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TimH
12-05-2010, 02:13 AM
:mad:Wake the F up!




How long can this go on? The truth is that this can go on forever. The rich now control enough of the media to create "reality". Even as "concerns" are raised, the myth that nothing can be done trumps all. It is becoming the new "normal". Every day we are told by the corporate media that it's not possible to rehire the umemployed even if we started creating jobs at the rate jobs were created during the boom years of the Clinton Administration.

The thought that we could just do what needs to be done to make it happen never passes their lips. The principles that Alexander Hamilton presented to Congress in 1792 that took a back woods group of colonies that didn't make shovels and created the largest most powerful manufacturing economy the world has ever seen, his words are never mentioned. They talk about manufacturing as if it were as quaint as powdered wigs. China, Japan and Germany all operate on these same priciples that Hamilton proposed 230 years ago. Thirty years ago China was nearly as primitive as 1790s American and now they build 230 mph bullet trains. But we can't; FOX, CBS, NBC and ABC say so, and they create reality


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Meli
12-05-2010, 02:36 AM
It's a sad fact that capitalist economies cant have socialist luxuries like universal health care, excellent and cheap public transport, well maintained public infrastuctures age care, decent free universities, workers compensation, long term unemployment benefits etc

I think it has something to do with Tax

BrianW
12-05-2010, 02:40 AM
I'm amused that federally funded"bullet trains" have become the new standard for recovery.

After all, it's worked so well with Amtrak.

TimH
12-05-2010, 02:44 AM
China is not "recovering"

neither is europe.

Wake up and smell the coffee Brian. At we get to watch.

BrianW
12-05-2010, 02:50 AM
China is not "recovering"

neither is europe.

Wake up and smell the coffee Brian. At we get to watch.

I've been up for over 24 hours (I suck at sleeping on airplanes) but suspect I'll feel the same in the A.M.

TimH
12-05-2010, 02:52 AM
I hope you dont. We need to get our **** together. Enough passing it off till tomorrow.

Meli
12-05-2010, 03:31 AM
well For some reason we are doing OK, Gubberment threw money directly into the bank accounts of people who actually spend it on basics.
threw money at schools rebuilding programmes, home insulation and water tank grants. OK they were cobbled together in a bit of a hurry and there was some maladministration and rorting.
Course they are copping the moan, doom and gloom that we are now in deficit, but hey, we still have jobs and houses.

JimJ
12-05-2010, 08:00 AM
people who actually spend it on basics

And a lot to China for the latest gadget.

McMike
12-05-2010, 08:40 AM
I hear your outrage and happen to share it to but find that the rest of the country is like Brian and doesn't see the problem. Having meet Brian and his family, I certainly hope he is never meet with the circumstance that will open his eyes to the problems that exist in this country. What you have to remember is at least 80% of the people who want to work do and of the unemployed, most still receive unemployment benefits . . . for the time being. This is not enough unbalance to create a revolution. There may be some serious backlash when unemployment benefits run out for the majority of those folks, but still, it will take at least 35% of the population to be out of work and also not receiving unemployment benefits in order to create a critical mass to charge a revolt.

I don't personally see the point of comparing us with China just yet; you forget that two years ago the earthquake killed scores of folks simply because the government failed to follow through with basic building codes. Let's also not forget that they actually imprison people for speaking their minds there as well. We, here in the states may be close to that reality (the Patriot act and our crumbling infrastructure brings us close) but until we get there people won't wake up.

I've been saying, we as a country, need to stand against the growing tide of corporate controlled government for years, there are very few who are ready and willing to listen just yet.

FWIW, if people ever do revolt it will make things worse rather than better; we don't have the collective mental capacity in this country to pull off a proper non-violent revolution strong enough to change Washington and forget about an armed uprising, do you really want a militant running things, I don't. Really, the best we can hope for is that the corporations realize that keeping us complaisant is better than enslaving us. Only prolonged hardship will foster the self-control and self-reliance that we collectively need to make a positive change and those in power know it. We as a nation have not know that kind of hardship for 70 years.

skuthorp
12-05-2010, 09:18 AM
Quote; McMike: "Really, the best we can hope for is that the corporations realize that keeping us complaisant is better than enslaving us."

And now for the originator of the concept we see at work on your friendly TV network.
"Tittytainment" is a term crafted by the Zbigniew Brzezinski and a portmanteau of two words: tits (as a reference to breast-feeding) and entertainment. This Tittytainment is a mixture of "intoxicating entertainment and sufficient nourishment" that can "tranquilize the frustrated minds of the globe's population."
Read constant professional 'sport' and soft porn films. And the porn is not necessarily sexual, violence does very well. And now we have gaming and gambling on the same device, and virtual worlds. No revolution there to be had. And then there's the 20/80 rule, which ran that it will only need 20% of the 1995 workforce to keep global financial activity going in the future, the 80%? Tittytainment.
Of course things have changed, there's a war or two on but post recession jobs?

McMike
12-05-2010, 09:27 AM
Quote; McMike: "Really, the best we can hope for is that the corporations realize that keeping us complaisant is better than enslaving us."

And now for the originator of the concept we see at work on your friendly TV network.
"Tittytainment" is a term crafted by the Zbigniew Brzezinski and a portmanteau of two words: tits (as a reference to breast-feeding) and entertainment. This Tittytainment is a mixture of "intoxicating entertainment and sufficient nourishment" that can "tranquilize the frustrated minds of the globe's population."
Read constant professional 'sport' and soft porn films. And the porn is not necessarily sexual, violence does very well. And now we have gaming and gambling on the same device, and virtual worlds. No revolution there to be had.

Tittytainment sounds about right, when someone knows more about their Ipad then they know about their government it kinda makes them easy to control.

pefjr
12-05-2010, 10:25 AM
Well, the lefties are rotating blame again. YWWAB went to blaming the Republicans, now goes to blaming the rich. All the while sitting on their ass drawing unemplyment pay. If the lefties are so much more intelligent as they claim to be, shouldn't they be the rich?

Cuyahoga Chuck
12-05-2010, 10:44 AM
I'm amused that federally funded"bullet trains" have become the new standard for recovery.

After all, it's worked so well with Amtrak.

Got a picture of that Amtrak bullet train, bunky?

McMike
12-05-2010, 10:45 AM
Well, the lefties are rotating blame again. YWWAB went to blaming the Republicans, now goes to blaming the rich. All the while sitting on their ass drawing unemplyment pay. If the lefties are so much more intelligent as they claim to be, shouldn't they be the rich?

I wasn't fortunate enough to have gift of cash to use or anybody who gave a shat to mentor me into that kind of success. Most business owners I know had a familial nest egg to draw from both intellectually and monetarily. I might yet beat the odds but it is much harder to start from scratch then it was 30 years ago when housing and necessities cost a lot less in relationship to the average salary not to mention that many endeavors require a lot of upstart cash for the same reasons vs. 30 years ago.

I'm not saying it's impossible but it is a lot harder, so don't knock those of us who are the proletariat if only because without us there would not be the bourgeoisie, no? We can't all be wealthy but it would be nice if we got our fair and proportional share of the pie. Don't be so simple as to accuse us of being jealous and think that's the answer for the animosity towards the upper class from the lower and middle classes, it's not.

You know, you could start your journey towards true understanding by understanding that most of the middle class now have to rely on SS because the rich decided to screw us out of a retirement by bilking the financial system which tanked our investments. This would be the tip of the iceberg but a start.

JimD
12-05-2010, 10:47 AM
Anyone who's envious of a Chinese factory worker should go work in a Chinese factory at Chinese pay rates for a while. I'd rather bust rocks on a chain gang.

BrianW
12-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Got a picture of that Amtrak bullet train, bunky?

Exactly.

In a corridor where it should work, it doesn't exist.

Tom Hunter
12-05-2010, 12:21 PM
Brian,

I'm pretty conservative and do believe that we need to keep a close eye on govt. spending. I still support high speed rail, here are some reasons why:

When I was born there were 190 million Americans, now there are 300 million. The highways, airports and railroads we have were almost all in place when I was born. Before I die there will be 400 million Americans. We need ways to move people around, and in places that should include fast trains.

Republican government built the transcontinental railroad, bought us the state of Alaska, built the Panama Canal and built the interstate system. Historically spending on this type of infrastructure, growth and improvement has paid huge dividends for the country.

As for Amtrak, it works well and makes money in the North East corridor. It would work even better and make even more money if it moved at 200 mph. It would also reduce congestion at east coast airports, which would increase the efficency of air travel.

Budget wise I believe the USA has put to much towards entitlements and the military and too little towards infrastructure. We need to re-balance, make a lot of repairs on the infrastructure we have and build out the higher tech infrastructure we need.

Cuyahoga Chuck
12-05-2010, 12:21 PM
Exactly.

In a corridor where it should work, it doesn't exist.

Where are we headed?
It don't exist?
It should exist?
It will exist?
It's ironical that it may be capable of existance?
As soon as we scrape off enough muskeg it will be running to Prudho to Kamchatka?

TimH
12-05-2010, 12:52 PM
if the lefties are so much more intelligent as they claim to be, shouldn't they be the rich?

Most republicans like to think of themselves as part of some elite club that is innately more intelligent then the rest because they compulsively spend their lives trying to beat the Jones and aquire more and more stuff.

Most of the rich people I have known are really not more intelligent than a lot of others. They just live for money.
On the other hand a lot of the most intelligent people I know are not wealthy...not by a long shot.

OCD and greed does not a genius make.

BrianW
12-05-2010, 01:11 PM
Brian,

I'm pretty conservative and do believe that we need to keep a close eye on govt. spending. I still support high speed rail, here are some reasons why:

I have nothing against it either. If it works and can make money, I'm not against the Feds starting it.

Since this is not the train thread (although you'd be hard pressed to find the train thread, due to the stupid title) I'll leave it at that.

TimH
12-05-2010, 01:17 PM
We are on a high speed train. i dont think i need to explain what i mean by this.

RichKrough
12-05-2010, 01:42 PM
Tim, too much worry over something you nor anyone else here has any control over. Life is too short to be unhappy .
Just do what you can to better things on your little patch of earth and live your life.

As for the whole debate over high speed rail . It is simple, the railroads and right-o-ways in most countries are government owned and controlled , Here in the USA 95% of the railroad right-of-ways are under control of private freight railroads. The freight railroads don't want high speed trains over their tracks or give up portions of their right-o-ways to build high speed passenger rail. This in their view would cost them in freight revenues , infrastucture costs and increase their liability exposure

TimH
12-05-2010, 02:12 PM
Tim, too much worry over something you nor anyone else here has any control over. Life is too short to be unhappy .
Just do what you can to better things on your little patch of earth and live your life.



I appreciate the sentiment Rich.

That is what I and millions of other Americans have been doing for a lot of years now.

It is becoming clearer that that is a large part of the problem.

I think deep down we all want to think that our government has our best interests at heart and things will work out. After all...this is America right?

And of course the US could never become as stratified as say...Mexico. people would never stand for that.

Unless...

nw_noob
12-05-2010, 04:21 PM
[INDENT]:mad:Wake the F up!




How long can this go on? The truth is that this can go on forever. The rich now control enough of the media to create "reality". Even as "concerns" are raised, the myth that nothing can be done trumps all. It is becoming the new "normal". [...]

The thought that we could just do what needs to be done to make it happen never passes their lips. [...]

But we can't; FOX, CBS, NBC and ABC say so, and they create reality


So sad, so true. Just look at what happens when somebody comes along and speaks the truth: [link] (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/30/wikileaks/index.html)

pefjr
12-05-2010, 05:04 PM
Most republicans like to think of themselves as part of some elite club that is innately more intelligent then the rest because they compulsively spend their lives trying to beat the Jones and aquire more and more stuff.

Most of the rich people I have known are really not more intelligent than a lot of others. They just live for money.
On the other hand a lot of the most intelligent people I know are not wealthy...not by a long shot.

OCD and greed does not a genius make.In other words: In my negative opinion and narrow view: yadda, yadda, yadda.