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WX
03-07-2010, 07:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQfoFzJUsb0

Phillip Allen
03-07-2010, 07:58 PM
thanks Brad...I won't watch it

Phillip Allen
03-07-2010, 07:59 PM
Don't you start.........

don't WHO start?

WX
03-07-2010, 08:03 PM
I listened to what he was saying. He was not criticising the soldiers that serve...after all they joined up therefore they go where they are told.
As you say Brad:

1- We need to leave the region ... like NOW!

2- We should really have never been there ... not our war ... not our problem ...

3- Our intelligence was terrible ... as was yours and the rest of the world's ...


Our PM at the time chose to ignore sound intel because he thought he had a deal with Bush jr on a free trade agreement. That's why we were there.

WX
03-07-2010, 08:14 PM
So which bit do you have a problem with?

seanz
03-07-2010, 08:25 PM
I deleted the post because I saw Brad had posted and I didn't want it to seem like "stacks on" WX.


don't WHO start?

You know very well "WHO"......:p:D

Actually, I was having a dig at WX.....I'm a bit tired of the threads that start with a uTube link and nothing else. I'm on dial-up so I don't watch much video and I'd like to know what the link is to and what the formite thinks about the video and why they posted the link before I open it.

Thank-you


That is all.



Probably........


:rolleyes::)

The Bigfella
03-07-2010, 09:30 PM
The Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) is a Marxist-Leninist political party in the United States founded to promote revolutionary change

WX
03-08-2010, 03:00 AM
Sorry Seanz, I'll think of you next time I post a youtube link.
I'm not a Marxist or a Leninist and I don't subscribe to any political party. I just felt that the sentiments he expressed were valid.

skuthorp
03-08-2010, 03:07 AM
Our PM was sucking up the the US, as have most of them from either party.
Up to the fall of Singapore in WW2 GB was our 'great and powerful friend', since then the US is. Probably a practical matter involving ANZUS, but probably a bit of a myth.

seafox
03-08-2010, 03:09 AM
Thankyou WX
Utube does not work for me at home my brouser does not have working flash and any newer browser will not work with my operating system. feela little like the guy with one foot on the dock and one foot on the boat and they are drifting farther and farther....apart

WX
03-08-2010, 03:13 AM
Must be time for an upgrade seafox. What are you running Windows 98?

purri
03-08-2010, 05:29 AM
The Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) is a Marxist-Leninist political party in the United States founded to promote revolutionary change

fat chance. the founding principles of that contemporary demagoguery are:

1. cheap cars

2. cheap gas

3. cheap booze

4. cheap entertainment

5. cheap "food"

The Bigfella
03-08-2010, 05:38 AM
whatever.

I was simply posting the first bit of Wiki that comes up when you google that bloke's name

George Ray
03-08-2010, 05:42 AM
Wx , thanks for posting this link. To me the sentiments are in line with very radical ideas like WWJD (what would jesus do) and I suspect that screaming over the top radicals like Gandhi would approve.

While the sentiments in the video seem noble to me I see that they fly in the face of people who feel they are doing the best they can to make the world a better place using the intellectual and moral tools given to them by their ancestors. To rigorously apply the most radical teachings of saintly prophets when it seems that your life or your way of life may be taken is really a lot to ask.

What kind of change in human nature would it take to make the world a better, kinder, gentler place. Does anyone even think it is possible other than the crazy wacko Gandhi types.

skuthorp
03-08-2010, 06:02 AM
Human nature, violent, vengeful, spiteful, cooperative, adaptive, compassionate,jealously advancing their genes at the expense of the 'other', any 'other', that is what has made us the dominant species. But now those same traits may lead us to our own destruction. Se la vie.

John Smith
03-08-2010, 06:26 AM
Certainly he was not criticizing the soldiers that serve/served ... I know this!

I have to wonder some very simple things. This all started in Iraq because of WMD's the president had "solid evidence" of, and Cheney "knew" where they were.

At some point the soldiers on the ground learned there were none.

At that point, is there any doubt that a large number of them wondered about what they were doing? What we are gaining?

We know what 9/11 looked like to us; an attack that took place in one day. Can the people on this board imagine what Shock and Awe, which lasted many days, looked like to the innocent people of Iraq?

And for what end, exactly? "Newsweek" has proclaimed "victory" in Iraq, although violence seems to be escelating.

The big goal, however, was not elections in Iraq (which will soon bring the Shiites to power, and they'll be no more elections, but a stable middle east. Iraq is, supposedly, a step toward that goal.

Nothing short of a more stable middle east can be construed as victory. It's not going to happen.

A lot of people have died behind our invading Iraq. Many more have been wounded. We didn't even get a share of their oil.

What was the point?

skuthorp
03-08-2010, 06:35 AM
"This all started in Iraq because of WMD's the president had "solid evidence" of, and Cheney "knew" where they were."

Sounds like a case could be made for murder, or treason, definitely war crimes but we've been down that path before eh?

John Smith
03-08-2010, 06:49 AM
"This all started in Iraq because of WMD's the president had "solid evidence" of, and Cheney "knew" where they were."

Sounds like a case could be made for murder, or treason, definitely war crimes but we've been down that path before eh?

Yes, but nothing is going to happen in that direction.

My point is that, at some point, the troops must have realized we had NO reason to be in Iraq.

The impact of a lot of this on me is I'll never convict anyone of anything. I believe justice should apply equally to all. Since I can't get the higher ups tried and punished, why should I convict the lower downs?

Paul Girouard
03-08-2010, 07:42 AM
What was the point?




http://www.foxnews.com/images/600347/1_61_iraq_320.jpg

Over simplified maybe. It never was about "getting thier oil".

John of Phoenix
03-08-2010, 07:51 AM
"Soldiers should realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than with the billionaires who sent them there."

WX
03-08-2010, 04:16 PM
Does anyone even think it is possible other than the crazy wacko Gandhi types. This is the man who through the use of non-violent resistance gave India it's independence from the British Empire. How do you get "crazy wacko" from that?
The bloodshed of the Partition that followed was not his doing.