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ripley699
07-31-2010, 02:00 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100731/ap_on_go_co/us_waters_ethics

NOW,,,That is " one stupid bit#h " !!!
She will take a reprimand and walk....Too bad ,too. If ever there was someone who deserved to go to jail !!

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ripley699
07-31-2010, 02:25 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/30/rep-maxine-waters-chooses-ethics-trial/

RonW
07-31-2010, 06:27 AM
NOW,,,That is " one stupid bit#h " !!!

yep..

Liberals aren't having a good year....

Robmill0605
07-31-2010, 07:08 AM
I guess her "chickens" are coming home to roost?
What else would you expect from this idiot.



“And guess what this liberal will be all about? This liberal will be all about socializing, uh, uh… would be about basically about taking over the government running all of your companies.”

and oh yeah, at the same time I'll be making me some folding money on your companies.

Phillip Allen
07-31-2010, 07:17 AM
it seems like we've had a lot of these exposures in the last few years...what gives? (I seriously doubt there has been an increase in the corruption rate for quite a while)

RonW
07-31-2010, 07:32 AM
we've had a lot of these exposures in the last few years...what gives?

Simple....americans have come to the conclusion that we have a failed Government.

Banks are failing, the economy is in a real mess, fdic is broke so don't count on them paying you your secure deposits back when the bank fails.

Social security is way past broke and missmanged.And on and on..

These are a few of the idiots that have and are doing it..

They have becomed so corrupt that they think they are untouchable..

Phillip Allen
07-31-2010, 08:18 AM
Simple....americans have come to the conclusion that we have a failed Government.

Banks are failing, the economy is in a real mess, fdic is broke so don't count on them paying you your secure deposits back when the bank fails.

Social security is way past broke and missmanged.And on and on..



These are a few of the idiots that have and are doing it..

They have becomed so corrupt that they think they are untouchable..

Too big to fail?

RonW
07-31-2010, 08:25 AM
Too big to fail?

That is what they said about the roman empire, the british empire, and so on.

Black-Jack
07-31-2010, 08:49 AM
heres a good one of the honorable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLeSNNntRc0&feature=related

and another- shes a genius

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3I-PVVowFY&feature=related

ljb5
07-31-2010, 09:50 AM
What a boring scandal.

She helped to arrange a meeting between regulators and bank executives?

Where are the million dollar bribes, the fancy yachts, the billion dollar contracts and the prostitutes?

Duke Cunningham sneezes bigger scandals than this. :rolleyes:

Captain Blight
07-31-2010, 11:55 AM
Oh, her.

Yep, she's a looneybin pantload. No idea how she ever got elected or lasted this long, even accounting for the California bias.

SMARTINSEN
07-31-2010, 01:05 PM
She almost cancels out Michelle Bachman.

24hacker
07-31-2010, 01:27 PM
She should be booted out of office just because she is REALLY stupid!!

RonW
07-31-2010, 03:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3I-P...eature=related

Well she pretty well summed it up in this one...

The socialists wants to take over all the companies and run them..

Maybe obama could make maxine C.E.O. of ,,, oh let's say G.E...why not..

Could it possibly be the socialis and progressives are just plain old greedy control freaks....

JBreeze
07-31-2010, 04:58 PM
What a boring scandal.

She helped to arrange a meeting between regulators and bank executives?

Where are the million dollar bribes, the fancy yachts, the billion dollar contracts and the prostitutes?

Duke Cunningham sneezes bigger scandals than this. :rolleyes:

At first glance, this appears to be nothing, as you suggest. But Massachusetts's dear old Barney Frank was involved:

"...Mr. Frank, by his own account, wrote into the TARP bill a provision specifically aimed at helping this particular home-state bank. And later, he acknowledges, he spoke to regulators urging that OneUnited be considered for a cash injection.

These efforts were made despite the FDIC and Massachusetts bank regulatory officials alleging that poor lending practices and executive-compensation abuses contributed to the failure of the bank. Barney Frank justified his actions, in part, by citing the bank as the state's only financial institution owned by African-Americans...."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/07/maxine_waters_in_ethics_troubl.html

Rangel and Waters appear to be undermining their party's positioning going into the election season by fighting the charges.

Cuyahoga Chuck
07-31-2010, 07:17 PM
If Shirley Angle makes it to the US Senate Waters will look like a veritble genious.

RonW
07-31-2010, 07:32 PM
Chuck says---genious.

I had to look that one up in the dick-chin-nair-ree

That ain't like you chuck, are you feeling O.K. I am glad to see that you finally put the G and W back on your keyboard..
It only took close to 2 years.

If, If, If, you know what If means? It means IF a frog had wings he wouldn't keep bumping his ass.

Now you can't keep defending these people no matter what they do.

You don't see me defending these corrupt treasonous repubs do you. Hell no some of them ought to be hung.

Now come on and admit, some of these dems are just bad people, go ahead and admit it, get it off your chest and you will feel a lot better..

RonW
07-31-2010, 07:49 PM
I am not whining..

I have been trying to tell you for months that we need to join forces and start one big neck tie party..

And that is exactly what congress is scared to death of.

They want to keep us divided and fighting amongst ourselves while they go about their daily rountine of robbing and pillaging of america..

United we shall stand and divided we shall surely hang.

ljb5
07-31-2010, 08:14 PM
The socialists wants to take over all the companies and run them..

Maybe obama could make maxine C.E.O. of ,,, oh let's say G.E...why not..

Let us know if that actually happens --- you know in reality. Until then, that's just your own vapid, baseless speculation. :rolleyes:




"...Mr. Frank, by his own account, wrote into the TARP bill a provision specifically aimed at helping this particular home-state bank. And later, he acknowledges, he spoke to regulators urging that OneUnited be considered for a cash injection.

Yes, that was the purpose of TARP. TARP was a Bush-administration program in which certain banks received cash infusions to protect them (and their investors) from losses caused by poor lending practices.

Duh.

Many banks received hundreds of billions of dollars from Bush and his SecTreas, Pauslon.

Other than the involvement and Frank, what makes you think this one was any different?

Lew Barrett
07-31-2010, 08:17 PM
They want to keep us divided and fighting amongst ourselves while they go about their daily rountine of robbing and pillaging of america..

United we shall stand and divided we shall surely hang.

I am not entirely sure who "they" are but passing on that for a moment I find the rest of your proposition quite reasonable and amenable. Maybe we could develop a discourse of agreement wherein we come up with the ten or a dozen points that display a harmony of purpose and take it from there.

But that could be easier said than done.

Anyway, we could start outlining our mutual concerns and attempt to see if some reasonable order might be brought forth as a list.

I'll start with this land war we have going on in Asia.

RonW
07-31-2010, 08:33 PM
I'll start with this land war we have going on in Asia.

Sounds fair, so you want my opinion...

When one of our last good presidents was leaving office (Eisenhower) he warned the american people of a growing military complex that was not needed and would consume too much of america. I suspect he was in a very good position to know what he was talking about. And then we had viet nam, and so forth and so on.
I see no reason why the U.S. should be the police force of the world. My foreign policy would be simple, be a good neighbor and leave them alone and they had damm well better leave us alone. I would pull all of the military back to the U.S. and to hell with the rest of the world..real plain english..

My turn...

What about national debt and defeceit spending? The U.S. has roughly a 2 & 1/2 trillion annual budget, and so far this year obama is over budgeted by 1 & 1/2 trillion bringing the debt to a little over 13 trillion.. now what?

JBreeze
07-31-2010, 08:35 PM
Let us know if that actually happens --- you know in reality. Until then, that's just your own vapid, baseless speculation. :rolleyes:





Yes, that was the purpose of TARP. TARP was a Bush-administration program in which certain banks received cash infusions to protect them (and their investors) from losses caused by poor lending practices.

Duh.

Many banks received hundreds of billions of dollars from Bush and his SecTreas, Pauslon.

Other than the involvement and Frank, what makes you think this one was any different?

This is what is different for this "Boston" bank:

"...At the time, OneUnited was dealing with an investigation by bank regulators. In October, federal and state regulators entered into a "cease and desist" order with the bank, citing problems with inadequate capital, a failure to provide adequate supervision, and the bank's "excessive compensation, fees, and benefits to its senior executive officers." The bank, for example, was required to stop paying expenses related to a California beach home and to stop providing a bank-owned Porsche SUV to executives..."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/23/frank_tried_to_get_hub_bank_a_bailout/

"...It was the latest sign that the nation's largest black bank still holds sway with powerful politicians, despite a shrinking profile in Boston and financial troubles that brought a sharp rebuke by regulators. The bank has retreated from traditional urban lending, and in recent years has made few home loans in its Boston community, parts of which have been ravaged by subprime mortgages.

Among the handful of home loans OneUnited has made in the past few years were several to wealthy businessmen for upscale properties in the South End, Brookline, and even on Martha's Vineyard.

In 2005 and 2006, OneUnited made only nine home mortgages in Massachusetts, according to a regulatory report, and in 2007 just three mortgages across its markets in Boston, Los Angeles, and Miami - two of those loans on multifamily properties - according to a banking consultant who reviewed the loan portfolio..."

Duh

ljb5
07-31-2010, 08:43 PM
This is what is different for this "Boston" bank:

You didn't answer my question.

I asked how this bank was different than all the other poorly managed and under-performing banks that received bailouts while Bush was in office.

Did you sleep through all of 2008?

Did you not hear all the stories about all the big banks paying insane bonuses and having "inadequate capital"?

perldog007
07-31-2010, 11:31 PM
I guess you didn't hear about the ties between that bank and Waters' family. Did you sleep through all of that? :D

ljb5
08-01-2010, 12:02 AM
I guess you didn't hear about the ties between that bank and Waters' family. Did you sleep through all of that? :D

I'm certainly not trying to downplay the connection between Ms. Waters and this bank. That connection is so silly and tenuous as to not need any downplaying.

I just think it's very, very strange that anyone would pretend it's scandalous that TARP gave money to struggling banks.

The whole point of TARP was to give money to struggling banks. Every single bank that received TARP money had "inadequate capital."

That was the purpose and intent of TARP. You can't pretend like it's a scandal just because Barney Frank was involved. Every friggin' bank on the list had this problem. That's why they were on the list!

Glen Longino
08-01-2010, 12:54 AM
You're embarassing yourself, perldog!
Give it up!
Come back another day!

JBreeze
08-01-2010, 07:13 AM
I...'m certainly not trying to downplay the connection between Ms. Waters and this bank. That connection is so silly and tenuous as to not need any downplaying.

I just think it's very, very strange that anyone would pretend it's scandalous that TARP gave money to struggling banks.

The whole point of TARP was to give money to struggling banks. Every single bank that received TARP money had "inadequate capital."

That was the purpose and intent of TARP. You can't pretend like it's a scandal just because Barney Frank was involved. Every friggin' bank on the list had this problem. That's why they were on the list!

Was every bank that received TARP funds subject to a cease and desist order from the FDIC?

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/enforcement/2008-10-09.pdf

The Columbia Journalism Review seems to think the OneUnited wasn't eligible:

"...It focuses on the powerful Democrat Barney Frank, the Massachusetts congressman and chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, who intervened to get a home-state bank called OneUnited $12 million in TARP funds despite the fact that it didnít fit the requirements for that money....

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/wsj_peeks_under_the_tarp.php

ljb5
08-01-2010, 08:20 AM
Was every bank that received TARP funds subject to a cease and desist order from the FDIC?

I don't know --- and neither do you.

But I do know there were over 500 such orders issued to various banks all over the country in 2008 and 2009.

I also know that the entire purpose of TARP was to give money to banks in trouble. Therefore, I don't think it's surprising to discover that some of the TARP recipients were in trouble.

Having lived through the Bush era TARP program, I do remember that many, many banks on the list paid large bonuses, traded risky assets with poor oversight and were under-capitalized.

In 2004, the CEO of Goldman Sachs and other investment bankers asked the SEC to release the net capital rule. This allowed them to make bigger, riskier trades with less oversight. Goldman Sachs became a leading developer and promoter of Collateralized Debt Obligations.

Two years later, that CEO became Bush's Secretary of the Treasury. Two years later, he bailed out AIG.

Goldman Sachs, being the largest investor in AIG, was the largest beneficiary of the AIG bailout.

ljb5
08-01-2010, 08:27 AM
By the way, Jbreeze, it looks like you're confused about the timeline.

The meeting that Ms. Waters arranged was in Sept, 2008.

The Cease and Desist you just posted was dated October, 2008.

I suspect what happened is that the government decided to support the bank with TARP funds, but made the Cease and Desist a condition of the support.

Cuyahoga Chuck
08-01-2010, 09:24 AM
Chuck says---genious.

I had to look that one up in the dick-chin-nair-ree

That ain't like you chuck, are you feeling O.K. I am glad to see that you finally put the G and W back on your keyboard..
It only took close to 2 years.

If, If, If, you know what If means? It means IF a frog had wings he wouldn't keep bumping his ass.

Now you can't keep defending these people no matter what they do.

You don't see me defending these corrupt treasonous repubs do you. Hell no some of them ought to be hung.

Now come on and admit, some of these dems are just bad people, go ahead and admit it, get it off your chest and you will feel a lot better..

Thanks for the spelling lesson, mate. My 6th grade nun would give you a gold star.

ljb5
08-01-2010, 09:56 AM
Now you can't keep defending these people no matter what they do.

You don't see me defending these corrupt treasonous repubs do you. Hell no some of them ought to be hung.

Ron, there seems to be an issue of scale and proportion.

Ms. Waters allegedly arranged a meeting between a bank and regulators.

As a member of Congress during an economic crisis, arranging meetings with regulators kinda seems like part of her job, dontcha think?

On the other hand, President Reagan gave weapons to Iranian terrorists and then his successor pardoned the the people who did it.

Do you see the difference in magnitude?

perldog007
08-01-2010, 11:00 AM
I certainly see a difference in the nature of the offences outlined. Obviously distributing weapons to bad guys is more immediately dangerous than what Waters is accused of. Doesn't mean she shouldn't have done it.

ljb5
08-01-2010, 11:21 AM
Doesn't mean she shouldn't have done it.

It would be interesting to have a factual discussion about what she actually did and what she should have done differently.

"Arranged meeting with regulators" kinda seems like the responsible thing for a member of Congress to do during a crisis.

Apparently, this bank was in need of regulation and she helped to get it regulated. That part, at least, seems to be pretty reasonable and appropriate.

It definitely wasn't the only bank in need of regulation; there were hundreds of banks failing at the time. Many received government assistance.

I'm curious to discover why this bank is a scandal while all the hundreds of other banks were not.

Secretary Paulson was the CEO of Goldman Sachs. He is worth about $700,000,000, mostly due to his relationship with GS.

perldog007
08-01-2010, 12:26 PM
That would be the personal relation with the bank. That's what the ethics allegations are based on. The question is did the relationship have any bearing on the conduct of Waters towards the bank. Was there favouritism? At this point it's a question. That's what investigations are for.

ljb5
08-01-2010, 02:13 PM
That would be the personal relation with the bank.

Yes, that might be a factor, or it might not. Her husband used to work on the Board of Directors, but did not, at the time of the meeting. He also may have had a relatively modest investment in the bank.

Earlier, when I asked what the issue was, some people here said the issues were (1) that the bank was in crisis and (2) that it was in Barney Frank's home state.

Neither of those issues are scandalous nor are they relevant to the ethics investigation.

If the headline here is "Member of Congress Tried to Help Bank," I'm not going to panic.

If all she did was arrange a meeting with regulators, it looks very flimsy indeed.

Captain Blight
08-01-2010, 02:35 PM
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Could it possibly be the socialis and progressives are just plain old greedy control freaks....Some are. Some racists are conservatives, too. Some progressives are fluent in Attic Greek; I'm not. Some conservatives are honorably discharged veterans of military service; so am I.

You are attempting to argue from the specific and make it stand in for the general. This is clearly sub-par. Try again, and try to do better next time.

RonW
08-01-2010, 02:40 PM
LBJ..you are right in that paulson is and was dirty...But I doubt that bush knew that. Just Like obama doesn't know how dirty and stupid his chief economic advisor larry summers is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Summers

And I bet obama would be shocked to know about timmy geitner, now what is timmy in charge of, and who put him there..

And I would bet anything that obama would never believe that bernake is being controlled by our friends at goldman sachs..

By the way tell us how much of the tarp funds, also known as taxpayers of america did A.I.G. redistribute to european banks..
I bet you can tell me that figure right off the top of your head..you did know that didn't you..?

Both sides are dirty and are stealing america blind, bush and obama being the worse.

And no it wasn't reagan, it was ollie north who traded, as he testified to under oath before congress. You do believe that don't you?

Captain Blight
08-01-2010, 02:48 PM
He's an Annopois grad and a Marine; of course I didn't believe him.

perldog007
08-01-2010, 03:49 PM
I saw Ollie North in Roanoke circa '93 or so. Can't tell you what ran through my mind.... I got no idea why he didn't go to jail with his box of pocket change and money from the puppies too...

Phillip Allen
08-01-2010, 03:57 PM
it seems that someone doesn't want this thread to discuss Ms. Waters...pretty good at changing the subject away from his accomplices...ain't he?

Captain Blight
08-01-2010, 03:59 PM
IF what he said was in fact true, he should have been imprisoned for mounting a separate foreign policy. Or, in other words, for mounting a coup. If he was doing what he was doing without consent or knowledge of the Executive Branch, then either Ronnie was just specacularly stupid (a possibility but unlikely) or Ollie was embroiled in something not too far away from treason.

RonW
08-01-2010, 04:02 PM
it seems that someone doesn't want this thread to discuss Ms. Waters...pretty good at changing the subject away from his accomplices...ain't he?

1- attack the messenger..

2- demand links.

3- criticize the spelling.

4-shout down opponent.

5-call names.

6- change subject

7-ignore issue at hand

8-start new thread..

Captain Blight
08-01-2010, 04:11 PM
I see you've been studying SamF's posts, Ron.

RonW
08-01-2010, 04:57 PM
I see you've been studying SamF's posts, Ron.

Nope actually norm and lbj...

Phillip Allen
08-01-2010, 05:46 PM
Nope actually norm and lbj...

I recognized lj right away

ljb5
08-01-2010, 09:57 PM
Actually, I'm the only one here who has tried to start a factual discussion about what Ms. Waters actually did.


That should be apparent to anyone who reads the thread.

Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

Why are you a liar, Phillip?

You have the option to tell the truth. Why don't you?

Glen Longino
08-01-2010, 10:53 PM
Actually, I'm the only one here who has tried to start a factual discussion about what Ms. Waters actually did.


That should be apparent to anyone who reads the thread.

Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

Why are you a liar, Phillip?

You have the option to tell the truth. Why don't you?

"Why don't you?"

Because Phillip hates your guts, El Jay!
You are the Anti-Phillip, and that Arky can't stand it.
Tickles the hell out of me watching his skin crawl every time you make a post.
Please keep on riding Phillip like a bad horse.

Cuyahoga Chuck
08-02-2010, 12:31 AM
Nope actually norm and lbj...

It's not obvious.

Robmill0605
08-04-2010, 07:09 AM
Funny how it's never a big deal if its a democrat.



http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/ID/53643&start=2987&end=3062

Phillip Allen
08-04-2010, 08:23 AM
Funny how it's never a big deal if its a democrat.



http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/ID/53643&start=2987&end=3062

entitlements

Saltiguy
08-04-2010, 10:31 AM
I like her and admired her since, many years ago she went very public about cocaine in Los Angeles. She asserted (and she was right) the elements of our government ( DEA, CIA?) set up the cocaine pipeline from Panama/Mexico and set up the gangs ( Bloods and Crypts) in the Coke business. Subsequently, these gangs wholesaled coke throughout Western America and well into the mid-west.
It took great courage for her to do that. She was right.

John Smith
08-04-2010, 10:48 AM
Simple....americans have come to the conclusion that we have a failed Government.

Banks are failing, the economy is in a real mess, fdic is broke so don't count on them paying you your secure deposits back when the bank fails.

Social security is way past broke and missmanged.And on and on..

These are a few of the idiots that have and are doing it..

They have becomed so corrupt that they think they are untouchable..

Why are we all so quick to equate charges with guilt? Here's an interesting look at this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#38547980

RonW
08-14-2010, 02:21 PM
I think a lot of you have jumped too quickly in accusing maxine....We know now that it was BUSH:s fault...yep bush did it..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/rep-waters-violated-house-rules/?test=latestnews