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Peerie Maa
08-03-2010, 06:08 AM
Hi Syed,
You still OK? I don't know Pakistan's geography that well (obviously) but I know that Lahore is on a major river, and the forecast is for more heavy rain.
Stay safe.

Syed
08-03-2010, 07:14 AM
Thank you, Peerie Maa

Lahore is on the bank of river Ravi and so far there is no flood in this river. Presently, Pakistan's northern part and downstream central area is affected by floods. Lahore is extreme East of Pakistan. Large cities of subcontinent are time tested and small towns and villages are worst affected by flood like calamities, that obviously does not mean that those are out of nature's reach.
So far so good.
Thanks for your concern.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
08-03-2010, 07:20 AM
Good point!

Out of consideration for the misfortunes raining on Pakistan at the moment, we shall forbear to discuss the First Test*... better luck starting this Friday...hope the President has time to watch.

*well, we shall almost forbear...http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/fds/hi/statistics/cricket/scorecards/2010/7/85618/html/scorecard.stm

seanz
08-03-2010, 07:29 AM
Glad to hear your part of the country is fine; Syed. The footage on the late news was a bit disturbing.....Swat has had a very rough run of things.



I don't know Pakistan's geography that well


Spend some time on Wikipedia....I thought NZ had geography but compared to Pakistan we've got nothing. The river that is flooding (I think I found the right one) drains into Afghanistan.

Syed
08-03-2010, 07:40 AM
There is river Kabul flowing from Afghanistan to Pakistan, a small tributary of river Indus. I don't think there is any worth mentioning river flowing from Pakistan to Afghanistan.

Syed
08-03-2010, 07:43 AM
...hope the President has time to watch.
...............................

That will mean a definite defeat. ;)

seanz
08-03-2010, 07:45 AM
Where/what does the Swat river flow into?

Peerie Maa
08-03-2010, 07:52 AM
Where/what does the Swat river flow into?

Wiki is our friend. It flows into the Kabul river, which as Syed states joins the Indus in the Punjab.

Syed
08-03-2010, 08:17 AM
A good part of Swat river is not visible on map because it spreads into very small branches before falling into river Kabul. I think that may have caused a bit of confusion.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
08-03-2010, 09:00 AM
That will mean a definite defeat. ;)

I see you have the same rules that we do! ;)

Seriously it must have been an awful bore playing the Aussies in England.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
08-03-2010, 09:06 AM
A good part of Swat river is not visible on map because it spreads into very small branches before falling into river Kabul. I think that may have caused a bit of confusion.

Ah, yes, Swat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swat_(princely_state)

Shah Ismail (1789-1831) and Sayyid Ahmed Barelvi (1786-1831), specifically, are pivotal figures in the memory and history of Swat.1 (http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/homistan/the_akond_of_swat.html#footnote_0_1347) In the late 1820s, they waged a religious war against Ranjit Singh’s forces for the control of Peshawar. They succeeded briefly, declared themselves an emirate where the creed of Muhammad held sway, and were swept away in 1831 – killed in battle. Shah Ismail and Sayyid Ahmed, though defeated, emerged as an integral part of the narrative of anti-imperialism. But not simply for their militant struggle for the establishment of an Islamic polity, they came to represent a profound connection to the revivalist thought of nineteenth century Muslims in India. Shah Ismail was the grandson of Shah Waliullah (http://www.storyofpakistan.com/person.asp?perid=P064) – the progenitor of the deobandis, who have continued to enjoy a wide following in NWFP. I know that it is more fashionable nowadays to connect Shah Waliullah to Abdul Wahhab and build an argument about some unitary “fundamentalist” strain of Islamic thought – but, it is a wrong notion. There are crucial difference, not only in history but in the theological arguments underlining deobandi and wahabbi ideologies of revivalist Islam. The deobandi, in particular, combined the idea of a polity based on Islamic Shar’ia and free from foreign influences with a more quixotic attempts to “migrate” or “settle” a Caliphate in Afghanistan. (The migration of thousands of Muslims to Afghanistan in 1920 needs recent historical attention.)

Who, or why, or which, or what, Is the Akond of SWAT?

Is he tall or short, or dark or fair?
Does he sit on a stool or a sofa or a chair,
or SQUAT,
The Akond of Swat?

Is he wise or foolish, young or old?
Does he drink his soup and his coffee cold,
or HOT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he sing or whistle, jabber or talk,
And when riding abroad does he gallop or walk
or TROT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he wear a turban, a fez, or a hat?
Does he sleep on a mattress, a bed, or a mat,
or COT,
The Akond of Swat?

When he writes a copy in round-hand size,
Does he cross his T's and finish his I's
with a DOT,
The Akond of Swat?

Can he write a letter concisely clear
Without a speck or a smudge or smear
or BLOT,
The Akond of Swat?

Do his people like him extremely well?
Or do they, whenever they can, rebel,
or PLOT,
At the Akond of Swat?

If he catches them then, either old or young,
Does he have them chopped in pieces or hung,
or SHOT,
The Akond of Swat?

Do his people prig in the lanes or park?
Or even at times, when days are dark,
GAROTTE,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he study the wants of his own dominion?
Or doesn't he care for public opinion
a JOT,
The Akond of Swat?

To amuse his mind do his people show him
Pictures, or any one's last new poem,
or WHAT,
For the Akond of Swat?

At night if he suddenly screams and wakes,
Do they bring him only a few small cakes,
or a LOT,
For the Akond of Swat?

Does he live on turnips, tea, or tripe?
Does he like his shawl to be marked with a stripe,
or a DOT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he like to lie on his back in a boat
Like the lady who lived in that isle remote,
SHALLOTT,
The Akond of Swat?

Is he quiet, or always making a fuss?
Is his steward a Swiss or a Swede or Russ,
or a SCOT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does like to sit by the calm blue wave?
Or to sleep and snore in a dark green cave,
or a GROTT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he drink small beer from a silver jug?
Or a bowl? or a glass? or a cup? or a mug?
or a POT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he beat his wife with a gold-topped pipe,
When she let the gooseberries grow too ripe,
or ROT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he wear a white tie when he dines with friends,
And tie it neat in a bow with ends,
or a KNOT.
The Akond of Swat?

Does he like new cream, and hate mince-pies?
When he looks at the sun does he wink his eyes,
or NOT,
The Akond of Swat?

Does he teach his subjects to roast and bake?
Does he sail about on an inland lake
in a YACHT,
The Akond of Swat?

Some one, or nobody, knows I wot
Who or which or why or what
Is the Akond of Swat?

Syed
08-03-2010, 09:11 AM
A map for Sean; http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/txu-oclc-8322829-g_6.jpg

Andrew Craig-Bennett
08-03-2010, 09:34 AM
Good map, that.

seanz
08-04-2010, 02:32 AM
A map for Sean; http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/txu-oclc-8322829-g_6.jpg

What did they do? Cover a few countries in paper and take a tracing? That map is huge! :)


I do need lessons though......and I need to be reminded never to attempt Geography when I'm up past my bed-time. ;)

The Swat joins the Kabul in Pakistan. There I said it. :)



A good part of Swat river is not visible on map because it spreads into very small branches before falling into river Kabul.



Is it a braided river (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braided_river)? Or is it too far from the Himalayas?

Syed
08-04-2010, 08:44 AM
Or is it too far from the Himalayas?

It is closer to Hindu Kush (http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.php?object_id=180975) mountain range.