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09-11-2010, 01:09 PM

09-11-2010, 02:06 PM
Impressive! Y>



09-11-2010, 02:33 PM
Just go read the bible there's plenty of crazy stuff in there. The key to belonging to any old religion is to ignore the crazy stuff.

09-11-2010, 02:33 PM
but have you left Newport News?

Ian McColgin
09-12-2010, 07:36 PM
Note that this is an explicity anti-Islamic outfit. Sorta like a recovering catholics group. I'm not at all against people getting free of delusional beliefs but these guys are a bil like all those "recovering" alocholics who write books and make money from their "recovery."

09-12-2010, 10:23 PM
There are often none so fanatical than the converted, what ever the direction. I think that it is about constantly reinforcing their decision and often a more strongly held 'non-belief' than their previous attatchment. Ex smokers are a secular case in point.

L.W. Baxter
09-12-2010, 11:07 PM

This is about as interesting as the "Exodus" program or other Christian organizations for the "rehabilitation" of homosexuals. Who cares?

People dealing badly with their personal issues make poor witnesses to anything, let alone the very phenomena that tortures them.

09-12-2010, 11:53 PM
for example God desires us to know Him, This means a relationship of Abba, father God to his children.
God creates man in His image.
He walked with Adam in the Garden of God.

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, "Where are you?"God calls out even today, where are you!

He made man to be friends with God and God to be friends with Him, something that the enemy stole away, due to our free will.
Even today he calls out to you like this.

But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." The woman said to him, "I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things." Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am he."
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"By conquering, he means this here in the prior verse, telling you that you have been blinded to spiritual truth.

For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may seeSuch is the truth about who God is and that he desires us to be with Him always.
This world is fading away for all of us and eternity is right close by.
Who is to say what that will bring or what you might have missed.

09-13-2010, 12:00 AM

Duncan Gibbs
09-13-2010, 03:23 AM

09-13-2010, 04:25 AM
Abba? :D

Paul G.
09-13-2010, 04:42 AM
Now to Islam. It is, first, a religion that makes very large claims for itself, purporting to be the last and final word of God and expressing an ambition to become the world's only religion. Some of its adherents follow or advocate the practice of plural marriage, forced marriage, female circumcision, compulsory veiling of women, and censorship of non-Muslim magazines and media. Islam's teachings generally exhibit suspicion of the very idea of church-state separation. Other teachings, depending on context, can be held to exhibit a very strong dislike of other religions, as well as of heretical forms of Islam. Muslims in America, including members of the armed forces, have already been found willing to respond to orders issued by foreign terrorist organizations. Most disturbingly, no authority within the faith appears to have the power to rule decisively that such practices, or such teachings, or such actions, are definitely and utterly in conflict with the precepts of the religion itself.
Reactions from even "moderate" Muslims to criticism are not uniformly reassuring. "Some of what people are saying in this mosque controversy is very similar to what German media was saying about Jews in the 1920s and 1930s," Imam Abdullah Antepli, Muslim chaplain at Duke University, told (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/us/06muslims.html) the New York Times. Yes, we all recall the Jewish suicide bombers of that period, as we recall the Jewish yells for holy war, the Jewish demands for the veiling of women and the stoning of homosexuals, and the Jewish burning of newspapers that published cartoons they did not like. What is needed from the supporters of this very confident faith is more self-criticism and less self-pity and self-righteousness.
Those who wish that there would be no mosques in America have already lost the argument: Globalization, no less than the promise of American liberty, mandates that the United States will have a Muslim population of some size. The only question, then, is what kind, or rather kinds, of Islam it will follow. There's an excellent chance of a healthy pluralist outcome, but it's very unlikely that this can happen unless, as with their predecessors on these shores, Muslims are compelled to abandon certain presumptions that are exclusive to themselves. The taming and domestication of religion is one of the unceasing chores of civilization. Those who pretend that we can skip this stage in the present case are deluding themselves and asking for trouble not just in the future but in the immediate present.

Hitchens makes sense to me

09-13-2010, 02:07 PM
Why I left Christianity....
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~slocks/why.htm (http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/%7Eslocks/why.htm)

Why Christians Convert To Islam....

Scott Rosen
09-13-2010, 05:16 PM
People convert to and from religions all the time. No doubt you can find converts from any religion who would be more than happy to trash the faith of their fathers.

Duncan Gibbs
09-13-2010, 06:25 PM
Exactly Scott!

Whilst I am an atheist and subscribe to Dawkin's perspective that religion is actually all bunkum, I'm also a realist - religion ain't going anywhere in a hurry - and would prefer that people who do hold faith follow the moderate, secular branches of each religion.