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[Dee]

Can't seem to find any info about Karl Stambaughs' MIST, as advised.

Anyone know any pics-info??

Dee

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[PugetSound]

Plenty of people have built Redwing. Check out "Redwing" on the net or go to "Duckworks" magazine (Duckworks + Redwing). All reports indicate that it is a very nice and economical boat. Also, Woodenboat magazine has had at least one picture in the "Launchings" column (pull the thread...) and they also sell the plans....

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[SSACKLOW]

Dee..check out www.thelittleboatshop.com (http://www.thelittleboatshop.com) they have a very extensive selection of Redwings on line. I have just received delivery of one of their boats, a 20'6" Redwing which was altered to have an extended cockpit and shortend cabin. The boat is powered by a ray 48Volt electric outboard..look under whats new..2001 launchings..could not be happier

[Stephen Hutchins]

If my memory serves me.. Pretty little trailer-cruiser. built of plywood, gaff rig, LWL 19'6" Disp. aprox 1800 lbs. -I think you can find a profile view online at the woodenboatstore

[Mike Keers]

Karl has study plans and study prints for most, if not all his designs. The study plans are $5 (except for some of the larger boats) and the study prints are between $7 and $30. MIST is $19.50.

The study plans are little more than the profile views and arrangements he shows on his website. The study prints are several pages of the actual blueprints.

I'm building his 28-foot Puffin Diesel Cruiser. I was a bit put off by his tactics. After I saw the $5 study plan was a bit of a rip-off (to my mind), I ordered the $28 study plans. These turned out to be three of the five pages of actual blueprints...the lines and offsets and another page were what was not included (of course).

But when I purchased the actual plans, at $240, I asked if I would get a discount for the pages already purchased, and he said no...so I ended up essentially paying $240 for the offsets and lines, and ended up with two copies of three of the other pages. Many designers will take the price of the study prints off the cost of the full plan set. Why pay twice for the same info and pages?

Except for some initial irritation, no harm done, as now I have "shop" copies I can make notes on and stuff, and save the real set for reference.

And speaking of his plans, I don't know about the samller boats, but on Puffin, the plans are VERY basic...certainly not for beginners. He is of the school that does not show much detail, he assumes you already know how to build. There is no information on construction details, electrical and mechanical systems, etc. You're on your own.

His support is spotty. He did respond to some questions mailed and emailed to him but not to others. My impression is I'm the first to build this boat, an older design, and he seems to have lost interest in it. Just my impressions from working with him for a year.

I suppose in the end I would consider building another of his designs, but a smaller one next time. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif

[Keith Wilson]

WB #107 had an article on Mist in the designs column, with good drawings, certainly as good as you'd get with the study sheets. Looked like a nice boat, FWIW.

Here's Chesapeake Marine Design's web site:
http://www.cmdboats.com/

BTW, it is entirely possible to get additional copies made from large prints, (even bluelines, if anyone still uses those) relatively cheaply. Many copy shops and all engineering graphics supply places will have the equipment (like a giant manually-fed Xerox machine) and I don't think D-size copies are more than a couple of bucks each. IMHO, it's entirely legitimate, if you paid for the plans, to make a couple of extra copies to use in the shop.

[Dee]

Thanks, Stephen...will check it out.

[Dee]

Thanks, mike. Lots of good info.

I live in ME, and maybe I'll try to find a local designer of a similar boat. Might be better
support.

Thanks again.

Dee

[Tom Lathrop]

Devlin's Dipper is a similar size and performance boat. It is quite different in appearance but still classic lines. Has more interior with inside steering in a pilothouse. It is V bottom which would make it much easier riding in a chop where the Redwing would pound with its flat bottom. Both can be powered with a small outboard of 10HP or so.

[Dee]

Sounds great! Any idea where I can see it?

Dee (machudeechu@aol.com)


Originally posted by Tom Lathrop:
Devlin's Dipper is a similar size and performance boat. It is quite different in appearance but still classic lines. Has more interior with inside steering in a pilothouse. It is V bottom which would make it much easier riding in a chop where the Redwing would pound with its flat bottom. Both can be powered with a small outboard of 10HP or so.

[Tom Lathrop]

Sure, look at the drawings at:
http://www.devlinboat.com/dcdipper.htm

And a photo at:
http://www.devlinboat.com/dipper1.jpg

I have corresponded with a guy who is building a Dipper also. He would probably be willing to talk about it.

[Tom Lathrop]

I just noticed that there is a builder's photos and comments at:
http://www.devlinboat.com/homebuiltbrandl.htm

Looks like a nice little boat.

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[T.KAMILA]

Email me and I will give you info on how to get in touch with a person building Mist. I also have the plans to Mist. Almost built her.