A Sweet Caribiana Skiff

[Armedmariner]

Question for the community:

Has anyone run across stitch and glue plans for a boat similar to this BEAUTIFUL design?

http://www.caribiana.com/

I'd be interested in hearing what you know.

Thanks

[sulayman]

YES!!!! The Caribiana Skiff is a beauty- The closest I"ve found to her lines of design is at http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/003/W7260E/W7260E00.HTM

I feel your pain!

[DavesFlatsBoat]

I spending my spare time trying to convert those FAO (6.3m) plans into a stitch & glue design - I've lessened the rocker by 2.5 inches at the stern and am plowing ahead, learning as I go. Email me in about 6 weeks I might have something to look at.

[TomMcKinney]

Armed mariner and I have spoken a bit about those exact plans- I think one here in the 1st world would want to remove all the rocker from the rear to make her a planning boat, which could be done with I would guess 25 hp or less.

I think taht the carolina skiffs, are somewhat similar, although deeper and so are some Gardner designs.

I was thinking of building Gardners clam skiff with lapstrake sides and doing away with the frames--altough would stioll need to build molds. I think it would have similar qualities, except I would make the flat version for planning speed.

Tom

[garland reese]

The Simmons boats might be close, though not stitch and glue. It is lap ply on frame. This is an 18 foot version. A 22 footer is available, I think. It should have many of the same attributes of the caribiana

http://www.seaislandboatworks.com/images/Kent_Tomaselli.jpg

[DavesFlatsBoat]

Let me preface with - "you can fill up books with what I don't know about boat design."

The FAO plans have 6 inches or so of rocker from the second frame to the transom - what would be the power needs difference between reducing it to 4 inches and reducing it to 0?

The deadrise at midship is 12 degrees and falls to 5 at the transom - my ideal would a 21ft hull that could do 20 knots with 40hp and still behave well in 1-2ft seas - that is, slow down to 15 knots but still make progress.

But I'm drawing these plans to get more experience in S&G design and more practical CAD practice.

[TomMcKinney]

Your preface would apply to me as well, but here's my 2 cents anyway- By taking out the rocker, you don't reaaly increase the power needs of the boat that much-- but you do allow it to plane without porposiing. I extrapolate this from Gardner's discussion on his clam skiff where he di the same thing- took the rocker out of work boat that was originally intended to be rowed and drawn up on the hard while loaded.

Tom

[DavesFlatsBoat]

Well I think I made the 6 week time frame.

The hydrostatics say she will draw just a smig over 7" at 1200 lbs and 10" at 2000 lbs, I'm still figuring bare hull weight, but I can't see it going over 700lbs if built S&G. She's long and narrow, but there is a surprising amount of room.

Again: I am a rank amateur - currently building my own design - I think this plan is workable, but have neither the time or space to build it. But I will someday.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/p35abee8915d7aa321a7469f00042e37b/fc913770.jpg

[Wiley Baggins]

DavesFlatsBoats,

Very attractive design. It is similar to (not derivative) Stephens' Design No. 1. Take this with a grain of salt (perhaps a shaker full), but are you wed to tapering the beam as you approach the transom? Since you drew some inspiration from the FAO designs which anticipate lower powered, lighter engines (edit: and a heavier boat), you may have carried over a feature which reduces your buoyancy and planing surface aft. Are you planning on using a similarly light/low powered engine?

[ 03-02-2003, 10:17 AM: Message edited by: Wiley Baggins ]

[DavesFlatsBoat]

Both the FAO & the Caribiana influenced the narrowing at the transom. It's certainly more than a Simmons or Tolman, but less than a Bartender. Now, if I had the skills to throw in some tumblehome - we'd be real close to Boat Porn for me.

As for HP - not as little as the FAO - but 30-50 for such a light boat might work nicely. I kept the deadrise at 11 degrees for that reason.

[DavesFlatsBoat]

Hey Guys,

I've updated the plans for the Skiff:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid97/p6370d90be826fc58c38525218611b068/fa0a1db7.jpg

Added some tumblehome, designed a more complete motorwell, and created a console suggegtion. The hull without power comes in less than 750lbs. Plans are metric (easier for lofting) and S&G composite sandwich constuction.

[Tar Devil]

Dave, I still have your address at home... plans still free?

Now that some end to the medical crap is in sight I'll send you that SASE.

Later,

Phil

[DavesFlatsBoat]

Nope, not free - need double postage tongue.gif
I'll print'em, but you cover the mailing!

Good to hear things are looking up - I think you'll like these - wish I had a barn to build in right now

Dave

[hacd]

how about this?

<img src=http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mudskipper/Boat/2e4da0ff.jpg>

[cdragon]

Those are sweet boats-tons of them in Trinidad for fishing, both commercial and pleasure and just as pleasure boats. A friend of mine had a glass one built in Trinidad (an 18' if I remember), put a jug or two of water and some extra fuel in her and ran her straight up to Bequia no problem (can get a bit rough between Grenada and Trinidad-60 miles or so and a few thousand miles of fetch to the east)where he uses her as a day charter fishing boat. Be nice to have one in wood, but I would utter the blasphemy that it might be fun to go to Trini (perhaps during Carnival!) and pick up a new or used one from that glass glass fibre stuff and ship her on home. You'd have a fine time and a fine boat...

[hacd]

If I remember correctly there was an article in wooden boat a while back about a Carribean style
boat Brion Rioff designed and built , with lapstrake sides,and bullet proof bottom .

[Tar Devil]

Originally posted by hacd:
If I remember correctly there was an article in wooden boat a while back about a Carribean style
boat Brion Rioff designed and built , with lapstrake sides,and bullet proof bottom .Rieff Runner Hull # 1:
http://www.brionrieffboatbuilder.com/graphics/reiffrunner1_72.jpg

Rieff Runner Hull #2:
http://www.brionrieffboatbuilder.com/graphics/rieffrunner1.jpg

Personally, I like hull #1 better.

(However, the interior of Hull #2 is pretty classy!)
http://www.brionrieffboatbuilder.com/graphics/rieffrunner2.jpg

Later,

Phil

[ 01-07-2004, 11:26 PM: Message edited by: Tar Devil ]

[Keith Wilson]

What the @#$% did they do to the sheerline on Reiff Runner #2?!? I though it would be impossible to make that boat look boring, but they seem to have manged it. I hope it's just a wierd angle in the photograph.

[Tar Devil]

Kieth, that's a radically different sheer than the original. In the magazine article Rieff said he tried to lower the bow in the first boat but the customer refused.

Smart customer. He has the better looking boat.

Later,

Phil

[dcobbett]

hadc,

That picture sure got my attention. Any details, and more pictures, please!

[hacd]

designed it ,built it -finished last august,

had a big hurricane here in sept,and have been busy with other things -will get round to getting it in the wet stuff some time.

vital statistics -

24 feet loa

6 foot beam

power -now 25 hp-but will go to a 50 or so in a whilewhen funding permits.

hull plywood and epoxy

framing stringers ect SALVAGED mahogany(broke my heart cutting some of that wood)

decks and gunwhales fiberlass/polyester,foam

it has a flat on the bottom 2.25 inches thick
bit like the Brion Rieff boat.

<img src=http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mudskipper/Boat/eacbdef4.jpg>

i put one on my previous boat and was really pleased with it .

the boat has a band of floatation around the gunwhale , it is designed tofloat upright with the gunwhales out , most boats in a worst case scenario float upside down with the bow up engine down .

i work on the water and have seen enough sunk boats .

[ 01-09-2004, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: hacd ]

[Spenie]

Is the boat photo posted by Hacd built from the plans by DaveFlatlandsboat. If so, I'll take a copy of those plans and send you a special little fee for the effort (along with postage price). How does she go? I'd love to hear 20 knots comfortably. Send me your address to Spenie@hotmail.com

[DavesFlatsBoat]

Sorry hacd's boat is his from his own plans - I like his very much - good strong design

but if you want my plans - I'll email you my address. That way you can look a the hydrostatics and draw your own conclusions on hull speed & possible planning speed.