Intro and a Riveting Question

[GM Kerr]

Greetings Everyone,
Now that I have something worthy to post I am unlurking myself. The opportuniy came up to buy a 16' Charles Hankins skiff. It was a lifeguard boat before the previous owner rescued it from the dumpster. It was built in 1969,not in bad shape but needs work.
She needs around 12 new frames and 3 psosibly 4 new planks. Most of the broken ribs are on the Stbd.side the result of being rolled over or beached in rough surf no doubt. I sprayed water on the inside to check for leaks. What I found was a 4' section of planking (at the turn) that is leaking . Looking closer ,the burrs on the rivets are actually away from the frame and on the laps as well. On the laps there are indents from the burrs making the planks thinner there. I would like to tighten up the planks by removing and rerirveting before I use the boat. I would like to get some insight from you all beore I go ahead withmy plan. Thanks ,George

[SMARTINSEN]

Photos, please, as I like this style of boat.



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[Russ Manheimer]

Hi George,

Where are you on the Jersey Shore. If close to Beaton's in West Mantoloking, ask them for advice or better yet, bring the boat over. They've done a number of Hankin's repairs over the years and can offer a few suggestions. Tell Tom I sent you.

How are the garboard planks? They are the worst to remove and refit. It may be all you need to do is clean out the lap as best you can and head up the rivets again. They should take right up if not bent to badly. A bit 3M101 or such may be needed as well.

Above all send pics and welcome to the Forum.

Good luck,

Russ

[nedL]

Welcome George:
Nice skiff! I'd like to pick up one of Charlie's surf boats some day. My dad had one of his 24' inboard shelter cabin skiffs back in the 1980's - great handling boat! If you are new to all this I would take Russ's advise & take a trip to Beaton's. The work you are talking about (some re-ribbing & a couple of planks) isn't difficult when you've been through it once, but can be a bit daunting to figure out on your own.
certainly rivets can be tightened (hardened up), but if you aren't sure about things and you can easilly get her to Beaton's, that would be the thing to do.
Do you have the cast bronze Hankins row locks that belong with your boat? Unfortunately those often disappeared over the years. Do you know what beach your boat was used on?
I currently have a 17' Jeralomon skiff (built in Monmouth Beach in the early 1900's) on my 'restoration list'. Similar to your Hankins, but built probably for commercial use & finer lined. I also have an antique Jersey speed skiff that I am re-ribbing & replacing some planking in.

[GM Kerr]

Hey Russ,
I'm from Pine Beach.Not too far from Beaton's. Mark made the sail for my cold molded Melonseed.Do you know Mike B. I worked with him at Henriques Yachts for years. I'll ask Tommy. thanks Pictures to follow

[GM Kerr]

Welcome George:
Nice skiff! I'd like to pick up one of Charlie's surf boats some day. My dad had one of his 24' inboard shelter cabin skiffs back in the 1980's - great handling boat! If you are new to all this I would take Russ's advise & take a trip to Beaton's. The work you are talking about (some re-ribbing & a couple of planks) isn't difficult when you've been through it once, but can be a bit daunting to figure out on your own.
certainly rivets can be tightened (hardened up), but if you aren't sure about things and you can easilly get her to Beaton's, that would be the thing to do.
Do you have the cast bronze Hankins row locks that belong with your boat? Unfortunately those often disappeared over the years. Do you know what beach your boat was used on?
I currently have a 17' Jeralomon skiff (built in Monmouth Beach in the early 1900's) on my 'restoration list'. Similar to your Hankins, but built probably for commercial use & finer lined. I also have an antique Jersey speed skiff that I am re-ribbing & replacing some planking in.

Ned, there is only one pair of row locks on the boat. The lifeguards would customize the boats for competition. currently this boat is set up with 3 rowing stations 2 seated and one stand-up. The Hankins row locks are on riser blocks in the stand-up location.Lifeguards are pretty knowledgeable about the boats,great source of info. The guy I bought the boat from was a lifeguard and so was his wife, a very nice couple. I learned that as the surfboats get too old,the towns will auction them offand can be had pretty inexpensively, but you have to on top of it to score one. The younger lifeguards now prefer Asay skiffs or Van Duyne's, both in fibreglass
I didn't know there were any Jerolaman skiffs around still. I have only seen them in Peter Guthorne's book. Very nice stem profile.

Russ the garboards are in good shape and should swell up enough... I hope. Reminds me of when I worked at Johnson Brothers Boat Works when I was 18-19 years old, The old-timers would talk about the finer points of box garboard repair during lunch. Not knowing what it was at the time I asked what it was. The reply i got was "Stay away from it! " more of an admonishment I'd say. But it just always stuck with me.

[GM Kerr]

http://http://s985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/GeorgeKerr/1969%20Hankins/?action=view&current=HankinsSkiff2010230-1.jpghttp://http://s985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/GeorgeKerr/1969%20Hankins/?action=view&current=HankinsSkiff2010237.jpg

[GM Kerr]

Having some technical difficilties posting photoshttp://http://s985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/GeorgeKerr/1969%20Hankins/?action=view&current=HankinsSkiff2010230-1.jpg

[GM Kerr]

http://http://s985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/GeorgeKerr/1969%20Hankins/?action=view&current=HankinsSkiff2010239.jpg

[SMARTINSEN]

copy your link to the photo and paste it in using the insert photo icon:http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/editor/insertimage.gif

[GM Kerr]

Can not post my photos , not sure why.I believe iam follwing the instructions . sorry for dropping the ball guys.

[GM Kerr]

copy your link to the photo and paste it in using the insert photo icon:http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/editor/insertimage.gif


Tried that,see results above . computers ugghh

[Paul Scheuer]

Edit out the "extra" "http"

[Paul Scheuer]

"http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/GeorgeKerr/1969%20Hankins/HankinsSkiff2010237.jpg"

Right click on this image to see the URL properties.

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[nedL]

Very Nice! I haven't seen many Hankins skiffs that nice in 20 years! It sounds like you hae a good handle on what you have there and will take care of her.
Regarding my Jeralomon skiff, I've actually been trying to figure out if maybe the one I have is the one pictured in Guthorne's book. The lines are certainly the same. Unfortunately mine had a real rough last 40 or so years and will take some real TLC to put her back together. Re: Guthorne's book & the pictures of the Jeralomon skiff in it, if you compare carefully you will come to see that the (as I remember) top picture, showing the inside up forward is of some different boat & not the Jeralomon. Count the plank laps carefully & you will count a good number more than in the Jeralomon.

Here is my sad case when I picked her up.
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A sad example, but I believe the last Jeralomon.

[Thorne]

Here's how to post photos on this forum:

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[GM Kerr]

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/GeorgeKerr/1969%20Hankins/HankinsSkiff2010230-1.jpg

[GM Kerr]

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[GM Kerr]

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[GM Kerr]

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[GM Kerr]

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[GM Kerr]

Broken ribs and cracked plank
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[GM Kerr]

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[GM Kerr]

Endevour to Persevere.
ThankYou , Smartinson ,Paul and Thorne !

[GM Kerr]

Ned,
I see your point on the number of planks .Nice boat you have , don't let it go for too much longer. I have a good source for Jersey Cedar when you're ready to put it on the front burner! As for the Hankins, don't let that nice fresh coat of satin latex house paint fool you. it's already peeling and blistering. Don't know what they were trying to accomplish/ hide with those scabs in the bow but I've got a pretty good idea there's lots of 5200 and drywall screws.Lifeguards don't make good boat carpenters!

[nedL]

George: Those pictures were actually taken a couple of years before I picked her up, the only thing that is more 'worse for wear' now is the transom (which was a replacement anyway). I now have her stored pretty well (upside down & supported from her bottom on the inside). I have some Jersey white cedar for the speed skiff I am rebuilding now, and may have enough left over for the Jeralomon, but will certainly keep you in mind (the stuff is about as common as hens teeth).
The close up pictures do tell a bit of a different story about your Hankins, but I'm sure there is a very workable 'core' down under there.