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troutman
11-12-2010, 12:56 PM
So the reeps are going to duke it out over defense spending.......right......and pigs fly. But why would you need a super sonic fighter when your enemy doesn't have a piper cub? Certainly we could neutralize the Iranian af with a couple of old phantoms. I found it interesting that a major weapon system will be made up of components made in dozens of congressional districts. Cynical but smart. If the reeps seriously move against defense spending I'll give them credit. More likely, they'll kill a measure to reroof base housing so some valient warriors young wife gets wet when it rains. O, if this seems unrefined it's because it's for the bilge and not for my doctoral dissertation at harvard.

John of Phoenix
11-12-2010, 01:06 PM
Those guys have buying stuff the military doesn't want solely in the name of pork for a long time. A couple of tea partiers aren't going to change anything.

troutman
11-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Curt Weldon, r Delaware county pa. The benefactor of the osprey, a plane for the marines they didnt want. If a couple of tea partyers filibustered the defense budget I'd at least admit they had some integrity. Put up or shut up time.

Captain Blight
11-12-2010, 02:49 PM
Osprey is such a fantastic concept, I think it's too good a concept to just leave lying in the dust. But now they're putting patches on the patches; they really ought to just take the lessons learned and go do another, completely different tiltrotor aircraft. Give the problem to Scaled Composites instead of Lockheed or whoever.

ramillett
11-12-2010, 11:58 PM
Well the generals fly then .
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv332/ramillett/millett/DSC_0168.jpg

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv332/ramillett/millett/DSC_0181.jpg
But I'm not sure if they are safe enough for MY daughter :)
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv332/ramillett/millett/DSC_0183.jpg

OconeePirate
11-13-2010, 12:22 AM
Am I the only one that saw the title of this thread, and given general topics of discussion around here, expected to see some crazy, high power, high speed, industrial planer?

BrianW
11-13-2010, 09:23 AM
But I'm not sure if they are safe enough for MY daughter :)
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv332/ramillett/millett/DSC_0183.jpg

Very cool! Looks fairly clean, must be an Air Force bird. The Marine versions I've been around are a bit dirtier. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/Afghanistan/Osprey-3.jpg

BrianW
11-13-2010, 09:37 AM
Another Air Force and Marine pic...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/Afghanistan/c17-and-ch53d.jpg

Gerarddm
11-13-2010, 11:24 AM
There are lots of antagonist supersonic fighters out here. The Russkies are still in the game and export like crazy whenever they can. Just because the Iranians have a bunch of clapped out Tomcats doesn't mean we need to be at the Top Gun top of the heap.

BTW, last time I checked we are not at war w/Iran?

Bruce Hooke
11-13-2010, 11:39 AM
Am I the only one that saw the title of this thread, and given general topics of discussion around here, expected to see some crazy, high power, high speed, industrial planer?

Nope. I had the same thought.

Captain Blight
11-13-2010, 11:42 AM
Or at least some footage of the Unlimiteds at Reno.

McMike
11-13-2010, 11:52 AM
O, if this seems unrefined it's because it's for the bilge and not for my doctoral dissertation at harvard.

OMFG LMFAO!!!! Sombody had to say it!!!! funny.

LeeG
11-13-2010, 12:40 PM
Am I the only one that saw the title of this thread, and given general topics of discussion around here, expected to see some crazy, high power, high speed, industrial planer?

I was thinking high speed prop planes

LeeG
11-13-2010, 12:44 PM
can an Osprey land on the same kind of soil as a C53? It sure looks like those exhausts would send rocks and gravel out at high speed


here's a good book on the Osprey

http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Machine-Untold-History-Notorious/dp/1416562958/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289670136&sr=1-1

Andrew Craig-Bennett
11-13-2010, 12:58 PM
This had comparable performance, and twice the payload, in 1959:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/SFF_002-1055526_Fairey_Rotodyne.jpg/800px-SFF_002-1055526_Fairey_Rotodyne.jpg

Since it could hover and land on one engine, or indeed land on no engines, it was a great deal safer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Fairey_Rotodyne.jpg

You will have spotted the absence of a tail rotor - because the system generated no torque. The pitch of the rotor was flattened in forward flight, because half the load was taken by the wings.

File under "the strange death of British aviation".

troutman
11-13-2010, 01:03 PM
I'm thinking of enemies, Taliban, or potential, Iran. The Russians and Chinese are no threat unless you count holding our debt. In viet nam we loved to see those WW II vintage sky raiders show up. We figured that being slow theyd be less apt to bomb us by mistake. That Warthog is one ugly scary plane especially if your in a tank. I want to see Rand Paul move to cut a fast plane with components built in his district not playground equipment at enlisted base housing at Fort Armpit.

Paul Girouard
11-13-2010, 01:25 PM
Pat Ford , pcford would say Lie Nielsen

Look he already weighed in :




I'd get the LN 60 1/2.
But the usual suspects will be along shortly to peddle their threadbare advice. For something different see:
http://www.finefurnituremaker.com/woodworking_tools.htm
Good luck!

LeeG
11-13-2010, 01:26 PM
Troutman, I don't think our gov't can say no to bidness. The Tea Partayers will do the same thing, support local bidness. If we don't sell billions of arms who will?

Andrew Craig-Bennett
11-13-2010, 01:34 PM
This is the point at which I usually indert the clip of Ike's military industrial complex speech.

Why change the habit of a lifetime?


Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

As a matter of interest, does your Navy have any ships suited to carrying out long range anti-piracy deterrence at low cost? Ours doesn't.

Paul Girouard
11-13-2010, 01:36 PM
This is the point at which I usually indert the clip of Ike's military industrial complex speech.

As a matter of interest, does your Navy have any ships suited to carrying out long range anti-piracy deterrence at low cost? Ours doesn't.



Humm,, Low cost Navies, no such animal , never has been , never will be.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
11-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Meet HMS Geranium, one of sixty or so cheap simple sloops built to merchant ship spec, with a crew of around 80, a couple of guns, 17 knots and good range, Cheap, simple and effective against pirates.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/HMAS_Geranium_SLV_AllanGreen_m.jpg/791px-HMAS_Geranium_SLV_AllanGreen_m.jpg

LeeG
11-13-2010, 03:47 PM
This is the point at which I usually indert the clip of Ike's military industrial complex speech.

As a matter of interest, does your Navy have any ships suited to carrying out long range anti-piracy deterrence at low cost? Ours doesn't.

seems to me that a ship wouldn't meet the need of covering a large area where events are a days distance away at 25kts. How about a ship with multiple ROVs that can directly monitor and possibly attack a pirate vessel?