Sandbagger racing sloop.

[Max Poluhtovich]

Greetings!!! If anyone have any plans or offsets for "sandbaggers"? Max.

[Todd Schliemann]

Max
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pa596db842ef9aab7b0e12a2911854c64/fe0a26f1.jpg

The "BULL" & the "BEAR" - Sandbaggers in New York harbor ca. 2000

Get in touch with Mystic Seaport. http://www.mysticseaport.org/welcome.html

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[DougWilde]

Baker Boat Works sells plans for a couple of sandbaggers. Bob drew plans for quite a few historic craft. If you collect WoodenBoat calendars you'll recall the boat, named after him, built to his "Two-Forty" plan (actually Plan No. 42).

Sandy (Plan No. 113)
LOA 19'6"
Beam 7'9-3/4"
Draft 1'4"
Lines taken off craft attributed to George Darling, 1855
Lines, Offsets, Sail Plan
$37

Shadow (Plan No. 93)
LOA 21'1-1/2"
Beam 9'11-1/4"
Lines taken and restored by Baker from boat built by Robbin in 1906
Lines, Offsets, Sail Plan
$39

The cost of plans may well have increased since I purchased the catalog.

Baker Boat Works
29 Drift Road
Westport, MA 02790
508/636-3272

Doug Wilde

[Ben Fuller]

In the article I did for WB on sandbaggers sometime ago I discussed plans for these boats. There are lines to a bunch in the WP Stephens collection at Mystic. One of the issues of the Nautical Research Guilds Journal of Nautical Research has details of a famous bagger called Cruiser. Bull and Bear are developments that the builder did based on Susie S. whose lines are in the Mystic Collection.

Have fun.

[Paul Schut]

I seem to remember several years ago in the WB an article on Spirit yachts, built in the UK. I remember that they also drew a high tech version of the sandbagger called the blagger or sand blagger, all built in cedar and epoxy, with which I was very impressed. Something like a 49-er on steriods if you can possibly imagine that

[Smacksman1]

My old Emma is a New York Sloop circa 1870, based on my research, and they were your bog standard workboat. Faster ones were snapped up for racing and mega rigs strapped on. As the bets got bigger, special built '49ers on steroids' [love the phrase] took over but they all started from the humble workboats of New York Sound.
I have tried for years to track down other examples. As they were so common you would have thought there would be some still around.
She goes like excrement off a shovel - great fun. It is sobering to think that sandbaggers of Emma's 24' size spread the same rig as my 44' Essex smack. What mad, wonderful sailers they must have been.

Emma is on my temporary site at:-
http://smacks.port5.com/emma/index.htm
- sorry if it is a bit slow - it is a free host.

[Smacksman1]

Todd, Could you tell me where you got the picture above from and are there any more?

[Todd Schliemann]

Sure Smacksman, there are more below. The BULL and the BEAR were built by the Independence Seaport Museum's workshop. As Ben said they were built from some rough lines of SUSIE S. (1869). Think the rig was modeled along the lines of Mystic Seaport's ANNIE. Keep in mind that they are not strict reproductions, nor were they meant to be. We had the good fortune to be the caretakers of them in New York harbor for a year.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p02ab82a222b79f4836fbf0d88c8c7d62/fe029ff0.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p11a62b75f0864c0d6ae78d9360fb5370/fe029fef.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p5f264d3222b318f9a4e3e7da7058176d/fe029fee.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pe3b883c814961a7ec398a377b5dfe8f3/fe029fd7.jpg
Those yellow things are the "sandbags." They are filled with water so they will float when she goes over, which she does all too frequently.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p0420d50fe5a83cd9eb3bbb18a05eab7e/fe029fd6.jpg
Gives you a good idea of the monstrous sail area. Damn this photo hurts seeing the Trade Centers there.

Fair Winds

Almost forgot, follow this link to the MYC and click on "Sandbaggers!" They have a series of construction shots as well as the photos above. http://www.myc.org/

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[Tom4]

here's some more Bull & Bear photos.

here. (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tdarmody1/index.htm)

-tom