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Osborne Russell
04-22-2010, 03:16 PM
If you go to HBO website for "The Pacific", they claim, essentially:

-- A doctor with prior experience in the North African theater took it upon himself to gather some elementary statistics. Results:

1. 80 per cent of those pulled off the front line, are pulled off for psychological reasons.

2. The farther you remove them from the line, and the longer you keep them away, the worse they get.

Hence the idea of "hospitals" that are really just places to rest, close to the front lines, where guys stay a short time and go back to the front line, or else, go back to the US AKA "the world."

Fast forward, a guy tells me the other day his brother and friends are in jail in Spain where they were on leave, busted up a bar, busted a guy's shoulder, etc.

I think if we're going to have troops around the world we should have places where they go to mellow out briefly and then return. This may be socialist, unmanly and contrary to myth, but I don't care, as long as it works, even if it does enable further racist imperialism. My question is, how to do it, not where or how much it costs.

The essential ingredient seems to be the support of buddies. Segregating a guy from his pals is bad, even if segregating him from getting his *** shot off is good. To put it another way, getting one's *** shot off isn't as bad as the impotent anxiety of powerlessness of simply not being there, to do . . . whatever needs to be done. Planners would like soldiers to look on each other as fungible units (as they, the planners, do) but this appears to fundamentally misconceive something in the nature of soldiering, and thus of war.

Kaa
04-22-2010, 03:19 PM
Hence the idea of "hospitals" that are really just places to rest, close to the front lines, where guys stay a short time and go back to the front line...

Yes. Such places are usually called either pubs or whorehouses. Often enough, both :D

Kaa

Dave Thibodeau
04-22-2010, 03:22 PM
If we stop sending our military into situations that have no clear reason for being there it would lessen the need for such medical help

paladin
04-22-2010, 08:07 PM
Most of my close friends and business associates stayed away from military installations at all costs...and away from their "recreational areas"......we had places like Tahiti where we would go for 30 days or so, OZ, NZ, Bali, Chaing Mai Thailand, in the mountains......not a lot of booze...peace, quiet, music, play around with sweet things....just get away from the bar/whorehouse crouds.

htom
04-22-2010, 10:43 PM
Different people react differently to the varying stresses in war and require treatment that fits their condition; trying to treat them as if they are "typical" is not really good medicine. At best, it's typical medicine. Chuck's solution would be to my taste, but others I know would hate it. I have no great suggestions to make, except to treat them with respect and honesty.

Osborne Russell
04-23-2010, 10:51 AM
Most of my close friends and business associates stayed away from military installations at all costs...in the mountains......not a lot of booze...peace, quiet, music, play around with sweet things....just get away from the bar/whorehouse crouds.

My sentiments exactly but by definition the crowds outnumber us.

Captain Blight
04-23-2010, 10:56 AM
Yes. Such places are usually called either pubs or whorehouses. Often enough, both :D

Kaa
What a singular mind you have. There really is nothing quite like such staggering ignorance, publicly asserted. Such places, Kaa, are also called museums, concert halls, and art galleries. Not every soldier is a whoring drunk.

Osborne Russell
04-23-2010, 10:58 AM
Different people react differently to the varying stresses in war and require treatment that fits their condition; trying to treat them as if they are "typical" is not really good medicine. At best, it's typical medicine. Chuck's solution would be to my taste, but others I know would hate it. I have no great suggestions to make, except to treat them with respect and honesty.

All true but isn't there something more positive and particular that could be doen?

Military training has figured out a way to create comradery and use it as part of fighting, isn't there some way to apply it on the back end? Trouble is, everyone wants to go home right away, understandably. But when you get home, people and their concerns seem petty. And they're not ready to party like someone who has escaped death.