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Larks
08-10-2010, 12:10 AM
I'd be interested to know how this would go down in the States, or anywhere else in Australia for that matter. While one young bloke gets in strife for preaching on a street corner (which I see no problem with, each to their own...) and was arrested for "breaching the peace" (as opposed to preaching the peace) a judge here on the Gold Coast has declared that using the "N" word or the "Sand N" term is no longer considered derogatory. Check this story out:

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/08/10/246085_crime-and-court-news.html

Now I'm the first to say that I'm a bit tired of the ever more sanitised society that we are living in and all of the political correctness that we are subjected to, but maybe a bit of moderation of a blokes language in this day and age wouldn't go astray.

Ian McColgin
08-10-2010, 12:24 AM
The advantage of people using such language is that they make their racism impossible to disguise. They are just a simpler version of some of the hateful folk we hear on the radio, see falsifying material for internet racism, and even see on the this Forum. In general, people like that do not change their minds or hearts, but if they do it is not in response to reason or learning. Rather, it's due to some life-altering experience. So it's not worth engaging in argument with them to change their mind, though it is often worth responding to what they say to influence others and to undermine the dispicable prejudice they promote.

purri
08-10-2010, 12:26 AM
Note the suburb; Labrador (QLD).

PeterSibley
08-10-2010, 12:30 AM
The magistrate got that one completely A about Greg .

brad9798
08-10-2010, 12:32 AM
The N word ... and the Sand N word are not really cool ... :(

Larks
08-10-2010, 01:02 AM
Note the suburb; Labrador (QLD).

Note the state.......I have to admit that I never really like to tell anyone that I live in Queensland, whereas I used to be quite proud to say that I lived in the NT.

PeterSibley
08-10-2010, 01:04 AM
There's nothing wrong with Queensland ...... in general .

The Bigfella
08-10-2010, 01:26 AM
It just hit the Oz.... which added



The case comes after a judge in the Queensland city of Townsville ruled last Thursday that it was acceptable for people to tell police officers to "f*** off."

Townsville judge Peter Smid threw out a case against Bardon Kaitira, 28, who swore at a female officer outside a nightclub on December 20 last year in the early hours of the morning.

Judge Smid said: "The defendant spoke normally, he had his hands in his pockets and walked away. It's not the most polite way of speaking but those who walk the beat would be quite immune to the words."

Glen Longino
08-10-2010, 01:28 AM
The N word ... and the Sand N word are not really cool ... :(


Nope!

The Bigfella
08-10-2010, 01:34 AM
Not in the slightest.

nw_noob
08-10-2010, 01:37 AM
The advantage of people using such language is that they make their racism impossible to disguise. They are just a simpler version of some of the hateful folk we hear on the radio, see falsifying material for internet racism, and even see on the this Forum. In general, people like that do not change their minds or hearts, but if they do it is not in response to reason or learning. Rather, it's due to some life-altering experience. So it's not worth engaging in argument with them to change their mind, though it is often worth responding to what they say to influence others and to undermine the dispicable prejudice they promote.


Thank you Ian. I couldn't have said it better myself. You spelled out exactly why libertarian minded people fight for free speech. Racists should go be racists over there. They should also put a neon sign over their heads while they do that. I'll be elsewhere.

The Bigfella
08-10-2010, 01:45 AM
I had an interesting discussion about racism with the night receptionist at the guesthouse in Hanoi.

He asked about the people in Australia who threw things. We got to the word Aborigine (some prefer to describe Australian Aboriginals as "traditional owners", but that's where my Vietnamese friend got to).... and it seemed that his view was based on seeing Aborigines with boomerangs, ie throwing things. He asked if there was racism between people in Australia and I hope I was right in saying that I didn't see a lot of it. I've seen more racism in this country between Japanese and Koreans than I have between most fellow Australians.

Art Read
08-10-2010, 05:05 AM
Words are simply words. Using particular ones in order to threaten, intimidate or humiliate another person only reveals your own lack of character. Outlawing them, or even recognizing them as powerful cultural taboos simply makes them more divisive and effective. Ridiculing them with laughter and usurping them for your own use is far more effective. That's one thing I think "gangsta rap" got right. Us uptight New Englanders did the same thing with "yankee". Look it up.

"To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who still uses an outhouse."

E.B. White

(Hell, we even have a venerable, much loved, regional, little magazine called... you guessed it... Yankee (http://www.yankeemagazine.com/)!!)

BarnacleGrim
08-10-2010, 05:16 AM
I've always said, let the racists shout loudly from the rooftops! Eventually someone will come along and kick them over the edge.

bobbys
08-10-2010, 11:05 AM
Every day if i watch TV i can hear a Black comedian shouting the N word..

I hear Rap songs with the N word .

Come on they should drop it to..

Seems Hippo critical to me.

OconeePirate
08-10-2010, 11:18 AM
"To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who still uses an outhouse."

E.B. White


I've never seen that before, good stuff.

Same with Jeff Foxworthy and the redneck thing. I still don't think anyone is down with being called white trash though.

I personally am trying to get the c-word into the same usage as the n-word.

pefjr
08-10-2010, 12:09 PM
Go down the US? just words, not a criminal offense. The words one uses is a direct reflection upon the user, whether it be the "n" word or just a poor vocabulary(my problem). Might be covered under a Civil Rights violation, depends on if some one's rights were restricted or stepped on?? Reminds me of the Mark Twain quotes,

"A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation".

The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.

Captain Blight
08-10-2010, 12:33 PM
I've never seen that before, good stuff.

Same with Jeff Foxworthy and the redneck thing. I still don't think anyone is down with being called white trash though.

I personally am trying to get the c-word into the same usage as the n-word.
Cracker? Well, I guess. Not being Southern, I don't recognize how that's so offensive, but if you say so.... William Gibson used the term "meshback" and I really like that. Neal Stephenson coined the word Sline (derived from baseline) but I don't reckon that'll ever catch on.

Tom Montgomery
08-10-2010, 04:20 PM
There is a member of my family who uses those two terms all the time. One for moslems and the other for the President of the U.S. It's ugly, but he is absolutely arrogant, self-righteous, and angry when challenged. So we gave up challenging him.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
08-10-2010, 05:51 PM
This is pretty much MY feeling on the "N" word.
Mr. Pryor had a way with words eh?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEVmAbxC14g

purri
08-10-2010, 09:07 PM
Use of such used to denote the user as a cracker. The Latin spelling is niger= black, nothing more.

OconeePirate
08-11-2010, 12:01 AM
Cracker? Well, I guess. Not being Southern, I don't recognize how that's so offensive, but if you say so.... William Gibson used the term "meshback" and I really like that. Neal Stephenson coined the word Sline (derived from baseline) but I don't reckon that'll ever catch on.

If I'm using cracker its no more offensive than when rappers use the word nigga. When some black kid on the school bus calls my son a cracker it probably has a different intent. I had trouble explaining that to his principal. When the drunk guy in line behind me starts ranting about having to stand in line behind "some f'in cracka" and "why this white boy in my neighborhood?" he probably means it offensively.

On the other hand I could draw ire down on myself simply for walking down my street singing the lyrics to the same songs my neighbors are blasting from their car stereos.

The way I see it the problem isn't that someone is using random words to cause me grief, its that they feel the need to cause me grief. I don't really see the need in being expected to take shyte from anyone.

I have a whole collection of slurs for white folks I've been working on. Seat sliders, cheese eaters, sweater wearers, chalkies (borrowed that one from Squidbillies), lip biters, umm.... wait until I've had time to drink a few, then I'll remember some more.

I often manage to come off as an angry white male but for the most part I tend to be a general misanthrope.

I do have interest in the etymology of various racial slurs. Some are rather simplistic, like purri pointed out. Others are more complicated. I've heard so many explanations of cracker that I'm not sure where it comes from. I've never ran across an explanation of the H-word.

And then you've got all the ones used to describe various immigrants. Does the w-word really come from With Out Papers? 'cause if so that's pretty random.

For what its worth, anyone who is overly worried about race and pure blood and all that garbage needs to remember that we all have a few cantaloupes in the woodpile.

pefjr
08-11-2010, 12:19 AM
I've heard so many explanations of cracker that I'm not sure where it comes from. The first I heard it used was about 58 or so, as a kid of 12 , when I was taken to see the Atlanta Crackers baseball team before the Braves moved from Milwaukee.

OconeePirate
08-11-2010, 12:25 AM
The first I heard it used was about 58 or so, as a kid of 12 , when I was taken to see the Atlanta Crackers baseball team before the Braves moved from Milwaukee.

Don't forget that, pre-Jackie Robinson, there was also an Atlanta Black Crackers.

purri
08-11-2010, 06:09 AM
From colonial Pomglish: "Worthy Oriental Gentleman"

brad9798
08-13-2010, 08:25 PM
Every day if i watch TV i can hear a Black comedian shouting the N word..

I hear Rap songs with the N word .

Come on they should drop it to..

AGREED!

I don't like it AT ALL ... but I do NOT believe in DOUBLE standards

Garret
08-13-2010, 09:18 PM
Words are simply words. Using particular ones in order to threaten, intimidate or humiliate another person only reveals your own lack of character. Outlawing them, or even recognizing them as powerful cultural taboos simply makes them more divisive and effective. Ridiculing them with laughter and usurping them for your own use is far more effective. That's one thing I think "gangsta rap" got right. Us uptight New Englanders did the same thing with "yankee". Look it up.

"To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who still uses an outhouse."

E.B. White

(Hell, we even have a venerable, much loved, regional, little magazine called... you guessed it... Yankee (http://www.yankeemagazine.com/)!!)

And here I thought a Yankee was a drill....;-)

purri
08-14-2010, 06:08 AM
As for the cracker remark my point was that the mispronunciation of niger (pron. nyger) deemed the user as uneducated.

Years ago I remember a small drill bit/ holesaw used to drill through hull orifices for small skin fittings being described as being a "yankee" bit. I think because as the hole was so small you couldn't pass any coins through it (aka tightarsed)

Garret
08-14-2010, 06:46 AM
Years ago I remember a small drill bit/ holesaw used to drill through hull orifices for small skin fittings being described as being a "yankee" bit. I think because as the hole was so small you couldn't pass any coins through it (aka tightarsed)

It's actually a push drill (though many a Yankee is so tight he squeaks when he walks):

http://www.oldtoolsnstuff.com/Yankeedrillmain.jpg

skuthorp
08-14-2010, 07:21 AM
Seeing were intoi thread drift, I have 3 "Yankee drivers", just the thing before cordless drills.

Gerald
08-14-2010, 07:28 AM
In my opinion the US spin on the black race just plain sucks. According to Wikipedia dictionary blacks make up 14% of the US population and in Brasil blacks make up 6.84%. In Americans eyes more than half the people here are black. So why is that in the US if you have almost any percentage of black African blood you are considered black? Why isnīt T. Woods considered Asian?