Swedish workboats

[John Rowse]

I am looking for plans or photos for construction of a boat similar to Elly as described in several articles in WoodenBoat over the years. Most recent article was a cover story in WB# 162. My attempts to reach a contact in Sweden have gone unanswered. William Gilkerson, the owner of Elly, has no suggestions other that the contact I tried in Sweden. There are two books about similar boats, Blixten and Kagen. Does anyone out there have a copy they might sell or loan. HELP

John Rowse

[Dave Fleming]

The following is a copy of a posting that Forum member Pekka Hutta made to the rec.boats.building news group not too long ago.

There are several plans for different koster designs at Axel Gustafsson's
boat designs http://surf.to/boat.design/ (straight link to the plans is
http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-21404/boats/list.html )

In Finland there are several boatbuilders still building these. There is a
very famous boat series called "Scylla", wooden clincker-built boats,
which are a very succesfull combination of traditional Koster and North
Sea lifeboat by Colin Archer. There are over 70 of them built, the one at
the boatyard today is number 73.

There are three sizes of these Scylla-boats, from 8,7 m to 9,6 m. The
newest one, which is being built at the moment is 10,6 m long and the
first of that size.

Unfortunately there is very few good photos of those boats in net, the
only ones that I know are at

http://www.pss.fi/oxu/scylla.htm and
http://www.puuvene.net/Lehti/1995-4/Nalle_Pu.html

The designer of these boats can be contacted at

Sado Marin
Nyberg Bjorn
Lankoorintie 106
29120 VERKKORANTA
Finland

As many old-timers, Bjorn Nyberg doesn't have an e-mail address. He and
his son build two boats a year and another builder Ismo Lilja one boat per
year.

A Koster is quite common boat around the Finnish coast and there are at
least thirty-something boatbuilders around the Finnish coastline, who
could build you one.

I hope this was of some help.

Best regards,

Pekka Huhta
editor of Puuvene.net, a Finnish online woodenboat magazine at
http://www.puuvene.net
(unfortunately the magazine is only in Finnish, but have a look at the
photos anyway...)
--
http://www.puuvene.net/phuhta/

[Roger Stouff]

What Dave said.

I've been on a long, fruitless search for a boat like Elly for a long while myself. I think that Gustaffson's plans are the closest, but not exact. If you're a better builder than I am, you could get a copy of "Wooden Boat Designs" by Christian Nielsen, it's all Danish workboats but many of them are very, very much Elly. No offsets but lots of linesplans and a few construction details.

Here's another post to look at for more info:

Elly post (http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=003612)

[imported_Ola Sylwan]

Is this what you are looking for?
http://www.algonet.se/~vagspel/bog.jpg
http://www.algonet.se/~vagspel/

http://hem1.passagen.se/syfalken/pics/Syfalken.jpg
http://hem1.passagen.se/syfalken/index1.htm

See also:
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003922

[Wild Dingo]

HEY!!! THAT was one I definantly MISSED!~~~ :mad:

Even old Roger didnt hook me onto that one! :eek:

Did anyone else notice the figurehead on the wall?... excellent... although she doesnt show on the finished boat??

Man those guys go way back into it dont they? not to many short cuts in that lot of pics!! :cool:

Mind you I definantly am not going to buy a set of those plans!! did you see all them squiggles?? oooohhh thats the words?! another failing of mine is monolinguistics... sigh

Thanks OlaS beautifull... and with all those photos in there I didnt even look at the squiggly words! :D

Take it easy
Shane

[Wild Dingo]

Buggar! Not one of those pages {other than Pekka site} works now! 3 years and zap gone :rolleyes: I wouldnt mind having another look at Axels site... there was another webpage along the same sort as his but well mmm has been 3 years since I visited these places

Anyone got updated site links?

[htom]

The Internet Wayback Machine sometimes has them.

www.archive.org (http://www.archive.org) ; note that you enter the address of the page you want, not a search string, and highlite the part of the address after the h t t p : / / as that's already in the find box. You're then given a page showing all of the pages that it knows that were at that address, and when.

Sadly, it doesn't save everything.

[JimM]

The Northwest School of Wooden Boat Building built a replica of Bill Gilkerson's Elly. Woodenboat Volume 177 page 17. The boat was launched last spring. They build the hull deck and house. I understand that the interior hasn't been finished for the present. Designer is Jim Franken. I don't have an address for the designer. the Northwest School of Wooden Boat Building has a web site with additional information. Swedish Kog (http://www.nwboatschool.org/updated.htm#Kag)

Jim McGee

[Tristan]

See if you can find a copy of "Allmogebatar, Svenskt batbygge under hundra ar" by Alvar Zacke and Magnus Hagg. It was published by Natur och Kultur in 1973.
This book has boats ( drawings, construction details, some lines) from all over Sweden. If you can give me a type (for example, "snippa" or "eka") and a snail mail address I'll try to find it and copy any lines, etc. for you. Har det so bra.

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by John Rowse:
I am looking for plans or photos for construction of a boat similar to Elly as described in several articles in WoodenBoat over the years. Most recent article was a cover story in WB# 162. My attempts to reach a contact in Sweden have gone unanswered. William Gilkerson, the owner of Elly, has no suggestions other that the contact I tried in Sweden. There are two books about similar boats, Blixten and Kagen. Does anyone out there have a copy they might sell or loan. HELP

John RowseI really hate to say this, but the ELLY, as beautiful as she is is actually nothing special over here. This kind of boat is not a swedish invention but a typical boat-design throughout the whole Baltic, Snekke, Smakke, Sjekte, Snekkerstenjolle, Shokker....all of those designs are more or less based on viking-boat designs.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/p1fbfbb6ef7cc7b5a026e438656a12e52/fc74a7e4.jpg

A Smakke-Jolle (actually the sail is called a Smakke meaning square cloth

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/p880a6640f4220684a73e9a53325f0d29/fc74a7e7.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/pad90c7add65cadd470d5afcf22cae4d6/fc74a7ea.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid56/p4144ea9bd4181195cbc56ea2c3ef8eb0/fc72be2d.jpg

An Kadre-jolle

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid64/pf234750d989fd8fdda652d43fee6775f/fc0297fd.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid64/p8c559d898e60f17367af1392d316bdad/fc02980c.jpg

http://www.gaffelsegler.de/images/schiffsbilder/else.jpg

This is the ELSE AF SLETTEN, a Bornholm Heringboat. She is about the size of ELLY

[ 04-14-2005, 06:14 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[martin schulz]

http://www.tallship-fan.de/images/segl268a.jpg

This is the VAAR. She is cravel-built but nevertheless has the same lines as ELSE (except being much more narrow). VAAR is a Bornholm Salmoncutter

[ 04-14-2005, 06:23 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[Russ Manheimer]

Martin,

I don't know how I missed this thread but it's full of cousins to my Sjogin. Maybe you can shed some light her ancestry. Based on your comments above she seems to be a common type in the Baltic. Any thoughts as to her designer?

Here's a picture of Sjogin and a link to my first post describing her:

http://static.flickr.com/14/15806982_50e6767e53.jpg

First Post (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=004407)

Here's a link to more photos:

Sjogin Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjogin/sets/61236/)

Thanks for posting all of these great double ender pictures here and on the Elly thread.

Russ

[JimD]

Russ, just wanted to add my compliments on your boat

[snaeek]

I have built many boats like these. Its nice to see people intrested in such boats.If anybody needs any help please call

[Paul Stohlman]

Jim Franken of Port Townsend drew his interpretation, and a boat was built by the Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding a few years ago.

Perhaps you can contact them.

[snaeek]

I have planes for such a boat.

[Tom Jackson]

See also:
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