Design by BB Crowninsheild

[Wild Dingo]

Recently I recieved some brilliant boat porn from TonyH among which was the 40ft 6in LOA "Fame" by BB Crowninsheild of Boston Mass... Now both of us think this design is absolutely stunning... but neither of us has a clue as to the the availablity whereabout or anything else about her plans... so anyone care to enlighten us?

Here is the single sheet on Fame that Tony... that cruel heartless purveyor of boatporn... sent! :D

{note here if you dare stop I will have to do something flamin radical mate!! So whatever you do keep sending the porn!!! tongue.gif I dont care if were the first ones arrested by the International Marine Porn Police in their zealous efforts to break what will hopefully result in an international boat porn ring! :eek: }

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/p3bc7404e028aad0bacf94f52ba3f99a3/fd4cc9e2.jpg

In an email from DonZ he stated that he has some plans of a design by BB Crowinsheild but didnt elaborate on which design or where he got them from and I have sent him an email but that was a few hours ago... Im getting rather antsy for knowledge here so hence the posting..

Yes there were others Typhoon Harpoon Melmore among them designers such as Skeine Davis Williams and Mylne among others... "Fame" stood out like the proverbial diamond... As did a flamin beautiful great Schooner by Gruber which stunned the sox right of me!! but at 65ft 4in LOA was simply way way too flamin big for this fella to contemplate! oh but sooooooo nice! The stuff of dreams that one by Gruber :cool:

Im wondering how to get a hold on the plans for "Fame" if they exist?... Anyone have any clues? Ive had a gander around the Mystic site but cant find a word about Crowinsheild anywhere... Help??? :rolleyes:

Take it easy
Shane

[ 09-07-2002, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Todd Bradshaw]

It looks like a stretched version of the Camden Class Knockabout or the larger Dark Harbor - the big brothers to the boat that Art is building. W.B. at least used to sell plans for all three sloops. This one is bigger with a bowsprit and schooner rig added, but has that same lovely profile. It's interesting that though not all that different from other designs of the same era, you can often tell a Crowninshield boat just from a quick glance at the profile.

[Thad]

She is a beauty generally typical of the Crowninshield look. His slightly larger schooner Fortune is one of the ringers in wooden boat racing on this coast (and last year in Europe). This 40 footer looks great to me and has the heritage to pursue with confidence. The Crowninshield plans are available from the Peabody-Essex Museum in Salem, MA. Right now the Peabody is in construction mode and getting access to the plans may be difficult. I could make inquiries to see where things stand and in particular if FAME is in the collection. You've got a good eye on you there Shane.

[Thad]

By the bye I note in blowing up the drawing that it says he designed FAME "for his personal use". Good recommendation.

[rbgarr]

Beautiful lines, and I agree that she looks like an enlarged Camden or Dark Harbor class. I've printed out the lines for making a halfmodel!

[Wild Dingo]

Yeah she is mighty sweet isnt she... like a rare orchid sitting quietly in the braken waiting to be discovered... sigh... :cool:

Todd I will have to have a hunt around to see Arts again... mind must be slippin! :rolleyes:

That would be great thanks Thad... are they or do they have a web site do you know?

Roger... your going to do a half model from that info??... interestingly here I was figuring that one would need at least the half breaths to rescale them to the smaller sizings... mmmmm I guess Im wrong yet again??? :eek: dang the things one learns on this board never seace to amaze me!! :cool:

Ive spent the last whatever its been since I got Elly's study plans from Michael trying to figure a ruddy scale program out so I can reduce them and do just that... and here your sayin I dont need to??? aaahhhhh!! :mad: Would anyone care to edjumakate me on this!!

I went to a model buidlers board awhile back and got recommended to use a program they promoted called "APSCU32" {available at Seaways.com (http://home.att.net/~ShipModelFAQ/) look under useful shareware}... now I admit to not bein the brightest spark in the matchbox but generally I can hold me own with most anythin that comes along... but that flamin program has so many ruddy scales and other scales and stuff its had me totally bamboozeled since... I think I may have sussed it finally but am not altogether sure...{I think if I use the "standard scales" "G 1:24" with "other scales" " 1" 1:12" I should be right... maybe... possibly... who knows!}... but now your sayin I dont ruddy well need it!... :eek:

cor blimey stone the flamin crows an flamin eck mate!! Talk about a conundrum!! :rolleyes:

Oh well such is life :rolleyes:

Take it easy
Shane

[ 09-08-2002, 05:18 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Bpolk]

I believe that all of Crowninshields plans reside at the Peabody Museum in Massachusetts. I obtained plans for his "Pup" class some years ago. I think WB may have some interaction with the Museum.

Old Bob

[Keith Wilson]

Here's the site for the Peabody Essex Museum (http://www.pem.org/index.html)
The web site doesn't list boat plans. They're pretty disrupted through next year, though, moving to new quarters.

Phil Bolger, of all people, has a very similar design for a light 40' schooner, IMHO just as pretty, for which I'm sure plans are readily available. The design is VERY thoroughly worked out with lots of construction and rigging detail. It was published in Boats With An Open Mind, and Boat Design Quarterly #2. Bolger, despite his reputation, can design boats that are as handsome as anything afloat when he wants to.

[ 09-08-2002, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: Keith Wilson ]

[rbgarr]

Re: Half models

They can be made with a lines drawing such as the one shown above (of Fame) by following the method used by G. I. 'Sonny' Hodgdon as shown in one of the back issues of WB. Search Half Models or Hodgdon. No number measurements needed at all, though access to a xerox copier with expansion capabilities will be necessary in this case.

Sonny made beautiful finished half models of every America's Cup defender and challenger and they are now (or were, last time I looked) at the Herreshoff Museum. He also had dozens upon dozens of others in his home, many of which his family company built 'full size', so to speak.

[Art Read]

Here you go, Shane... Imagine this picture with the "fin" keel, similar in profile to "FAME's", already bolted into place...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid21/pfa54f000db6c138892142f65a70a9cfd/fdb12199.jpg

Here's the sail plan...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid16/p28466672e5d32f5984b8fcf1f63adec5/fdef5213.jpg

There's a sweet Crowninshield schooner here in the Puget Sound area called "MARTHA", she looks a lot like "FAME". A bit bigger, with a split cabin arrangement, I believe, but beautiful. The man sure could draw a pretty sheer... but I doubt he had much sympathy for the poor crew members who'll have to endure all the spray coming aboard with those low freeboards!

[ 09-08-2002, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: Art Read ]

[Wild Dingo]

Art she is excellent mate!!... I can members her now I sees her! :rolleyes:

Roger thanks I will check that out and order the issue... sounds interesting. :cool: well its gotta beat blundering around with that flamin ruddy program!! :mad:

Well... having said that I went and checked my email didnt I?!... And there sitting smiling at me was a nice email from Anita that explained it in a way that made a hell of a lot of sence... sometimes we make things way way more difficult than it needs be dont we? expecting it to be hard yet sometimes the simplicity is amazing!

So Ive just printed of 25 sheets of the curviture lines of Elly and am going to cut them out and see what I can come up with! spacing them as per Michaels 1/2" to the 1ft... should work? Then if it does Im away!! yes! Finally!! :D ...If not then Ive got me another paper model to stick on the mantle and glare at! tongue.gif ... and its back to the drawing board for me! It should at the least give me an idea or two to play around with :D

Thanks to all! :cool:

Take it easy
Shane

[ 09-08-2002, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[WRB]

focus Dingo... your plans are on the way
(sending them off in about an hour)

[Thad]

So, Shane, hope things are going well. This for you and all others interested, and who isn't after looking at the drawing above.
The Peabody has the following drawings for FAME, BBC #404 June 10, 1910, Keel Schooner, Gaff Rig, 61', 12' beam, Approx. 45' WL:
404 Lines(Linen/ink) 15x35" 3/4"=1' #3519
Draftsman RNB Builder Rice Bros
404A Offsets
404B Sails & Rigging 26x30 1/2"=1' #3519
404C Offsets 9x10 Original work

That's it as I got it from our friend Tom. So there are four sheets, but really 3, the Offsets, the lines, and the sail/riggin plan. Plenty for building. Tom thinks the price would be $20US a sheet with the contact being the Maritime Department, Peabody-Essex Museum, Salem, MA 01970

[ 01-23-2003, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: Thad ]