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Harbormaster
02-06-2010, 06:00 PM
will eventually merge into one country to fend off the dominance of the Chinese.

Maybe it will be a federation or something of that nature, but it wll make a mockery of this one national language argument. Also illegal immigrants.

Phillip Allen
02-06-2010, 06:01 PM
you must look for it to happen sooner rather than later...

Paul Pless
02-06-2010, 06:09 PM
but it wll make a mockery of this one national language argument. Also illegal immigrants.Yeah those French Canadiens will suredly be pissed off!!!

Phillip Allen
02-06-2010, 06:13 PM
wrong language Paul... :)

SMARTINSEN
02-06-2010, 06:41 PM
I am looking forward to using Ameros.:rolleyes:

Shades of Tylerdurden.

LeeG
02-06-2010, 06:52 PM
I predict Mel Brooks last comedy will be a Spanish comedy about the Bush adminstration

Flying Orca
02-06-2010, 07:53 PM
I don't believe it will happen in the foreseeable future. While there are Canadians who would appear to be enamoured of the U.S.A. and its systems, they are vastly outnumbered by those who are not. Therefore the only way Canada would voluntarily join with the U.S.A. would be if the latter changed its systems, and I don't see that happening.

I would not, however, rule out American hegemony on the grounds of energy and water security... in which case the Chinese may be the only plausible protector available. Not a happy scenario, however remote the possibility.

Rich Jones
02-06-2010, 08:05 PM
Since our two political parties can't agree on what day of the week it is, I certainly don't see them doing anything of the sort.

It does bother me, though, that we owe our souls to the Chinese.

JimD
02-06-2010, 08:09 PM
Eh?

Harbormaster
02-06-2010, 08:18 PM
I didn't say that anyone would be happy doing it, but I think there will come a time in the next hundred years when economic survival will over-ride the historic separations. For the most part the borders are arbitrary anyhow - in some form of confederation none of the countries would sacrifice their forms of government, just share some of the duties.

pefjr
02-06-2010, 08:25 PM
What possible advantage would Mexico offer? To either the US or Canada.

Michael D. Storey
02-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Yeah those French Canadiens will suredly be pissed off!!!

They already are.
It's in the blood.

Michael D. Storey
02-06-2010, 08:31 PM
I predict Mel Brooks last comedy will be a Spanish comedy about the Bush adminstration

Oh, that's good. A silent Spanish Comedy.
I'm still waiting the History of the World Part Two. Reckon Hitler on Ice would be even funnier than The Nuns.
After all, It's good to be da King

Duncan Gibbs
02-06-2010, 08:33 PM
Eh?

Reminds me of a joke a Canadian told me when I was an exchange student at Iowa State Uni':

Q. How does a Canadian spell 'Canada?'
A. C eh! N eh! D eh!

PeterSibley
02-06-2010, 08:38 PM
What possible advantage would Mexico offer? To either the US or Canada.

Workers willing to work for the kind of money US employers like to pay ?
Workers willing to relocate.
Great drug growing expertise .
A good climate .

Pugwash
02-06-2010, 08:49 PM
What possible advantage would Mexico offer? To either the US or Canada.

Wot he sed.


Workers willing to work for the kind of money US employers like to pay ?
Workers willing to relocate.
Great drug growing expertise .
A good climate .

Oh, and Healthcare.


According to the site www.internationalliving.com, health care in Mexico is described as very good to excellent while being highly affordable, with every medium to large city in Mexico having at least one first-rate hospital. In fact, some California insurers sell health insurance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance) policies that require members to go to Mexico for health care where costs are 40% lower.[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico#cite_note-6)

But mostly the drugs.....

:)

Upnorth1
02-06-2010, 08:53 PM
Jamais!!!!

Nanoose
02-06-2010, 09:04 PM
... but I think there will come a time in the next hundred years when economic survival will over-ride the historic separations.

I think in the next hundred years it will be more than economic survival on the table, and more than our 3 countries joining in some form.

LeeG
02-06-2010, 10:36 PM
in the next 100yrs there will be a lot less oil in the ground and a lot of CO2 in the air.

goodbasil
02-06-2010, 11:17 PM
Starting to sound like Biblical prophesy. World government.

PeterSibley
02-06-2010, 11:28 PM
The alternative is more likely , balkanisation .Lots of independent states going their own way ...a bit post apocalyptic but you guys have been talking about post big bang USA for a long time in movies and books .

Garret
02-06-2010, 11:37 PM
I didn't say that anyone would be happy doing it, but I think there will come a time in the next hundred years when economic survival will over-ride the historic separations. For the most part the borders are arbitrary anyhow - in some form of confederation none of the countries would sacrifice their forms of government, just share some of the duties.

Living in a state that borders Quebec, I can speak to some of this. A caveat of sorts: Vermont was a republic for a few years (long before Texas I might add) & had long debate as to whether to remain independent, join Canada or become the 14th state. Joining the US won by a very small #.

If you remove the post 9/11 US changes, the border is largely symbolic. There are towns that share fire departments, states & provinces that have mutual aid pacts (Vermont & northern NY chip in on a firefighting plane owned by Quebec, etc.), families living on both sides, etc. This has been made hugely worse by US gov't attitudes of late, but the underlying understanding that we're all in this together is still there in many ways.

Even today, the attitude in Quebec is very open to US citizens - particularly if one makes an effort to speak their language. That same openness shows on the Vermont side as well - just as it does in most border states. Check out the Broken City Lab (http://www.brokencitylab.org/cross-border-communication/)to see an example in Detroit/Windsor.

I don't know enough about the US-Mexican border to speak to the situation there, but I believe a federation concept could work with Canada, but (& it's a huge but!), it'd have to be one of equals & I don't believe Americans are capable of doing that - yet. Once we get over the "America's job is to tell the rest of the world how to live" phase (IOW once we grow up) we just might be ready.

'course we'd also have to get rid of the idjuts that think building walls along the borders is a good idea......

Another Garret 2 cents. My 2 centers might even add up to a quarter some day!

goodbasil
02-06-2010, 11:40 PM
It will come in stages. There has already been talk of adopting a common currency among the Mexicans, Americans and Canadians.(note spelling so as not to po Quebec.) To compete with the Euro dollar which was developed to compete with the greenback.

Pugwash
02-06-2010, 11:43 PM
Once we get over the "America's job is to tell the rest of the world how to live" phase (IOW once we grow up) we just might be ready.


Good luck with that, maybe 100 years and the loss of empire.

:)

Cuyahoga Chuck
02-06-2010, 11:49 PM
Anything is possible if your time horizon is unlimited. How about cranking some details out of your crystal ball?

purri
02-07-2010, 12:32 AM
Canada and Mexico hold the key in their respective resources and with an emerging agricultural climate due to climate change (rainfall). Bits of the US might balkanise esp the "rustbelt" but then again might reinvent itself as a multi purpose manufactory/refinery.

johnw
02-07-2010, 02:17 AM
Well, we've sort of been down this road before. During the War of 1812, we tried to invade Canada and got our asses kicked. In 1846-48, we went to war against Mexico and took about half their territory (of course, their claims to Texas were a bit fanciful at that point.)

The territory we took is in white.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Mexican_Cession_in_Mexican_View.PNG/680px-Mexican_Cession_in_Mexican_View.PNG

We don't really teach about that war much, but I doubt Mexico has forgotten.

Now, tell me how many countries merged to counteract American influence when we were on the rise. Didn't happen, because nations are not rational actors.

Pugwash
02-07-2010, 02:34 AM
n Pre-Columbian Mesoamerica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_Mesoamerica) many cultures matured into advanced civilizations such as the Olmec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec), the Toltec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toltec), the Teotihuacan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan), the Maya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization) and the Aztec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec) before the first contact with Europeans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe). In 1521, Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain) conquered and colonized the territory, which was administered as the viceroyalty of New Spain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Spain) which would eventually become Mexico as the colony gained independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_War_of_Independence) in 1821. The post-independence period was characterized by economic instability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Mexico#Independence), territorial secession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mexico#War_with_the_United_States) and civil war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_War), including foreign intervention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_intervention), two empires (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Emperors_of_Mexico) and two long domestic dictatorships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_Mexico). The latter led to the Mexican Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Revolution) in 1910, which culminated with the promulgation of the 1917 Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Mexico) and the emergence of the country's current political system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Mexico).

Apparently a big wall is going to resolve history.

Or so I'm told.

:)

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02-07-2010, 05:29 AM
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Harbormaster
02-07-2010, 07:21 AM
Didn't we try a version of balkanisation ? Wasn't that stopped in the Civil War? If the South had won, they probably would have had a hard time keeping their confederation together.

I think the "loss of empire" concept maybe the big motivator. There are a few different motivators at work here.

To some extent the demographics in the US is changing. As we slowly become more Hispanic, the aversion to a union with Mexico will diminish. And more and more CBC radio shows are on our Public Radio, other than their funny accents, the Canadians sound similar to Americans....

LeeG
02-07-2010, 08:02 AM
I sure hope we get those fusion reactors figured out because after the oil is gone asphalt roads will have as much oil as we'd be getting out of tar sands and coal will only last a bit longer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Oil_depletion_per_country.png/463px-Oil_depletion_per_country.png

TomF
02-07-2010, 04:54 PM
Political union ain't gonna happen. Closest would be a North American equivalent of the EU, with the US dominating because of population and economy size etc.

johnw
02-07-2010, 10:47 PM
I don't think they'd allow us to secede.

Garret
02-07-2010, 11:50 PM
Eh, I suppose we'd accept US States applying for provincehood on a case by case basis. Vermont sounds like a likely candidate.

Even though we turned you down in 1790? Wow, thanks! :)

Garret
02-07-2010, 11:54 PM
I don't think they'd allow us to secede.

10 or 15 years ago Martha's Vineyard & Nantucket came very close to joining Vermont. Vermont was good with it & as I remember, they had some support in the Mass legislature.

Of course part of a state joining another state is kinda different than leaving the country. Though I gotta admit, with how DC is/has been doing, Canada looks pretty good to me.

Mad Scientist
02-10-2010, 12:47 AM
...Once we get over the "America's job is to tell the rest of the world how to live" phase (IOW once we grow up) we just might be ready...

Sadly, there's a similar mindset in Canada. Traditionally, a significant number of Canadians have a large dose of anti-Americanism mixed in with their national self-identification.

I expect that Canada and the U.S. will be cooperating ever more closely on every level except political integration. I don't have any idea about how Mexico fits in...

Tom