Can you identify my sail boat?

[wndrwmn]

Hi everyone :D

This is our "sweet pete" sail boat. We bought it from someone who had it in his family for many years. We stripped and refinished it (first project - be gentle :o )

The issue is that we have no idea what kind of boat it is - some people say it "might" be a lighting class - but there are some differences.

Any guesses?

Updates:

Measurements

Beam 82inches
length 19 ft 1 inch
Mast to deck - 26 ft 2 inches
Boom 14ft 6 inches
Water line length - 19ft

Possibly from the Muskoka area - estimated at least 75 years old by previous owner
Cotton stuffed hull boards
Main Sail and Jib
Originally Canvas deck, painted hull and canvas sail
It does not have any back stays, but has 2 extra side stays
Swing Keel with a Keel box
Tiller not a rudder
All sail tracks are brass
No markings or paperwork - nothing on the original sails.


http://s758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/cdnwndrwmn/Sail%20Boat/

[bamamick]

Interlake? Really impossible to tell from those photos. Wait a minute, is that really the boom for that boat?

Mickey Lake

[sailboy3]

http://i44.tinypic.com/wk0f91.png

[TerryLL]

Probably not a Lightening



LIGHTNING


http://sailboatdata.com/imagehelper.asp?FILE_id=4959

Better pics will help a lot. One of interior showing centerboard case and seat layout, one dead on from the stern, one of rudder.

[Woxbox]

Also, please put a tape measure to it and give us the exact length and beam. These puzzles are good fun, but a few solid clues help. :)

[Rich VanValkenburg]

With the paint and that long boom it looks similar to the WoodenBoat #9 cover. My scanner's busted, maybe someone else could scan that cover and post. The pics from the 'Back issues' page isn't clear at all.

The boat on that cover is an Idem class sloop, the "Ruach Chayyim". I've done it now, I'll be reading old issues of WB all day.

[peter radclyffe]

you want us to identify it, how do you know its yourshttp://forum.woodenboat.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[donald branscom]

I have a book with 230 sailboats shown. It is not there.

You need some facts bro.
LOA.
Beam.
Show me your rudder.
Show me your transom.

Boom over hang not right. etc.,.

[TimH]

looks big for a Snipe.

Wayfarer?

[rbgarr]

Too small for an Idem. Not a Wayfarer, either. Interesting hull shape though!

[johnw]

Round bilges or chines?

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I thought Snipe too

[johnw]

I thought Snipe too
Too large, and look at that overhanging boom.

[boylesboats]

ya mean ya didn't get any document(s) with that vessel?
It should tell the whole story... who built it, when it was built, what design, its measurements, and its capacity...

[Paul Scheuer]

What's on the sail ?

[bamamick]

Mr. Boyle, I have bought dozens of small sailboats without any documentation at all. I rather think that that is the norm to be honest with you.

Still, the original poster hasn't responded to any requests for more information and I am wondering if he is pulling our leg. The length of the boom would indicate a gaff rigged boat. Other than that I don't have a clue. The length is Lightning-ish but it ain't a Lightning.

Mickey Lake

[boylesboats]

Really Mickey.. It is helpful to have some documentation...
After a little talk with USCG last year..
I must apply MIC on every damn boats I builts, even for my own personnal boats..:eek:

[wndrwmn]

Thank you for all your responses. I am not pulling anyone's leg - just busy with family and the boat is in storage. I will get measurements shortly.

To answer some of your questions and to provide more information - it orginally a canvas deck with a painted hull. It has Round bilges. It does have a rudder - it has a tiller. It has a swing keel with a keel box. The hull boards are backed with cotton. There is not a back stays - only an extra set of side stays. All the sail track and hardware is brass. There was not any documentation, markings or anything on the sail when we bought it.

This boat has huge sentimental value for us - my father in law helped restore it before he passed from cancer. We would like to know what we worked so hard on together :-)

On a side note- as wnderwmn (wonderwoman) I am a girl - not a guy :-)

Thanks for helping solve our mystery!

[johnw]

Where are you located? If it's a local type, that may be important.

[seayou7]

Sorry for your loss. A fun little boat, but geared for racing. Note the little guy in the photo will need to duck the boom for each tack.

[wndrwmn]

We are in Ontario, Canada.

We bought the boat from a family near Hamilton, Ontario. They said it was originally from the Muskoka area. He thought the boat was over 75 years old.

Yes, it is quite fast - wish we did a bit more research in buying the sail boat - especially since neither of us knew how to sail :o Fun but fast

[Rich VanValkenburg]

Are there any markings on the sail along with a number?

[wndrwmn]

The measurements are:

Beam - 82 inches
length at the deck - 19ft 1inch
Mast to deck - 26 ft 2 inches
Boom - 14 ft 6 inches
Water line length - 19 ft

It has main sail and a jib.

I uploaded some more pics - hope they are clearer.

http://s758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/cdnwndrwmn/Sail%20Boat/

Any help is appreciated :-)

[TerryLL]

Steel CB, self-tending jib, round bilges, arc bottom, fluted CB case, metal rudder, ashcroft-planked. overhung boom. Could it be an early Rhodes 19?



http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/cdnwndrwmn/Sail%20Boat/boatinhouse1.jpg


http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/cdnwndrwmn/Sail%20Boat/boatinhouse2.jpg

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/cdnwndrwmn/Sail%20Boat/boatinhouse3.jpg

[johnw]

Not enough knuckle to the bow to be a Rhodes 19.

75 years ago, there wasn't much one-design racing yet, and boats were built by hand, not popped out of molds, so there were a lot more one-off boats. This might be one of them. But when we say 75 years ago, are we being precise? Because in the 1920s there were very few one-design fleets, and in the 1930s we started to have some.

[boylesboats]

The measurements are:

Beam - 82 inches
length at the deck - 19ft 1inch
Mast to deck - 26 ft 2 inches
Boom - 14 ft 6 inches
Water line length - 19 ft

It has main sail and a jib.

I uploaded some more pics - hope they are clearer.

http://s758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/cdnwndrwmn/Sail%20Boat/

Any help is appreciated :-)

Can you clarify that water line length again..:confused:
If the vessel is measured 19ft 1in length from end to end on the deck
with the raked bow and transom..

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx227/cdnwndrwmn/Sail%20Boat/boat2.jpg?t=1272862725

Then the waterline length be somewhere around 17ft 6in -18ft...

[TerryLL]

I'm thinking the 75 year old estimate might be off by a bit. Molded plywood was used immediately after WWII for the Hurricane Class, which later was built in FG and became the Rhodes 19.

The Thistle also dates from right after the war, also in molded plywood. FG took of in the early '50s, so the heyday of the molded plywood era lasted less than 10 years.

[johnw]

It sounds to me like this is caravel construction with cotton caulking. The deck might be new. Perhaps, Wonderwoman, you could describe the planking of the hull and deck in a little more detail?

[seayou7]

Cool set up, covered slip.

[wndrwmn]

The water line is probably 17.6 - sorry for mis-measurement

When we bought it 15 years ago, the decking was plywood with canvas cover (probably not original). What you see is what we replaced it with.

The hull is not plywood - it is planks with cotton batting (would that date it back before WWII?). I think you are right and it is caravel construction.

75 years old was just a rough estimate - no idea for sure.

Any other guesses or suggestions for resources - you are all the experts! So, I either have a very rare boat or someone's handy project from many years ago....

Thanks for your help (and yes the covered slip was cool :-)

[TerryLL]

Thanks for that update. Looking at the deck and transom convinced me the construction was molded plywood, so my age estimate of late '40s is likely way off. Carvel planking has been around for centuries. I'm clueless at this point. Any hull numbers anywhere?

[tigerregis]

What my American friends should know is that we (Canucks) don't have to register anything self-propelled or under 10 HP, hence the 9.9.

[johnw]

The centerboard has an old-fashioned look to it. Is is timber or steel? The shape of the centerboard and the overhanging boom make me think this design is from the '20s or '30s. If the cotton is between the planks, it is caulking, so that when the planks swell up the boat stops leaking.

[wndrwmn]

The centre board is not original - it is aluminum. The original board was a narrow steel board.
The caulking is stuffed between the board - it does leak when you first put it in the water - then swells and stops after a couple of days.

Any other suggestions or sites I can research for what type of design it is?

Thanks for all the input

[TerryLL]

The centre board is not original - it is aluminum. The original board was a narrow steel board.


It would have been nice to have this information about 33 posts ago.

[johnw]

They were using steel centerboards as early as the 1890s, but the shape of this boat looks more like something from the 1930s. When you say a narrow steel board, do you mean it was a different shape than the current one, or thinner material?

Have you looked around the boat for a commissioning plate? This would be a small metal plate that should have the builder's name.

You might ask around your local yacht clubs to see if they know of any old classes that looked like your boat.

[richincident]

She's a beauty, whatever she is! Your dad did a wonderful thing!