.

john welsford
02-20-2011, 02:02 PM
I was an assistant flag marshal at the NZ GP when the v 6 Ferraris were here back when ( early 70s I think), and clearly remember the magical sound, like the ring of a really big bell, as they accellerated down the back straight toward us.
It was about then I began to think about swapping two wheels for four without fenders, did get some drives and good memories but was never quite top notch.
John Welsford


I watched Ferrari last night. The sound of those V12s......

Who knew they had 4 cyls as well... not something I'd been aware of.

Paul Pless
10-26-2011, 08:00 PM
Bump for Peter Sibley.

PeterSibley
10-26-2011, 08:47 PM
Marvelous Paul ,I started watching the Alpha one but I'm afraid with wireless download and my 3 gig limit I won't see much though .

purri
10-26-2011, 11:31 PM
^ culturally deprived eh? no wonder you support NBN!

sailboy3
10-27-2011, 05:56 AM
One of them looks like it has dorades on it. :p

PeterSibley
10-27-2011, 05:59 AM
^ culturally deprived eh? no wonder you support NBN!

Yep ,I dream of big city downloads !

skuthorp
10-27-2011, 06:36 AM
I always liked the look of these. Stuck, Nuvolari, Rosmeyer and Ascari in a car that was barely controllable. 1937 Auto Union type C streamliner.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/872/Auto-Union-Type-C_5.jpg


(http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic/872/Auto-Union-Type-C_6.html)

Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-27-2011, 03:29 PM
bump! Thank you Paul!

PeterSibley
10-27-2011, 03:42 PM
Seconded !

Paul Pless
10-27-2011, 04:16 PM
We may as well put the most famous Alan de Cadenet out-take up here as well.:d


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT46V3mmWRE

Ross M
10-27-2011, 07:30 PM
My very favorite Goodwood on-track clip. I believe it is an Auto Union C type, as shown above by Skuthorp:

http://www.fastmetal.tv/view/1887/auto-union-spins/

Paul Pless
10-27-2011, 07:34 PM
Wow!

Ross M
10-27-2011, 10:06 PM
The Type C Streamliner:

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/rossmcdonough/auto-union_type-c_streamliner_37.jpg

Spin_Drift
01-27-2012, 01:54 PM
WOWZA... :):D NICE.

Thanks!

skuthorp
01-27-2012, 03:30 PM
Thanks for the bump, I too with wireless links will have trouble viewing all of this. I do have a land line but don't want any more expense. Maybe I'll go see a mate with a connection.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
01-27-2012, 04:24 PM
Hi Chris, back in the black stig days, they borrowed the Hamilton C type , took it out the back of the airfield out of the sight of the owner/ minder and thrashed the living crap out of it. A car geared for le man, and those wankers were doing their usual donut, use up the tyres in 2 minutes style. I think they did the clutch in?.. damaged it anyway.
The DB5 was the episode when they were thrashing it and then comparing it to the E type. They boiled it and just kept on at it. Thats how I recall it it anyway, others here might have better recollections.

I haven't seen it, but googled it, according to other sources, the Jag owner told them to drive it hard. They didn't wreck it, just wore the tires and the clutch, pretty much the norm for a day at the track. Couldn't find any specifics on the DB5. Not saying they can't be yobs, James took a CTS-V off road in the desert while trying to do "11's" with the traction control off.

John Bell
01-27-2012, 04:33 PM
Thanks for bumping this up. I saw most of these on Speedvision before it morphed into NASCAR-all-the-time-TV (aka Speed Network). These are are longer and unedited, which is better! (In my head hear Richard Hammond saying "but it's better" as I type this...) Need to set a reminder to bittorrent the first episode of new TG series on Sunday, BTW.

I used to go to a lot of vintage races and these remind me I ought to go again sometime soon.


James took a CTS-V off road in the desert while trying to do "11's" with the traction control off.

I can say from actual experience that going offroad to do "11s" is not necessary in a CTS-V. You can make 11s on pavement as long as you have the will and rubber on the rear tires, trust me.

Paul Pless
01-27-2012, 05:20 PM
I can say from actual experience that going offroad to do "11s" is not necessary in a CTS-V. You can make 11s on pavement as long as you have the will and rubber on the rear tires, trust me.When the first generation CTS-V's first came out, I got caught out wickedly by one. So I was test driving one after having owned my Corvette for a few months. I had been lolled into a sense of familiarity that the shifter and the big small block sounds were giving me. But make no mistake - a CTS-V weighs 1500 pounds more than a Corvette and has about 70% the tread width. See where this is going???

Let's just say I was fortunate to keep it shiny side up on one of those long cloverleaf freeway entrances. http://www.vbforums.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

I wish I could have seen the salesman's face when I was countersteering at about 70! As it was, I still recall the audible gasp from the passenger seat.:d

John Bell
01-27-2012, 07:21 PM
I wish I could have seen the salesman's face when I was countersteering at about 70! As it was, I still recall the audible gasp from the passenger seat.:d

Easy peasy: opposite lock and a big bootfull of throttle. I dunno what you were worried about...

Paul Pless
01-27-2012, 08:01 PM
I dunno what you were worried about...the concrete retaining wall. . .

john l
04-11-2012, 03:44 PM
these videos are fantastic! and revere the marques. Cadenet is more than an enthusiast...he is a historian and clearly conveys ideology, time period and experience.
His antics are also in sync with the perceptions of the marque. he makes me feel like i'm right there, experiencing the wheel in my hands, the air in my hair
and the scent of steel, leather, oil and fumes. well done!

John B
04-11-2012, 04:48 PM
There's another scent you didn't mention John. In some marques 'pre ignition' has less to do with timing and more to do with the state of the wiring harness.
hot plastic.mmmmmm.