Rozinante

[Brahm Thexton]

Okay, okay, okay,

I've had enough trying to figure out how to pronounce rozinante....I didn't want to ask...but please, help put my mind at ease.

Most definately appreciated,

Brahm

[pcford]

Okay, okay, okay,

I've had enough trying to figure out how to pronounce rozinante....I didn't want to ask...but please, help put my mind at ease.

Most definately appreciated,

It's an English rendering of Rocinante, the horse of Don Quixote. A well-know boat design by a cranky New-Englander.

row see nahn' tay

Accent on next to last sylable

Ten years of graduate school were not wasted on my gf, I guess.

[Venchka]

Nope.

It's pronounced "purrrrrrrrrr ty"

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[AngWood]

What he said.

[ 07-28-2005, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: AngWood ]

[Frank E. Price]

Purty ain't the half of it. 30-some years ago an acquaintance built a Rozinante (mahogany on oak) in the Portland, Oregon, area. I left for Alaska before the boat was launched, but it was planked the last time I saw it. I've drooled over boats in and out of the water, and boat plans, but that Rozinante I could only stare and stare at. It made my tongue stiff and my eyeballs bulge. Amazingly beautiful shape and proportions.

Frank

[Brahm Thexton]

I need to buy the plans, One day I'll build her. I'd like to have some parts of the plans framed and put them up on my wall....and dream and dream and dream...

[J. Dillon]

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/2508/rozzinate37ig.jpg

There's one shown above that sails around here . The most beautiful design. She handles like a throughbred she is. A pleasure to see sailing.

JD

[Captain Pre-Capsize]

Any more pics out there?

[Chris Coose]

Read tons more about this beauty in "Sensible Cruising Designs" and "The Complete Cruiser" by the Marblehead designer L. Francis Herreshoff.

[RodB]

Well, I've got a few pix in my Roz file plus a couple composite pages I have put together in Photoshop... Note the profile view of the fiberglass boat, where I retouched out all the strapping and dropped out the background...for a clean view of the hull profile...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/pbc5f6dda0a9270ae91e62f31d485df7f/f307f368.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/pba4fe7f4869d256bebd8d9ff108c3dc7/f307f35c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/p7e08dec1317bca029db1bfd884156ca4/f307f34a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/pa73e2783e4a5615dcda71b35d90de6a2/f307f358.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/pf6922e192c71204fa9b2413b4703f846/f307f33c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/pfdb849f6933c301d51376564c8f1deef/f307f341.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/p056f130fb15fc9fc64e5412dfec14658/f307f343.jpg

Enjoy....

RB

[ 07-31-2005, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: RodB ]

[rbgarr]

When I was growing up there was one named Queequeg moored right next to my Dad's boat. She was beautiful.

A friend (with one arm) has one and a few years ago his wife fell overboard furling the mizzen when the wind came up and they were heading back to the mooring. She had a really hard time getting back aboard because of the narrow sidedecks and high coamings.

I made him a half-model of the boat from SCD lines that came out pretty well.

[Frank E. Price]

How about a half model, Brahm?

Frank

[Captain Pre-Capsize]

One word: Graceful

[ 07-31-2005, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: Captain Pre-Capsize ]

[paladin]

There's a really nice one being repainted at a small yard near here......

[Stephen Hutchins]

Very inspiring, and beautiful. Thanks for pics. smile.gif

[Farmer Diddley]

You know... I was just coming to grips with the fact that I'll never get around to building a Rozinante in this lifetime... and then you guys go and post all of these wonderful photos. Thanks guys! :rolleyes:

(Let's see, maybe if I knock out the back wall of my garage and add a 10 foot addition, cash in my kids' college fund, get a second job... maybe, just maybe, I can do it. I'm sure my wife won't mind :D )

[Venchka]

Hmmmm...maybe it would be better to spend the kid's college money than the kid's spending your retirement money. Oops, wait, that's me. :D

Still a very purty boat.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Aramas]

I've never understood why some people think Rozinante is so wonderful. They admittedly look nice from the bow quarter, but that's about it.LFH's drawings are certainly a work of art, but the real thing is more weird than beautiful.

Almost without exception, every time I've pointed out a Rozinante to someone, they've described it as some variation of 'funny looking'.

[RodB]

Rozinante looks grand most of the time...except when a sailor is sitting at the helm with his arm hanging over the sheer deck...then Roz looks small. When you see her being sailed along from the 3/4 stern view, the skipper sitting at the helm illustrates "size scale" and she just appears to be a small boat. This is what probably detracts from her overall visual impact. A person sized object just clearly illustrates here small size... mostly in beam...but some in length.

Just sitting at the dock or at a mooring I think she looks grand because her form and grace are totally uninterrupted with any other object that illustrates size scale.

I may not be doing a good job of expressing what I see when I look at some photos of Roz...but you get the idea.

I would think this effect would be much less noticable with Quiet Tune or Araminta because they are larger. All in all, all three are works of art with visual grace and beauty...and they sail pretty damn good too.

RB

[ 08-02-2005, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: RodB ]

[Ian McColgin]

In most of the Rozi's I've seen that looked poorly, the builder failed to follow the shere line or the bow's curve or both. It's a very exacting shape where the difference between incredible beauty and bhal is only 1/6".

Our hosts had a wonderful article of a fellow who made one with a yawl rig. I've seen her sail against a normal Rozanante. Both are equally beautiful, equally handy, and equally fast. The yawl is a tad more comfortable to sail.

And it turned out the LFH had drawn a yawl version almost exactly as these folks did but for some reason did not publish it.

I favor free expression and all, would not criminalize flag burning, but something must be done about the person who installed that motor.

[Wild Dingo]

Originally posted by Brahm Thexton:
I need to buy the plans, One day I'll build her. I'd like to have some parts of the plans framed and put them up on my wall....and dream and dream and dream...Just what I did Brahm with Michaels (mmd) study plans of Elly the 130+ year old Koster of Bill Gilkinsons in Nova Scotia... and cause I hadnt got around to putting her up on the wall... down came the rain and washed poor Elly away :(

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid25/p7ce7cf4bfb1c55475f529ea6254542e9/fd8c8c50.jpg
I painted the frame yellow and blue Norways colors for her heritage but I aint got a pic of that... ah well

Had intentions of doing the same with BB Crowninsheilds Fame but again down came the rain and washed poor Fame away... BUT!! Here I was increadibly lucky in that I had bothered to go to some difficulty and built a real poor rendition out of really poor quality balsa wood which combined with the same of his Dark Harbor reside on my living room wall as we speak... plans are gone into mush and these well these look purty but are inacurate :rolleyes:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid70/pc4d5a011a532fb422d59708bc922d4c9/fba03f44.jpg

Why not I say?... Dream the dream of sailors all over the world look about the harbor of your dreams and stoke the fires of your hearts desire... buy then frame the plans while making your plans then bring them down and build your dream and sail away... of course if you dont get to build her then you have not only a wonderful wall hanging but a wonderous dream that continues on... :cool:

Roinante is a beautiful design but mate there are some far and away more wonderous ones out there... be prepared to be confused totally! ;)

Now a set of plans Id like to see are for JohnB's Waione! man she is sooooooo sexy!! :D mind you Ive no idea where one would get a set of any of Fifes plans :(

[ 08-02-2005, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

What the flamin eck gives?!!! Whats a flamin forum leader? I cant delete my own post? flamin eck!! :rolleyes:

[ 08-02-2005, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
I favor free expression and all, would not criminalize flag burning, but something must be done about the person who installed that motor.:D Ian

Agreed that particular Roz has a few problems to my eye, and not just the obvious inclusion of a motor on a well balanced day sailor like that. The coming should flow bright all the way around the cabin sides and not be broken with a white cabin- bleack it just ruins it and It looks all wrong. Aside from that I also have to say I have never been as much of a fan of the Roz as some people are because of the placement of that Mizzen in the cockpit. If you can get a top down view of that cockpit with the tiller and mizzen position you will see what I mean.

Other than that the sheer is a thing of beauty and the comings and proportion of the small cabin is great. The sailplan is nice if you could figure out a better position for the mizzen, and she sure looks fast enough.

[ahp]

Was there not a picture posted recently on the forum of an Albert Strange canoe yawl that was very similiar?

[Brahm Thexton]

Rozinante is a beautiful design but mate there are some far and away more wonderous ones out there... be prepared to be confused totally! Yeah, I know..... My dream boat changes every few months, Rozinante is always on the top 3.


How about a half model, Brahm?
Oh ya, good idea Frank. I've been thinking about building a half hull of her, I did one of Maid of Endor when that WB article came out... Mine turned out kinda like Wild Dingo's, Looked nice but you wouldn't exactly want to build a boat off of her...

Thank you picture posters!!! I think I speak for all when I say more are welcome.

Brahm

[JeffH]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):

Other than that the sheer is a thing of beauty and the comings and proportion of the small cabin is great. The sailplan is nice if you could figure out a better position for the mizzen, and she sure looks fast enough.[/QB]A road already well travelled. Ian's post above refers to Redhead (or at least one other that I know of), a Roz that had its sailplan tweaked to move the mizzen aft and out of the cockpit. This produced a yawl-rigged version of the canoe yawl, instead of the original ketch-rigged canoe yawl. The yawl-riggers were viewed as heretics by the ketch-riggers; something about messing with a masterpiece or some such. However, LHF had, as Ian said, drawn a similar yawl rig (in addition to the ketch rig) way back when but never got around to publishing it. Hope that clears it up. smile.gif

Jeff

[batory]

"I painted the frame yellow and blue Norways colors for her heritage but I aint got a pic of that... ah well"

Just as well Shane, blue and yellow are Sweden's colours, not Norway's

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/flowerman04/medium_flag_of_norway.gif

[Frank E. Price]

And Denmark's colors are . . . ?

[yorgie]

http://flagspot.net/images/d/dk.gif

Denmark

[ 08-02-2005, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: yorgie ]

[Wild Dingo]

Well DAHAMN MAH EYES!! I was wrong... or was I? I mean.. I think the Koster was a Swedish design? maybe? could be? DAHAM I hate this confusion of designs!! Its evil I tells yer!

As for the half models mate Id do it! And I intend to do it again... and again... and again... with every set of plans I ever have boatlust dreams of building... doesnt really matter a great deal (although it would be good) if they are dead on accurate mate they tell yer what dream it was and they sit there on the wall encouraging you motivating you and you sit in your easy chair and look at them and say "yeah I built that half model... I wonder if I coulda built the boat itself?... maybe I should?... HECK! WHY NOT!!!" and so you will

Stuff that dreams are made of mate :cool: And never underestimate the power of dreams

[Brahm Thexton]

Underestimate Dreams..... Wouldn't dream of it!

I'm a young guy and I'm building woodenboats for a living.

Woohoo!!!! I'm living my dream smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Definately going to build the half model. Thanks for your encouragement.

[Dave Forsman]

Look at this link to see a Herreshoff Canoe Yawl with the mizzen stepped on the deck, with the rudder post under and behind the mast, keeping the ketch rig.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/d/r/drf6/s5.html

[RodB]

Thats the slightly larger version of Rozinante, Gjoa #96, plans available from Mystic. The comments on the website say the original Rozinante is faster but they sure look similar.

RB

[ 08-03-2005, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: RodB ]

[Brahm Thexton]

Are the plans that are avalible from the WB store the original plans or are they modified? The advertisement says that there are modifications by D.N. Hylan. Hopefully these are just included with the original design....

Thanks

[ahp]

About other canoe yawls, I have answered my own question posed a few days ago. Albert Strange designed several and there is a photo of one on another thread in this forum now. Plans for some of these are available, but you need to verify this, and some are not as big and are trailerable. Bolger has a nice design for plywood that is trailerable.

[Tom Robb]

Which Bolger canoe yawl do you mean, and where might one see a pix?

[ahp]

Tom, Bolger drew up some cartoones of a canoe yawl some years ago, but were not fully developed plans that I know of. Sorry.

A set of plans for the canoe yawls "Eel" by Wm Garden and "Wenda by Albert Strange are available from the Woodenboat Store.

Also look at http://boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/Lady Joan.html.

[DrakeChristensen]

Is this the Bolger canoe yawl 'cartoon'?

here (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/canoe_mirror/ply_canoe_yawl.html)

[ 08-05-2005, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Drake ]

[landlocked sailor]

IIRC Phil Bolger is the one who, at the request of our sponsor, developed Strange's 'Wenda' into buildable plans; the one available from WB. He also designed a couple lovely daysailing canoe yawls that Bill Clements built.
'Nord Koster' http://boatbldr.com/html/gallery/photos/photo034.jpg
'Nord Vinden' http://boatbldr.com/html/gallery/photos/photo005.jpg
This link has more pictures: http://boatbldr.com/html/gallery/index.html
Rick

[DrakeChristensen]

That Nord Koster is a beauty. Are plans available?

[TomF]

Good Lord, those two yawls are beautiful.

[landlocked sailor]

Bill had his 'Nord Koster' at the MASCF last October. http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid142/p1693e7a6c7a12dd22872fec3869ccd9a/f6b2e163.jpg
He told me he was thinking of selling her so he could build something else. He also has the plans available, though I don't know about the level of detail; plans drawn for professional builders are often more truncated than those for the likes of us. ;) Rick

[ahp]

Drake, no, "here" seems to be something else.

[DrakeChristensen]

OK...think I got that link fixed above and

here (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/canoe_mirror/ply_canoe_yawl.html)

[ahp]

Yes that is the link. I don't know if Bolger ever made a set of drawings for the last illustration.

[dunbarpm]

Here is another one, Swift in Oxford
http://home.earthlink.net/~dunbarpm/Rozinante/roz2.jpg

[dunbarpm]

Hmmm, sorry 'bout that -- how does one make smaller pictures?

[Chris.]

Hey, it might be big but it made a really good looking new desktop for my PC!

[John B]

you need to compress the photo so that its about 600 pixels wide or smaller (so that most people can see it without having to scroll sideways).

Lovely pic. ;)

well sorted eh. Nice halyard systems with the extra purchases.jiffy reefs and a downhaul on the jib.
all you want ,all you need. sweet.

[ 08-09-2005, 04:03 AM: Message edited by: John B ]

[dunbarpm]

Actually that line on the Z mast is the working end of an adjustable stay leading from well up on the Z to the main top (sort of a triatic, but not quite) to flatten the Z, the main and the forestay; the halliards are all single part 'cept for the jib.

Thank you John B for the suggestion on file compression. If you tell me how to do that I have one more great pic of Swift under sail I'll send on.