Mikes boaton trailer..

[J. Dillon]

...ready for a splash. and a weighing






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What a beauty. All of Mikes heart and soul went into her construction. I bet some here would love to own her. Maybe he can be talked into a deal. Any one care to take a guess as to her "weight ?"

JD

[Figment]

1850#

Edit: NOT including the trailer or the piles of sand on the scale.

[Paul Pless]

3987.3 pounds including trailer :D

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Beautiful boat, nice job Mike.

[Thorne]

1 ton and a quarter with trailer. Lovely boat!

[L.W. Baxter]

1500 lbs., with motor, sans trailer.

Geez, she's handsome. And designed on the fly, eh?

[SMARTINSEN]

1000# Just the boat without the motor or trailer.

[Bill R]

Stunningly beautiful.

1900#'s, boat & motor.

[Hal Forsen]

Beautiful!

[Breakaway]

2860 lbs, boat, motor, trailer.

[gary porter]

2100 boat and motor.

Very nice looking boat..

Gary

[Dave Gray]

That is certainly a purty boat. Wild stab as to wieght - 2400 lbs?

[Ian Marchuk]

Thanks for posting this Jack. That Erster is way too shy and modest to have posted it himself.
Superb job Mike, absolutely superb.
My noodling tells me that barebones dry it has come in at 1685 lbs.
With Mike's lunch... 1710. With the day's catch , add 80 lbs.
She's a beaut Mike....

[Mike Vogdes]

Awesome job! who didn't know that...

[BrianW]

I was drooling over it, and even considered buying it. But logistics, money, and the need for something bigger won out.

[erster]

LOL! JD you are funny.:D The boat is still in need of some cosmetics but in due course that will get done, one piece of sandpaper at a time, with some trimming out. Without underwear on board, ;) net weight is 2160 and towable on all roads without limitations. Tommorrow will be the tail of the tape underway hopefully getting some underway shots with the 40 hp. Thanks again for the thoughts. Don't always depend on Photobucket anymore as its gone through several upgrades since the first of the year. If you have lots of shots, they may not allow you to access the albums and may eat them if you change your e-mail or passwords too.:eek:

[Wayne Jeffers]

Looks great, Mike!

How long did you have to search before finding scales that matched the bottom paint? ;)

Wayne

[MiddleAgesMan]

Very nice result, Mike. Those "plans" must have been both complete and accurate, and you followed them prezactly. ;)

What sort of ramp is that? I've never seen one like it. It looks like a Corp of Engineers quick fix for a permanent ramp gone bad....

[Wayne Jeffers]

. . . What sort of ramp is that? I've never seen one like it. It looks like a Corp of Engineers quick fix for a permanent ramp gone bad....

Give the CoE a break!

The boat and trailer are sitting on scales.

Wayne

[erster]

The experiment worked. The boat cruises with the 40 hp four stroke at an easy 16 and tops out at 18. When I load all the gear, water and added fuel, I am still sure that it will be a nice coastal 15 knot boat. Thats all I care about anyway. If you look closely, the rails and strakes clear all the water from the sides. Thanks everyone.

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[Brian Palmer]

That is one sweet looking ride! Well done!

Brian

[L.W. Baxter]

My gosh, Mike. Such a thing!

[Hal Forsen]

I like it even better on the water!

http://warhistorian.org/images/bravo-zulu.jpg
;)

[Mike Vogdes]

I want one....

[mmd]

Nice ride angle, Mike. Did you have to do any 'enthusiastic' motor trimming to get her to ride like that?

How is she at coming out of the hole? I suspect - from looking at the bottom geometry when you were building her - that she has pretty much the same attitude all the way from at rest to full plane without much of a nose-up period as she comes out of the hole.

Last question: How does she handle a chop? I suspect that this may be her worst feature - she looks like she'll take an 8" - 12" chop far enough back on her bottom that it'll be where the hull is pretty flat and that will make her a bit noisy and she'll pound a wee bit. Mind you, that can't be helped too much, 'cause the more vee'd the hull to ride smoother, the power it takes to ride.

All it all, a lovely little cruiser. Hope you have fun with it and, if it is a commercial venture and you plan to sell it, that you get a good price for it. Nicely done!

[erster]

Nice ride angle, Mike. Did you have to do any 'enthusiastic' motor trimming to get her to ride like that?
I did nothing but hang the motor on the transom, run four bolts in the bracket and go. The engine is from my 15 foot fishing skiff, controls and all.


How is she at coming out of the hole? I suspect - from looking at the bottom geometry when you were building her - that she has pretty much the same attitude all the way from at rest to full plane without much of a nose-up period as she comes out of the hole.
The boat does not squat at all. The small pad, the reverse strakes and chine rails add those features to the fact that the boat only draws six inches of water, it runs freely and easily gets up on plane and stays there even mid range. I do plan on doing more testing of the intermidiate ranges.


question: How does she handle a chop? I suspect that this may be her worst feature - she looks like she'll take an 8" - 12" chop far enough back on her bottom that it'll be where the hull is pretty flat and that will make her a bit noisy and she'll pound a wee bit.
I never intended for the boat to be primarily a deep water hull, or even a nasty chop runner without some form of discomfort for sure. I intended on replacing the sailboat that was also used for extreme shallow water beachcoming but it had became impossible to launch because of the crowded and limited facilities taken up with triple motor speed boats.

I also wanted to squeeze every ounce of fuel per mile with the minimum hp engine and understood that I also needed to keep the boat as lite as possible for towing without massive permits and expensive trailers. So there are compromises for sure and truely an inshore and gunkholing hull. With the present motor, I anticipate no more than a gallon an hour cruising from previous performances of the motor. .

The boat is a nice houseboat with a decent cruising speed with lots of room for probably two weeks of gear and cargo for primitive and isolation when desired. I also do not think that a bit more weight will harm the boat in performance.
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One thing that is decieving is the angle that the boat runs. There is some optical elusion involved. I built the cabin on a level plane which conflicts with the sheer a bit which runs up a bit. I did not want the cabin " falling back" while sitting still and especially while on plane. So this is another reason why the boat also shows flatter.

Thanks again guys for the comments and good thoughts.

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[P.L.Lenihan]

WOW!!!I hope I get a nice successful ride like that when I launch! Beautiful looking out on her element like that!! Envious beyond description I am!! Congrats Mike on such an obviously beautiful build/boat!

But, and this is just me, seeing her out on the water moving right along from a distance......my eye keeps wanting to see one slightly larger,squarish, portlight up forward instead of the two wee ones or no portlight at all. Perhaps I need to change brand of beer or get my eyes checked.


May you catch more than you can eat and may a buyer pay more than you ask!!


Cheers!


Peter

[erster]

The portlights stays as is Peter because of the interior setup and to keep any and all obstructions from the walkaround foward, as the deck rises and the trunk sides narrows in height. Sure it may not be much, but even the smallest obstruction for your tow to catch can be hazardous to your health. There are always some things that can be changed on the next one too, according to the needs and wishes of the consumer.;) If it works though, leave it along as the fish will not know any difference either.:D

[P.L.Lenihan]

The portlights stay because of the interior setup and to keep any and all obstructions from the walkaround foward, as the deck rises and the trunk sides narrows in height. Sure it may not be much, but even the smallest obstruction for your tow to catch can be hazardous to your health. it works, leave it along as the fish will not know any difference either.:D

Ah ha! I knew there had to be a good reason is yours' is bang on Mike! Safety,safety,safety....gotta make a point of keeping that in mind soon.

I agree about the fishes,they are a dumb and tasty lot :D:D



Cheers!


Peter

[MiddleAgesMan]

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It doesn't appear you have an extra 4 feet of throttle and shift cable, as most tech manuals call for. I've seen one calling for a loop of 3 which seemed excessive, but 4 feet?

I'm going to be ordering my cables shortly and am wondering what is reasonable to add to the length to keep everything working well.

[Wooden Boat Fittings]

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Nice work, Oyster. Congratulations on her.

Mike

[erster]

Thanks Mike, nice to see you still kicking around from time to time. MAM, I will measure what I have tomorrow. I don't think I have an extra four foot, maybe three tops with no problems.

[MiddleAgesMan]

From that picture it appears you might have 3 extra feet, but probably closer to 30 inches. That seems like plenty to me but this will be my first time rigging an outboard from scratch so reading all these instructions about adding 4 feet makes me worry. Even Teleflex says to add 4 feet.

I don't want a huge loop of cable cluttering up the after seat-casting platform so I'm wondering if it is possible to run the excess vertically just in front of the cowling instead of having it laying out over the seat.

BTW--your new boat runs nice and flat at speed. Did you put a little of the Simmons hook in it?

[B_B]

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Nice work, Oyster. Congratulations on her.

+1:)
Good Job, young fella!

[Duncan Gibbs]

Now that does look civilised!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Bateau1/DSC07955.jpg

Generally not a fan of power, but this blows all those ghastly reverse sheer plastic abominations that we're used to on the Tweed completely away.

Well done Mike! :)

[erster]

MAM, are you using seating along side of the well? If so its really easy to bundle the harness, cables, and associated wiring and secure them to the rigid steering cable if you are using the teleflex system with tie wraps. I also secure the bundle with a holed type tie wrap at the well face corner before the small loop. Do you have any photos of your seating arrangement or proposed seats?

The bottom is a conventional bottom with inovative rails and strakes used on expensive power boats and rarely on production fiberglass hulls unless the manufacturer uses a two piece mould to build it. There are down sides but you do learn to live with them. You would not want a hook in this boat or most any other new non well full side hulls. If anything you want some suttle tuck both the the chines and in the bottom run.
Duncan, I think designers has yet finished with their attempt to perfect ugly these days. YMMV too in regards to power versus sail too. But for me, I gotta be on the water in whatever, and still miss my round stern for sure. Sometimes you are forced to play the hand thats dealt you. Ramps and waterfront properties for the average guys are becoming like dinosaurs.

[BrianW]

Looks bigger in the water!

In fact, it just plain looks great in the water.

[MiddleAgesMan]

MAM, are you using seating along side of the well? If so its really easy to bundle the harness, cables, and associated wiring and secure them to the rigid steering cable if you are using the teleflex system with tie wraps. I also secure the bundle with a holed type tie wrap at the well face corner before the small loop. Do you have any photos of your seating arrangement or proposed seats?


I have a picture of the after seat-platform here, post #216:

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?t=97386&page=5

Sorry for the hi-jack. :)

I remember seeing those planing strakes on your hull in one of your build threads. I didn't realize they would affect the attitude at speed, except for making the boat plane better with--perhaps--less wetted surface. Thanks for the explanation.

[erster]

No problem with any hyjack.... I have 32 inches from the outlet of the well panel to the entrance of the motor which enters on the portside. Thats with the motor turned hard to the starboard which places the engine head to the portside. I had not seen the updated shots.
Brian the boat is very stable at rest and ample stable in the turns.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

That is one fabulous boat.:):cool:

[erster]

MMD, a quick note to say that I took the boat out this weekend in open water and in big boat wakes and a bit of swell. I did some further running with a variety of rpms and layman's interpretation of boat angles for comparing speeds and comfort which wasn't really that bad, a bit noisy though from the slapping with the interior without any real sound absorbing items either. The boat's running angle with the existing 40 ran close to the same angle with a bit less speed from3,500 rpm and 5,000. The boat never sucked down in the transition between idle to about 2,000 rpm and begins its change and lift between 2,000 to 3,000, running 12 mph consistantly at that speed. I am using the same prop that I ran on the engine with the 16 footer too. The engine tops out at 5,800 rpm. So I think its not that far off by comparison to pushing the amount of boat by comparison to the 16 which weighs 760.

[Uncle Duke]

Lovely, lovely boat!
Any interior shots? Is there an inside helm station?

[mmd]

Thanks for the additional info, Mike. Agreed on the noise level on a boat like this - always a compromise between additional weight (less speed) of sound insulation and best efficiency for planing (speed).

I ran your weight & power info thru my Q&D (quick and dirty) planing hull performance calculator and hit the same theoretical numbers that you did in reality - about 18 knots at WOT. What size prop are you running?

My numbers indicate that you will be be able to load on an additional 1000 lbs of gear & outfit and maintain 15 knots with your 40hp 4-stroke. This might be optimistic, though, if the additional weight submerges the chines at speed. Let me know how close I am, OK? (Always nice to have trials feedback to refine the equations...) Thanks in advance, if you can.

[David G]

JD - thanks for prodding this into the daylight. Lovely beast she is!

[erster]

The wheel is 11.4 x 12, three blade. I doubt that I will be adding 1,000 lbs to the boat. I need to stay max at around 500 with the existing trailer with some reserve for over the road hauling even though I will probably add a bit more for in water trips after lanuching. I can afford to load it a bit more aft which I will do anyway. Most of the dead storage is under the covering boards going foward an in the aft section of the cabin area.


I have planned space for an additional 12 gallons of fuel with the 12 now which will be more than enough for probably two days of what I would do anyway running unless I upgrade the engine. Day use the area will double for a fish cooler.:cool:


Uncle Duke, I do have an inside station and its rigged with the helm for space planning but not hooked up since there are additional items needed for the duel station hookup.

[mmd]

Thanks for the prop info, Mike. My Q&D program indicated that it would be about 11 x 12, so once again I get some real-world confirmation that it is working properly. (I know it is pretty good for larger boats, but things get dicey with small boats.) If this trend of accuracy continues unabated, it looks like you should be able to maintain 16.5 knots at WOT with an additional 500 lbs oin board. At 3/4 throttle you should be able to cruise at about 14 knots.

One more question, if I may: How much does the boat heel in an at-speed turn? Say, at about 15 knots?

[erster]

Well I can't tell you about the heel over since I was motor boating at the time and the sails were down.:D:p But I did not pay attention to this and my admiral stayed put in her seating and did not bring up anything about being unnerved. So I guess it was within specs.

[ben2go]

That's a beautiful boat.

[davebrown]

congratulations.

[pipefitter]

Very nice. Love the idea that it planes at all, never mind well with a 40. All that room and still be able to afford to run it is a win/win in my book. You made pretty good time on that too. You sure have piqued my wooden boat interest in several different directions over the years, Mike.

[Robert Meyer]

She is just lovely Mike. Please tell us again what she's made of. (grin-grin)

[erster]

She is just lovely Mike. Please tell us again what she's made of. (grin-grin)
Its made out of decaying wood with some snot between some of the cells. :D

[Hwyl]

Its made out of decaying wood with some snot between some of the cells. :D


That sort of describes me too.

[erster]

That sort of describes me too.

When do I get to have a ride?
The key is to time things so that all the cells rot at the same pace, making it easier for everyone left behind.:cool: Right now its getting its final prom dress trimming and ironing.:) But anytime you are passing by... Of course I will not have any sails ready for you to trim, and you will only need to bring a hat to keep your hair from blowing.:p:D

[erster]

Well the boat surpasses any and all expectations. It still needs some cosmetics, but the fish don't know no difference :cool::D and I am surely not a bit worried about it.
I have been able to get a good idea of performance and even the fuel burn with the 40 hp on it. In two days of solid use boating and fishing, one day I spent five hours of cruising and fishing in five to ten knots and burnt 1.6 gallons of gas. Today I spent just under seven hours and the weather was above 15 to 18 early on and increased late afternoon running, fishing in open waters and beaching for lunch. I burnt 2.3 gallons and average from 15 knots the am in semi protected waters to 12 knots late in a big chop. Today was a bit tough but the boat was always a stable platform. The galley worked out to be what the doctored has ordered for a long time even though its a step above a camping in regards to creature comforts.

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[rufustr]

Congratulations.

What a fantastic result.

You should be very proud.

:cool::cool::cool::cool:

[Paul Pless]

She's awesome Mike!

I'm somewhat disappointed to not see a picture of a very happy man standing atop her though.;)

[Wayne Jeffers]

She looks mighty fine, Mike. Her proportions look absolutely perfect. Well done!

Wayne

[Hwyl]

I jst read that you used he to escort Malolo in. Good job.

I'm surprised no one has bought her yet.

[erster]

Paul there is no reason to destroy a perfectly good looking boat.:eek: Right now the market stinks so I will just do what I can to detail it and maintain it with a plus of gunkholing with it for now. It owes me nuttin and the ice costs more for a day than the fuel consumption.:) The folks and dogs were trim and tanned from the winter trip unlike what they would have experienced staying north this past winter. Wayne, been following your boat threads. You need to get busy building guy.;)

[Wayne Jeffers]

. . . Wayne, been following your boat threads. You need to get busy building guy.;)

Truer words were never spoken, Mike. I'm not getting any younger. :eek:

Wayne

[J. Dillon]

Mike, just putz around and enjoy the boat. BTW some one just might come along with cash.

Did I miss the name ?. Sounds like like you might have to make an ice maker.;):D

JD

[erster]

Mike, just putz around and enjoy the boat. BTW some one just might come along with cash.

Did I miss the name ?. Sounds like like you might have to make an ice maker.;):D

JD
I am not going to get too bummed out at this point as I don't have many stomach cells left as it is. ;) Well we settled on "FISHNCHIPS" even though its a bit long. The name boards are not done though. We tried several shorter ones but they never did tickle the fancy bone.

[J. Dillon]

How about " Forsale " ? Some one is sure to ask about it.;)

JD

[erster]

How about " Forsale " ? Some one is sure to ask about it.;)

JD
Nah, within six blocks I saw probably a dozen boats with that name.:D:p Well if it happens, fine. Right now I plan to decorate the decks with frying grease spots and some chicken bones while awaiting for the fish to bite for sure.

[J. Dillon]

I plan to decorate the decks with frying grease spots and some chicken bones while awaiting for the fish to bite for sure.


Sounds like an invite for sea gulls or worse yet.... rats.:eek:

JD

[erster]

Sounds like an invite for sea gulls or worse yet.... rats.:eek:

JD
Nah, its just that some things come with the territory when you use them. Some folks build trailer queens and some folks build boats that actually gets used. I deal with the lather. I know its hard for folks to believe that even with all the wood on the boat inside and out, its still a launch and go and fluff dry upon return after going through the rinse cycle. You clean them when you come home.