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jack grebe
01-07-2010, 07:32 PM
Do you approve of the way things are going
with the Obama Administration ?

Captain Blight
01-07-2010, 07:37 PM
Overall, yes.

In some specifics, only kind of. And with a couple issues, not at all.

katey
01-07-2010, 07:38 PM
I'm with Blighty.

Hal Forsen
01-07-2010, 07:39 PM
Me too.

delecta
01-07-2010, 07:45 PM
Nice to see there is no need to heard the sheeple.

elf
01-07-2010, 07:46 PM
I approve of Congress being forced to actually govern - or not if that's what it turns out happens. In that sense I heartily approve of Mr. Obama forcing that to happen. It's long overdue.

But if it doesn't, the dirt on the fan is going to be extremely unpleasant. And if it turns out that populace doesn't want it to do that, and is unable to recognize the myriad things which have to be done, it's going to be very, very sad.

rbgarr
01-07-2010, 07:51 PM
Compared to the alternative choice that was available? No question.

Memphis Mike
01-07-2010, 07:52 PM
Yes.

jack grebe
01-07-2010, 07:52 PM
Compared to the alternative choice that was available? No question.
As in Hillary?

Hwyl
01-07-2010, 07:52 PM
Why isn't there a "No taxation without representation" option.

jack grebe
01-07-2010, 07:54 PM
Why isn't there a "No taxation without representation" option.
Cause it was a simple Yes Or No question:D

Captain Blight
01-07-2010, 08:02 PM
As in Hillary?

Wrong bubblehead.

stumpbumper
01-07-2010, 09:51 PM
I think he has done as well as anyone could do considering what he was handed.

brad9798
01-07-2010, 10:55 PM
That's why yes or no questions are useless in my world ... life is about angles ... situations (personal and business), emotions, and the human condition.

Is he doing okay? Yes.

Considering what he inherited? Yes.

Is he another lying, phony politician? Yes.

TimH
01-08-2010, 12:43 AM
I thought we would immediately return to 1995


I guess not :)

About 100% better than Bush. Not as good as Clinton.

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-08-2010, 12:57 AM
Do I!
Well on second thought maybe not.
Then, again......

Cuyahoga Chuck
01-08-2010, 01:00 AM
Why isn't there a "No taxation without representation" option.

With the enormous bureaucracy we support di you think you could get that proposition past any judge in the land?

pefjr
01-08-2010, 01:28 AM
I voted for hope&change, I got a War President.

Now tell me he inherited Afghanistan, when he tripled the troops and doubled the casualties. The best advice he was getting came from his own VP. He ignored it and went with the MIC.

He is bringing a genuine circus of a trial to NY, totally unnecessarily.

He appointed a loser, liar, and linen thief to Secretary of State( at least she had a purple heart). Plus he chose two Czars that had to be weeded out. He gave Ted Kennedy a Medal of Freedom:rolleyes:

Not a bad first year huh? I can hardly wait for the second year and the circus.

I give him an A for crediting the troops for their sacrifice to their country.

Maybe he can improve.

And elf, How is the president forcing Congress ?

skuthorp
01-08-2010, 02:29 AM
See #15
Too early to tell

Phillip Allen
01-08-2010, 04:46 AM
still waiting for him to restore our constitution...no vote yet as there is no 'still waiting' choice

brad9798
01-08-2010, 10:09 PM
Wonder where is our buddy on all things political, Phillip Allen! :confused: ;)

ljb5
01-09-2010, 12:45 AM
Wonder where is our buddy on all things political, Phillip Allen! :confused: ;)

I'm in Ouray at the ice climbing fest, partying with Steve House and Conrad Anker, so don't worry too much about me. ;)

Honestly, I find it very creepy that I'm away from the forum for 24 hours and you need to know where I am.

The forum opinion is running more than three to one in approval, so you shouldn't need my input on the subject.

brad9798
01-09-2010, 01:04 AM
Ignore feature ...

What did you say, again?!?!

:D

Glen Longino
01-09-2010, 01:11 AM
I voted for hope&change, I got a War President.

Now tell me he inherited Afghanistan, when he tripled the troops and doubled the casualties. The best advice he was getting came from his own VP. He ignored it and went with the MIC.

He is bringing a genuine circus of a trial to NY, totally unnecessarily.

He appointed a loser, liar, and linen thief to Secretary of State( at least she had a purple heart). Plus he chose two Czars that had to be weeded out. He gave Ted Kennedy a Medal of Freedom:rolleyes:

Not a bad first year huh? I can hardly wait for the second year and the circus.

I give him an A for crediting the troops for their sacrifice to their country.

Maybe he can improve.

And elf, How is the president forcing Congress ?

Be patient, you danged idgit!
You sat around here with your head quietly up your arse for the last ten years with no complaints, give us another year or two, okay?:rolleyes::)

pefjr
01-09-2010, 11:05 AM
Be patient, you danged idgit!
You sat around here with your head quietly up your arse for the last ten years with no complaints, give us another year or two, okay?:rolleyes::)And you were one of the hypocrites that spouted you would not support Obama if he sent more troops to Afghanistan. :rolleyes:

Joe (SoCal)
01-09-2010, 11:12 AM
I'm in Ouray at the ice climbing fest, partying with Steve House and Conrad Anker, so don't worry too much about me. ;)

Honestly, I find it very creepy that I'm away from the forum for 24 hours and you need to know where I am.

The forum opinion is running more than three to one in approval, so you shouldn't need my input on the subject.

OMG Ouray is one of my favorite little known towns in the whole world. LOVE that place, the hot springs, the little bowl you are in surrounded by the San Jauns , the cool little bar down the end of main St. ;) ( wont even go into that ;) ) The ride into the town is just spectacular. Wow enjoy your time I've bike rode that whole section TWICE in 20 years amazing place.

Oh and this is like the 3 or 4th poll Jack has posted regarding Obama's approval :rolleyes:. I guess he keeps hoping for a different result than the one he keeps getting ;)

pefjr
01-09-2010, 11:39 AM
OMG Ouray is one of my favorite little known towns in the whole world. LOVE that place, the hot springs, the little bowl you are in surrounded by the San Jauns , the cool little bar down the end of main St. ;) ( wont even go into that ;) ) The ride into the town is just spectacular. Wow enjoy your time I've bike rode that whole section TWICE in 20 years amazing place.

No pictures? It did not happen!

Chris Coose
01-09-2010, 11:56 AM
The guy will be re-elected mostly because the republicans are now represented by Rush, Hannity and Beck.
Their male politicians are off hiking the AT and their female leaders are crazier than sh*thouserats.

pefjr
01-09-2010, 02:32 PM
Jeb Bush

pipefitter
01-09-2010, 02:37 PM
Disappointed? No. But then I wasn't expecting much, especially now, with his supporters willing to base their standards to what he "inherited".

A Clinton retread, just running on a different highway, with the whitewalls turned inward this time.

Edited to add: No, this does not mean I think McCain would have done any better. Just that we needed something different than the current administration. The whole "change" gimmick has turned out to be exactly what I expected.

jack grebe
01-09-2010, 02:49 PM
Oh and this is like the 3 or 4th poll Jack has posted regarding Obama's approval :rolleyes:. I guess he keeps hoping for a different result than the one he keeps getting ;)
No, just taking the temp. around here.
We are about 1 yr into this illusion and I figured the rose
colored glasses may be getting scratched a little with
time.

but, no, the demetia is still here

jack grebe
01-09-2010, 02:50 PM
Jeb Bush
could walk on water and still never get elected.

THANKS "W"

sailboy3
01-09-2010, 02:58 PM
Not enough options. Politicians are politicians no matter which side of the aisle they come from.

Garret
01-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Compared to the alternative choice that was available? No question.

Precisely

The549
01-09-2010, 03:06 PM
I was full of hope.
I expected miracles.
I expected immediate results.
I expected a new and vastly improved society.

Yup, just a little disappointed, but resolved to give it some time.

qft

Sharpie21
01-09-2010, 03:12 PM
still waiting for him to restore our constitution...no vote yet as there is no 'still waiting' choice
Both parties have forgotten the simple but eloquently outlined principles found in that old, old document called The Constitution. We have far too much legislating going on. I wish we could put the entire apparatus on vacation for a year or two, and then start fresh with an entirely new crew that took the concept of limited federal powers seriously. The modern attitude seems to be 'anything goes,' let the Supreme Court force us to back off. Nuts to that.
William F. Buckley once said that he would rather trust the federal government to 435 people selected at random from the Boston phone book than the elected crew in office at that time. I think that idea is outstanding, more so for today than ever.
In closing, Atlas Shrugged.

Tom Montgomery
01-09-2010, 03:50 PM
28% disapprove? Where have I heard that number before?

Tristan
01-09-2010, 03:53 PM
I'm waiting for him to bang some democratic heads together and perhaps to get the f out of the hopeless wars in the middle east. I fail to see that we are accomplishing any thing beyond creating endless ill will. Maybe the solution is to let them kill one another until they get tired of it.

Garret
01-09-2010, 04:35 PM
I'm waiting for him to bang some democratic heads together and perhaps to get the f out of the hopeless wars in the middle east. I fail to see that we are accomplishing any thing beyond creating endless ill will. Maybe the solution is to let them kill one another until they get tired of it.

Hear hear! A bit of thread drift:

A question that keeps occurring to me: if there are so many non-extreme Muslims in the world, why aren't they crying out against the violence being done in their name? I don't get it. If Rush et al traded words for guns, there would be a huge outcry from members of the Christian faith. At least the ones who don't spout their "faith" every 30 seconds anyway....

Dunno....

Captain Blight
01-09-2010, 04:41 PM
There is a tremendous hue and cry in the Muslim world against extremist violence. It is very distinctly NOT being reported here, because it isn't seen as "news." But log into Al-Jazeera once in a while, it's a valuable resource and a lens into the mindset of the medium Arab.

Tristan
01-09-2010, 06:50 PM
I read something today which strikes me as realistic, to the effect that Muslim extremism can only be addressed effectively by Muslims. Maybe if we get the hell out of Dodge the "other" Muslims will attend to business.

Captain Blight
01-09-2010, 07:03 PM
Good point: There was no "al-Quaeda in Iraq" until WE were in Iraq, for example.

brad9798
01-09-2010, 07:14 PM
Edited to add: No, this does not mean I think McCain would have done any better. Just that we needed something different than the current administration. The whole "change" gimmick has turned out to be exactly what I expected.

My thoughts EXACTLY!!! :(

But clowns like lj will never admit it! NEVER! Why? Because it take b@lls to admit their guy is about as big a buffoon as his predecessor! :(

Captain Blight
01-09-2010, 07:23 PM
When I cast my vote for Mr Obama, I was casting a vote for ANYONE but McCain, ANYTHING but "four more years of the last eight years." I was voting for someone who (yes, as opposed to GWB) doesn't think ideology can stand in for governance. For someone who believes that feminism is the radical notion that women are equal too; who doesn't decry homosexuality as some disgusting aberration in public, and then consorts with known male prostitutes in his off hours (Google "Jeff Gannon" if you don't believe me). I wanted to vote for someone who doesn't think of America as some Norman Rockwell gingham-and-skinned-knees idyll; someone who has a chance of understanding that the USA no longer holds (and probably never will have again) the international eminence of the '50s and '60s. Who doesn't think that dinosaur of diplomacy, the Monroe Doctrine, needs to be crammed down the throats of people around the world. Who doesn't have a grudge against other world leaders for what they may or may not have done to his daddy. Who would roundly reject the Bush Doctrine of "Pre-Emptive Strike" (Or War as First Resort) and instead start using the diplomatic corps for its intended purpose. I was voting for someone who had more than three brain cells to rub together, and who was capable of nuanced, measured decisions instead of going with snap decisions and gut reactions. I wanted, in short, a leader I wasn't ashamed of.

I think I have that in Mr Obama. I can live with that decision very well.



Originally Posted by Sinead O'Connor

I will have my own policies
I will sleep with a clear conscience
I will sleep in peace

maybe it sounds mean
but I really don't think so
you asked for the truth and I told you
through their own words
they will be exposed
they've got a severe case of
The emperor's new clothes...

Captain Blight
01-09-2010, 07:28 PM
Mr Grebe, I have to ask: Why is it so hard for you to believe that over half of your neighbors are people who are, overall, not displeased with Mr Obama as President?

Do you actually believe that Mr Obama has GOT to follow through with EVERY ONE of his campaign promises RIGHT NOW or else he's a failure? Come now, sir; apply a bit of logic to the situation.

Or are you simply of the belief that anyone who doesn't agree with you politically is either a simpleton, a credulous fool, or a liar?

Glen Longino
01-09-2010, 10:49 PM
My thoughts EXACTLY!!! :(

But clowns like lj will never admit it! NEVER! Why? Because it take b@lls to admit their guy is about as big a buffoon as his predecessor! :(

Of course we won't admit that Obama is as bat**** crazy as GW and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rove, because he is not and never will be.
We've had a belly full of buffoons with more balls than brains. Get over it!:eek::rolleyes::)

brad9798
01-09-2010, 11:24 PM
Do you actually believe that Mr Obama has GOT to follow through with EVERY ONE of his campaign promises RIGHT NOW

Yea ... but Obama is worse than any of them, at this point ... promising better (before he had a clue about the 'job.'

BO stinks ... whether it is on a tee-shirt or in the White House ...

He's gotten in way over his head ... and ... "YES" I voted for him ...

And right now, along with MILLIONS of others, I am ashamed!

Nothing more than the typical, WORTHLESS, political clown.

And for me, that is saying something!

:( :(

Please, lj, correct me ... ;)

johnw
01-09-2010, 11:39 PM
I voted for hope&change, I got a War President.

Perhaps you missed this:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama%27s_Iraq_Speech

Obama has always seen Afghanistan as a war there was a point to. It was starved of forces and set on the back burner for about 7 years. If you decide to actually fight that war, there are casualties. Yes, there are casualties in war. Otherwise, it would just be a rather nasty argument with a lot of pushing and shoving.

Perhaps if you had actually listened to what he was saying, you might have had some idea what to expect.

pefjr
01-09-2010, 11:45 PM
There is not one poppy seed worth fighting over in Afghanistan. Biden knows that.

PatCox
01-09-2010, 11:55 PM
A year ago, we were fearing a total collapse of the international financial system and a new great depression. Now, there is some hope that there will be a slow and painful climb back, even though unemployment will be horrible for the next few years.

During the election campaign, all this was not even on the radar, it was only admitted that a recession had started in 2007 after the election of 2009.

The economic and financial crisis which only became real to us in September of 2008 was not even part of the politics of the election.

That Obama has not done many of the things he promised, and that what he promised has not been done as many would wish, damn, I have to say, that he has done anything, other than what he has done to deal with the financial and economic ****storm that hit only 6 weeks before the election, is amazing.

Gitmo and gay marriage and health care reform, these are nothing to what he has done, which has been to prevent the total meltdown of the world financial system, and thats not even something we were expecting him to have to deal with, when we elected him.

PatCox
01-09-2010, 11:58 PM
Ya know, this will be totally discounted by conservatives, but I think there is a pretty clear pattern over the last 40 years in US politics, and that is that Republican presidents run up the credit card bills and call it prosperity, and then leave it to dem presidents to deal with the mess, and then blame the dems for the pain that real financial responsibility requires.

brad9798
01-10-2010, 12:00 AM
Gitmo

So Gitmo is closed?

And all Americans have healthcare?

Really? WOW! That is cool!


The economic and financial crisis which only became real to us in September of 2008 was not even part of the politics of the election.

YOUR a$$!!!!!

Who do you think you are kidding ... again, I voted for the douche bag! Sadly!

:(

johnw
01-10-2010, 12:05 AM
There is not one poppy seed worth fighting over in Afghanistan. Biden knows that.
That was never Obama's view, nor did he say it was.

Looks to me like the guy is doing pretty much what he said he would, but people projected so many hopes on him that the expectations were unsupportable.

johnw
01-10-2010, 12:09 AM
Ya know, this will be totally discounted by conservatives, but I think there is a pretty clear pattern over the last 40 years in US politics, and that is that Republican presidents run up the credit card bills and call it prosperity, and then leave it to dem presidents to deal with the mess, and then blame the dems for the pain that real financial responsibility requires.
There is one exception: George H.W. Bush. That's why, when he ran for re-election, the Republicans sat on their hands.

In the long sweep of American history, the party representing the farmers tends to run up the credit and go with easy money. That used to be the Democrats, now it's the Republicans.

Vince Brennan
01-10-2010, 12:12 AM
I voted no, and I'm a committed Democratic Socialist Red-hugging Leftie Fellow-traveler Pinko!

I'm just not happy with the way things are going... it seems to be "Meet the new Boss.... Same as the old Boss..."

NOT what I campaigned, worked and voted for at all.

What are the requirements for emigration to Sweden?

brad9798
01-10-2010, 12:33 AM
not what i campaigned, worked and voted for at all.

exactly!!!!

brad9798
01-10-2010, 12:34 AM
So, is GITMO closed ... and if it is, is it only a transfer to other prisons ... and do we all have national health care, yet???

;)

johnw
01-10-2010, 12:36 AM
I voted no, and I'm a committed Democratic Socialist Red-hugging Leftie Fellow-traveler Pinko!

I'm just not happy with the way things are going... it seems to be "Meet the new Boss.... Same as the old Boss..."

NOT what I campaigned, worked and voted for at all.

What are the requirements for emigration to Sweden?
It helps if you're a reindeer.

pefjr
01-10-2010, 12:49 AM
That was never Obama's view, nor did he say it was.

Looks to me like the guy is doing pretty much what he said he would, but people projected so many hopes on him that the expectations were unsupportable.Did Obama campaign on: "I will triple the troops in Afghanistan and that means the casualties will be doubled". I don't remember that. Did he say the MIC must be supported and we must fight on at any cost, regardless? Don't remember that.

johnw
01-10-2010, 01:00 AM
He campaigned on finding a way out of Iraq and prosecuting the war he saw as necessary, the one in Afghanistan. He wanted to shift the resources from the optional war to the necessary war. You just weren't paying attention.

TimH
01-10-2010, 01:20 AM
Obama is no miracle worker, but he has his **** together and has the average American in his best interest.

Glen Longino
01-10-2010, 01:28 AM
And you were one of the hypocrites that spouted you would not support Obama if he sent more troops to Afghanistan. :rolleyes:

I was disappointed when Obama said he was sending more troops.
Am I as disappointed as I was the past eight years? Hell no!
Would I vote for Mr. Obama again rather than McCain and Palin? Hell yes!

pefjr
01-10-2010, 10:41 AM
He campaigned on finding a way out of Iraq and prosecuting the war he saw as necessary, the one in Afghanistan. He wanted to shift the resources from the optional war to the necessary war. You just weren't paying attention.Necessary?? hmm...MIC....economy.... hmm...

That would make a good recruitment slogan for the Army:

Uncle Sam needs you to fight a war in order to fuel the MIC and keep the economy strong. Its "Necessary"

...... at any cost.


Are you thinking johw? or, are you repeating? Are you paying attention?

johnw
01-10-2010, 03:59 PM
How quickly you forget, pef. The Taliban let Osama bin Laden train people and operate openly there. That's where the 9/11 attack came from. I agave you a link to Obama's 2002 speech, and he hasn't changed his stand on this, so why would you be disappointed? He's doing what he said he would do. You hoped he would do something different. Guess you just weren't thinking.

Memphis Mike
01-10-2010, 04:01 PM
Hey Jack, thanks for the advice yesterday. The shop light trick worked. Thanks again buddy!

pefjr
01-10-2010, 04:49 PM
How quickly you forget, pef. The Taliban let Osama bin Laden train people and operate openly there. That's where the 9/11 attack came from. I agave you a link to Obama's 2002 speech, and he hasn't changed his stand on this, so why would you be disappointed? He's doing what he said he would do. You hoped he would do something different. Guess you just weren't thinking.Everyone had a pro-Afghanistan 2002 speech, johw, do you know what year it is now?

brad9798
01-10-2010, 08:35 PM
Obama is no miracle worker, but he has his **** together and has the average American in his best interest.

You were/ARE kidding, right?

Tim, you are smarter than that stupid sentiment!

:(

johnw
01-11-2010, 01:50 PM
Everyone had a pro-Afghanistan 2002 speech, johw, do you know what year it is now?
That is possibly the most inane question you've ever asked me. How many people had and anti-Iraq speech which was pro-Afghan war? As far as I can recall, two. Obama and Sen. Byrd. Obama has been clear on his priorities for the past eight years. You just haven't been paying attention.

johnw
01-11-2010, 01:56 PM
By the way, whatever you may think, the Afghan people think things are going the right direction.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/views-improve-sharply-afghanistan-criticisms-us-stay-high/story?id=9511961

pefjr
01-11-2010, 03:05 PM
By the way, whatever you may think, the Afghan people think things are going the right direction.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/views-improve-sharply-afghanistan-criticisms-us-stay-high/story?id=9511961

The first paragraph sounds great, but its not backed up in the rest of the article. Read the whole article.

BTW ,nothing would please me more than for you to be right. But.......

Garret
01-11-2010, 03:19 PM
The first paragraph sounds great, but its not backed up in the rest of the article. Read the whole article.

BTW ,nothing would please me more than for you to be right. But.......

What??? Network News putting a spin on things? No way! :eek:

I think a more accurate title would be "Things are looking a bit better - but we want you to think everything's OK".

johnw
01-11-2010, 03:47 PM
The first paragraph sounds great, but its not backed up in the rest of the article. Read the whole article.

BTW ,nothing would please me more than for you to be right. But.......
I did read the whole article, and what you say is simply untrue. Here's the full article so others may judge for themselves.



Views Improve Sharply in Afghanistan, Though Criticisms of the U.S. Stay High


ABC News-BBC-ARD National Survey of Afghanistan


ANALYSIS by GARY LANGER
Jan. 11, 2010

Hopes for a brighter future have soared in Afghanistan, bolstered by a broad rally in support for the country's re-elected president, improved development efforts and economic gains. Blame on the United States and NATO for violence has eased but their overall ratings remain weak.
In one key shift, the latest poll by ABC News, the BBC and ARD German TV finds that sharply more Afghans now see the Taliban as the main source of their country's strife, while many fewer blame the United States or its allies significant progress in a central aim of the new commander of U.S. and NATO forces, Gen. Stanley McChrystal.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/PollingUnit/abc_afghanistan_where_things_stand_100109_mn.jpgA new poll in Afghanistan finds hopes for a brighter future soaring, bolstered by a broad rally in support for newly re-elected Hamid Karzai, improved development efforts and economic gains.
(ABC News Photo Illustration)
More Photos (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/slideshow?id=9513764)

Click here for PDF of analysis with charts and full questionnaire. (http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1099a1Afghanistan-WhereThingsStand.pdf)

Click here for charts on the results. (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/slideshow?id=9514628)

Click here for photos from the field. (http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/slideshow?id=9513764)

Another, basic change is larger still: After steep declines in recent years there's been a 30-point advance in views that the country is headed in the right direction; 70 percent now say so, the most since 2005. Afghans' expectations that their own lives will be better a year from now have jumped by 20 points, to 71 percent, a new high. And there's been a 14-point rise in expectations that the next generation will have a better life, to 61 percent.
Many challenges remain. Complaints about official corruption are higher than ever. Views of the United States and NATO's performance remain poor, with six in 10 rating their work negatively. And accounts of local violence have held steady, with many Afghans still blaming allied forces for civilian casualties. All these raise the question of whether the overall improvements can hold as Hamid Karzai's honeymoon fades and the fighting continues.
There also are significant regional differences. Support for U.S. and NATO efforts are sharply lower in the South and East, where the fighting is heaviest. Local support for the Taliban rises to 27 percent on its home turf, in the country's Southwest, vs. 10 percent in the rest of the country. And views of the country's direction are markedly less bright in some high-conflict areas, such as Helmand, heart of the opium poppy trade.
Critical from the U.S. perspective is that, despite poor views of its performance, 68 percent of Afghans continue to support the presence of U.S. forces in their country and nearly as many, 61 percent, favor the coming surge of Western troops initiated by President Obama. But support for the surge drops to 42 percent in the South and East; support for the presence of U.S. forces also drops in these regions, and support for attacks on U.S. and NATO forces, while sharply down overall, remains much higher in the restive South.

jack grebe
01-11-2010, 05:07 PM
Hey Jack, thanks for the advice yesterday. The shop light trick worked. Thanks again buddy!
No Problem:cool: