H28 circumnavigation

[RFNK]

I can't find it now :( but I read a broker's ad for an H28 recently that stated that the H28 had circumnavigated more than any other yacht design. I found this highly unlikely but I'm happy to be corrected! How many H28s have actually circumnavigated? Have they been modified significantly for this? Rick

[Larks]

I read the same thing Rick, but just accepted it, they are such magnificent wee yachts that I didn't doubt it!!:D:D;)

Having said that though, I would like to see some sort of substantiation, it seems a big claim.

[PeterSibley]

I doesn't seem likely ! I'd have put my money on a Wharram Naria .

[Ian McColgin]

She's a great boat but I don't think there's enough of them. I'd want to see that claim backed up by a reasonably comprehensive list of small yachts.

[Larks]

This was a quote from the Edgewood Yacht Club H28 site, but I don't seem to be able to bring up the link anymore:

"10000 were built worldwide, and that more H-28s have circumnavigated the world than any other single design"

[PeterSibley]

H28s are lovely little boats but I think of them more as inshore cruisers than circumnavigators .Hereshoff had far better boats on his stock list than the H28 for blue water ...."Solitaire" or "(the strangely named ) Wagon Box" ? To stick with the size range .

[johnw]

I suspect more Vertues have done it.

[PeterSibley]

I do like Wagon Box !

[Woxbox]

Accurate records do not exist. But whichever boat holds that record has it not because it's the best boat for the task, but because it's affordable and best at inspiring people to give it a shot. And on those counts, the H28 was very strong in its day.

[paladin]

I would seriously dispute that statement.......I have the Slocum Society records, and the listing of circumnavigators and their boats, and I don't remember the H-28 being listed more than 2-3 times. I think that Searunner 31's may even have the H-28 beat. But what is true is that more ocean crossings (trans-atlantic and trans -Pacific) are made in boats 30 feet and under more than any other size.

[Woxbox]

I met the Slocum Society folks a few years ago, and their biggest frustration is that most people that do the long voyages don't bother to tell them or anyone else about it. They just go.

[Lance F. Gunderson]

If the Cheoy Lee Bermuda 30 counts as an H28 than the number increases. I know of two H28's that have circumnavigated: Chris and Kathy Knight and Gary Underwood's friend Byrl. Anyone know of more?

[Roger Long]

Regardless of how many might have, and I agree with Paldin that it probably isn't many, they are not a boat I would consider very suitable. I think L.F.H. would agree. The wooden ones are very lightly built and intended for summer coastal cruising. The glass ones were loaded up with teak and they don't have much displacement to begin with. That doesn't leave a lot for stores or a boat with much sail carrying power.

[Zane Lewis]

Well I do know that a lot of the Compass manufactured glass boats in New Zealand and Australia do the trip up to the islands regually.
They have a reputation as a very strong solidily constructed hull and with a bridge deck I would have no problem doing a trip up to the islands in one as long as all the gear is up to standard, rigging etc. Infact while not as fast as many more modern boats they have proven themselves down here as a good crusing boat for a couple or small family.
Zane

http://h28.org.nz/

Just noted on the NZ web site above that they record production H28 variants as having been produced by 8 different international compaies and give a summary about them.

[The Bigfella]

I reckon the Volvo 60's might be up there in contention....

[Ted Hoppe]

If the Cheoy Lee Bermuda 30 counts as an H28 than the number increases. I know of two H28's that have circumnavigated: Chris and Kathy Knight and Gary Underwood's friend Byrl. Anyone know of more?

Cheoy Lee back in the 60s and 70s was the cruiser's boat of choice - at the height of sail boat ownership. 4000 thousand built. It was not uncommon to see (more than any other) them transiting the Panama Canal en passage to other coasts or cruisers from Europe going out to the Isles with goals to Hong Kong.

[BBSebens]

My father-in-law and I are currently restoring a Cheoy Lee Offshore 31, built in '67. It is a stretched H28, much like the bermuda 30 I imagine. its a great boat, and is designed as an offshore boat, but Ive heard that it has some limitations. it tends to be susceptable to being swamped from behind, and doesn't carry a very tall mast.

[CapnJ2ds]

I suspect more Vertues have done it.

And I suspect you're right. Also "Tahiti" ketches (slowly of course) and number of other designs.

As to the NZ built GRP ones, two have circumnavigated, and a number (but not a large number, Zane) have made the trip from here "up the islands". These are well built craft and not at all overloaded with teak. However they are modified H-28s, with more length, beam, draught, freeboard and displacement than the LFH original. I have been told that LFH actually approved the design changes made, but have no real knowledge of this.

[donald branscom]

I can't find it now :( but I read a broker's ad for an H28 recently that stated that the H28 had circumnavigated more than any other yacht design. I found this highly unlikely but I'm happy to be corrected! How many H28s have actually circumnavigated? Have they been modified significantly for this? Rick

That is not true.
The Crealock 37 is the boat that has circumnavigated the ocean more than any other boat.
I can prove that. Send me a private email.

Has the H28 been modified to accomplish this? All boats that cross oceans have to spend a lot of money to get ready and prepare for all and any conditions.

[CapnJ2ds]

I read a broker's ad for an H28 recently that stated that the H28 ..... Rick

Reading brokers' daft blurbs will rot your brain and genitals. Don't do it! Didn't your mother warn you?!

[Oyvind Snibsoer]

I've always thought that honor goes to the trusty old Albin Vega.

http://www.bluemoment.com/boatreviews/images/vega1.jpg

Albin Vega: Modest but Tough
(http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bluemoment.com/boatreviews/images/vega1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bluemoment.com/boatreviews/vegareview.html&usg=__DEA0ow-0zllQuBqVU0jjp6ubaXU=&h=390&w=300&sz=21&hl=en&start=9&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=Ai0RQPC0ondArM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalbin%2Bvega%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um% 3D1)

[TimH]

The slocum societies online list of circumnavigators seems pretty short.

[Zane Lewis]

Re H28's to the Islands,
When I was in New Calidonia 1998 there was one arrived from Aussie a day or 2 after us. They gave us the impression that it was a common trip ex Brisbane.

Re all the modified H28's. I would suggest that they would be as good as many Production Boats out there for offshore work. AS long as they are well constructed, have a bridge deck and suitable cockpit drainage, Rigs are in good condition etc.
All the usual basics, window's not too large etc. Obviously some things need to be check on all production boats, (in fact any boat thats 30 years old) such as apropiate support for the keel boats, form in place ballast etc.

Any small boat is at risk of being pooped, rolled and having waves break onboard.
Zane

[Bob (oh, THAT Bob)]

What? Haven't you all seen the ads for the Valiant? Why it's all there in black and white! :rolleyes:

"In fact, Valiants have logged more circumnavigations and more short-handed ocean crossings than any other brand of sailboat ever built, bar none. They have logged more ocean miles - over 3-million! - than any other brand of sailboat ever built."

(I think this used to be on Valiant's website too, but I can't find it now, just on a broker's website. I think this broker and RFNK's broker need to fight it out like Kirk and Spock on Vulcan.)

[Hwyl]

I'd agree on the Valiant or possibly the Tayana 37

[paladin]

The slocum societies online list of circumnavigators seems pretty short.
The Slocum Society does not have an on line list. I have the true list and all publications. I "own" the Slocum Society. The group in new england calling themselves The Slocum Society International are a bunch of thieves trading on the name for personal ego and profit. Many years ago they tried to purchase the rights with the intent of making a "profitable" operation and when I refused they openly said that they would just steal it in such a way so that I couldn't afford to challenge them, so they started using the name...and only after a series of lawyer letters did they add the "international" parts. I actually own the rights to the copyrighted logo of the spray etc as I drew the pictures and have the originals in my portfolio. I also purchased the rights to the corporate name. They have none of the original letters or documents and what they have published were part of newsletters that were sent out. Paid for either by the original secretary or myself at my own expense.

[banjoman]

Wow.

Can I have them?:p

[TimH]

The fake Slocum Society has a (incomplete?) list:

http://www.joshuaslocumsocietyintl.org/solo/solotable.htm

[Sailor]

I recall reading about that "fact" as well. I love the design but not sure about that. I've read about alot of circumnavigations from Robin's Dove to the big Volvo Open 60s (not all the same design though so the argument may not apply here) and I've never read of any H28s circumnavigating. I'm not saying that because I haven't seen it it doesn't exist. I'm saying that of the large sampling I've seen, I've never heard of it. Odds are there are others more "worldly" for lack of a better pun.

[jsg963]

In a list of contenders for most circumnavigations for a single class the Oswald Berckemeyer designed Miura should probably be considered. There are a number of people who think that it possibly would top the list but who knows?

http://www.steerage.co.za/miuraass/background.htm

[johnw]

Well, a South African boat should be a contender. It would be a lot easier to circumnavigate from there than from North America or Europe.

L.H.F designed the H-28 as a shallow-draft coastal cruiser. I don't doubt that some have circumnavigated, but I do doubt that it's the best design for the purpose.

[WX]

for the record breakers here (ie solo circumnavigations) the S&S 34 seems popular.

[johnw]

Funny, that period of IOR boats has a bad reputation for handling off the wind, and the S & S 34 resembles the "terrible twins," Roundabout and Clarionet, which had a reputation for winning races and for being difficult to manage down wind. I guess by the time they did this one, they'd figured out the problem.

http://boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/sailboats/3958d1125870008-s-s-34-specs-1959-s-s-34-ga.jpg