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PeterSibley
01-07-2010, 05:48 AM
and of course I didn't have a camera with me ! :(

a special bodied 2 door 1948 Bentley ,dark blue with cream leather upholstery :).I might yet be convinced that wealth has advantages .
.Aerobody work in the manner of a Bugatti .

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/380793357.jpg

or a Delage

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/380793355.jpg

purri
01-07-2010, 06:09 AM
No!
Probably a post WW2 Bentley Continental, certainly there are a few abt 1956 onward here with Mulliner/ Park Ward part alloy bodies but the quickest may be a MK3 variant AFAIK and the most sexy a "siamese headlight" convertible. YUM!!!

Unless some aspirational has done a recent import.

PeterSibley
01-07-2010, 06:19 AM
Entirely possible .I did stop when he stopped to ask directions , wandered over and introduced myself .1948 Bentley ,wire knock offs ...the body could have been built anywhere .I forgot to ask .

coelacanth2
01-07-2010, 07:01 AM
Steering wheel is probably on the wrong side...darn. Gorgeous, though, and thank you.

Pugwash
01-07-2010, 07:07 AM
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/380793357.jpg



Looks like one of those hover cars we were told everyone was going to be driving, back in the sixties.

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 12:55 PM
Here's the Freestone and Webb offering from that year. Roller in this case

http://www.remarkablecars.com/for-sale/data/4210/1948-rolls-royce-silver-wraith-17707.jpg

PeterSibley
01-07-2010, 03:32 PM
Here's the Freestone and Webb offering from that year. Roller in this case

http://www.remarkablecars.com/for-sale/data/4210/1948-rolls-royce-silver-wraith-17707.jpg

Nothing like that Ian ,it was hard to imagine how GOOD it looked ,with the big vertical Bentley radiator , very surprising ! The Bugatti image is very close ....other than the doors .

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/380793357.jpg

Nicholas Carey
01-07-2010, 03:33 PM
or a Delage

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/380793355.jpg
Sexiest.
Car.
Ever.
:D

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 07:03 PM
Peter, I seem to recall something about a Bentley like you describe, but can't pin it down.

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 07:08 PM
Could be this one... no photo where this advert was any more though. Tried the RS Panels site too but no luck.

1948 Bentley Special For Sale
One of the most attractive and radical Specials ever. Alan Padgett built in 1977 featuring a Bentley S1 4,900cc engine on triple 45DCOE Webers. R Type Continental gearbox with front disc brakes with adjustable bias. All enveloped in a superb RS Panels crafted polished aluminium body. Three owners since constructed the last two rather well known. Taxed and Mot'd by Aston Martin Works Service who have done this for some time. A very exciting road car that can be used for races or rallies. Competition history documented in Ray Roberts book plus since then has done the 1994 Carrera Panamerica! Built & finished in 1977 by Martin Trentham who campaigned it extensively in the 70's/ 80s, chassis 1948 MK VI . Heavily modified by Alan Padgett, body by Bob Smith (RS Panels) Engine 4.9 S1 with upgraded cam/valves & ported head.running triple webber 45 D coe’s. Exhaust specially made, gas flowed and balanced. Gearbox is “R” type continental. MK 1 x Jaguar back axle, fitted with new (in 1977) Salisbury power lok 3.07 to 1 diff. Brakes are 4 pot callipers to front & drums to the rear with twin servos & adjustable brake bias in cockpit. Shockers fitted (by Koni) 6.5J x 15 wheels with Michelin xwx tyres (235/75/15 recommended for ordinary road use) Built in fire extinguisher system & external. Battery cut out Willans race harnesses Uprated cooling system for Mexico, twin electric fans & 2 heater tanks. Large fuel filter system fitted for rough petrol in Mexico (can be removed for European use) Oil cooler fitted. Electronic ignition switchable to dual coil back up. Body raised 7cm for Carrera Pan America (can be lowered again) Upgraded alternator fitted. Large monza cap to fuel tank. Intercom fitted in centre console (helmet units required). Long range air horns fitted for Mexico. Looked after by Aston Martin works service (Heritage Department), although they are secretive about wealthy clients! MOT’s are always done by them with last owner who was Madame Valerie Merciers husband (Champagne family) who bought it from Victor Gauntlett ( who owned Aston Martin at the time) Car is documented in Ray Roberts book of Bentley Specials on, also records some of its competition history.

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 07:36 PM
Hmm.. this from an interesting blogspot. This person has some great car photos

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXgQ/SHRGafVpvOI/AAAAAAAAS7M/cbp9005Vwxg/s400/Talbot+T23+Figoni+%26+Falaschi+Teardrop+Coupe.jpg

Talbot T23 Figoni & Falaschi Teardrop Coupe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXgQ/SHRGJf0M2KI/AAAAAAAAS7E/UgEWc1EXWkM/s400/Rolls+Royce+PII+Jonckheere+Aerodynamic+Coupe.jpg

Rolls Royce PII Jonckheere Aerodynamic Coupe

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXgQ/SHRCrDOsWlI/AAAAAAAAS20/MgOZmZn441o/s400/Delahaye+135+Competition+Court+Coupe+Figoni+%26+Fa laschi.jpg

Delahaye 135 Competition Court Coupe Figoni & Falaschi

Read more: http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2008_07_06_archive.html#ixzz0bydHKqGX (http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2008_07_06_archive.html#ixzz0bydHKqGX)




http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXgQ/SHRAin4yLvI/AAAAAAAAS1M/jY1okpYcadg/s400/Bentley%2BSpeed%2BSix%2BBlue%2BTrain%2BSpecial.jpg&imgrefurl=http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2008_07_06_archive.html&usg=__A81IkH88qwnaPA44rBJdFqa9eJA=&h=260&w=400&sz=33&hl=en&start=66&um=1&tbnid=6ogDLAiwp1hHTM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBentley%2Baero%2Bspecial%26ndsp%3D20% 26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D60%26um%3D1

Captain Blight
01-07-2010, 07:41 PM
Hey there's a CAR in that bottom photo Ian, I didn't notice it at first!

ChaseKenyon
01-07-2010, 07:50 PM
Try a 56 or so Zagato bodied or even the Turing bodied Pegasso.

if you want to know the Pegasso specs and performance just read about the Porsche 928. It's specs are almost an exact copy years and years later.

P.S. The one I judged at the inaugural Chinetti Invitational Concours was at least 3 times more beautiful in the metal as in photos. In French Bugatti blue no less.

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 07:53 PM
Yeah, there's some stylish later ones.... but Peter said '48

ChaseKenyon
01-07-2010, 08:21 PM
oh well I stillthink they were phenominal


he Z-102 employed racing-car technology in its chassis and alloy body. Everything was produced in-house at Barcelona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona), where the Pegaso cars factory was, with the exception of the external coachworking, either by Carrozzeria Touring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrozzeria_Touring), Serra or Saoutchik (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saoutchik&action=edit&redlink=1) (although early Z-102 units carry Pegaso-made bodies). A four-cam all-alloy V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8) engine, dry-sump lubrication, and a 5-speed non-syncronmesh gearbox mounted with the differential as a unit were within a pressed steel chassis. The Z-102 started life as two prototypes in 1951 as a coupe and a drophead. The coupe and convertible had dumpy steel bodies, and weight was an issue to the extent that Pegaso made the decision to revert to alloy for the coachwork. Coachbuilder Touring then 'beautified' the design, replacing the grille with a two-piece cross, lowering the car, repositioning the foglights, and simplifying various details to give it a clean profile, similar to the contemporary Aston Martin DB2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_DB2) and the Lancia Aurelia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Aurelia), that was the most memorable and numerous of all Z-102 bodies.
The Z102 entered production with a 2.5 (2472cc) litre engine as used in the prototypes, though later there were variants with 2.8 (2816cc), and 3.2 (3178cc) litre DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) desmodromic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic_valve) 32-valve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppet_valve) V8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8) 360 hp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower) (270 kW) engines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engines) with multiple carburetors or optional supercharger. Horsepower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower) ranged from 175 to 360, and, transferred through a five-speed gearbox and gear-driven camshaft, the fastest could reach 160 mph, (256 km/h), exceeding Ferrari autos, thus making it the world's fastest production car at the time.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] The base car had an 120 mph (192 km/h) top speed.
The main beams of the car's frame had large lightening holes, and the wheel wells under the body were used as stressed members.
This rear-wheel-drive car had its transmission in the rear, connected to the differential (making it a transaxle). But it was unusually located behind the differential within a reverse A-frame whose apex was at the rear of the chassis. A fuel tank was situated on each side of the transmission.
The rear suspension was of the De Dion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Dion_tube) type, with the unusual feature that, to restrain the tube from side-to-side movement, its tube had a small wheel at its midpoint that rolled in a vertical channel on the front of the differential (which in a De Dion system is bolted to the chassis) instead of using a Watts linkage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_linkage) or a Panhard rod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard_rod).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Pegaso_Z-102_white_vr_TCE.jpg/800px-Pegaso_Z-102_white_vr_TCE.jpg

ChaseKenyon
01-07-2010, 08:28 PM
My 1999 S/C 4.0 liter Jaguar has somewhere around 370 as stated by factory but others exactly like it have recorded up to 420 at the rear wheels. Look at the S/C output for the 3.2 Pegasso.....360 BHP back in 56 or 57. and for the Ducati fans check out the 32 valve Desmodromic heads.

I still remember the sound of one of these V8's wound out to the red line climbing a hill in the Rioja district in a farm truck hauling grapes back in 73, Sweet music it was.

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 09:01 PM
A very different beast indeed. A Bentley is more of a truck, don't forget.

I was thinking of getting a Bentley Turbo about 5 years back. A mate talked me out of it. Another friend of his had put his in for a service and got handed a bill for $60,000. It resulted in a court case. I don't know any more details, but I will ask him next time I see him.

PeterSibley
01-07-2010, 09:01 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXgQ/SHRGafVpvOI/AAAAAAAAS7M/cbp9005Vwxg/s400/Talbot+T23+Figoni+%26+Falaschi+Teardrop+Coupe.jpg

Talbot T23 Figoni & Falaschi Teardrop Coupe

That's pretty close Ian , graft on a Bentley radiator and paint it dark blue ...then add wire wheels .Faired in headlights too.

OconeePirate
01-07-2010, 10:51 PM
I -had- a 1957 Jaguar XK-140 (brought it up because that body was considered by some to be a copy of the above Bugatti.) Had to sell it to get the business going. :(

PeterSibley
01-07-2010, 11:10 PM
XK 140 ??? A very nice machine , capable of some serious long distance mile gobbling !

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 11:18 PM
XK 140 ??? A very nice machine , capable of some serious long distance mile gobbling !

Only if the road is straight... and there's not a lot of cars that need passing.

These old things are OK for a bit of fun, but when it comes to going fast, the last couple of decades have made a big, big difference, particularly in braking and suspension. The old XK may have 4 wheel disks (as did my old late 50's 3.4 Jags)... but they were very, very primitive - non vented, single piston.

Speaking of braking, I must organise a comparison test between my two E34 Bimmers... the 535 has 4 wheel disks, vented at the front. The M5 has larger diameter and thicker disks, vented front and back - and since I put the Brembo calipers and larger disks on the front, has 4 spot front calipers. I shaved 3/4 second off my Winton lap time with them... and I reckon there's more shaving available, because I was still over-braking on a couple of the corners.

The old Moss gearbox wasn't exactly a speed enhancer either.

PeterSibley
01-07-2010, 11:23 PM
Come on Ian ,that's like comparing a Spitfire to an F18 and concluding the Spit is crap !

A mate's XK 140 held the MG car club record Melbourne to Brisbane for quite a few years , 14 hours .Not too slow for a 1956 car .

The Bigfella
01-07-2010, 11:46 PM
Yeah, sort of.... just saying they aren't THAT serious a mile gobbling car.

Melb to Bris - that'd have to be the Newell Hwy... 1705 km. Average speed 122 kph... including stops. Quite do-able, plod permitting.

A couple of mates did Perth to Sydney in 41 hours once... 4,000 km. Another mate did Sydney - Cairns and back on a Kwacka 900 (IIRC)... 5,000k in one weekend... a mad Greek bloke, known to all as Harry the Wheel. Knowing him, it would have been flat out the whole way.

Probably the quickest trip "a friend" did was Sydney to Coffs, 30 years back.... 365 miles in 4 1/2 hours.... 131 kph average. That was back in the days of the nasty twisty bits too. That was on the R90S. "The friend" even got it airborne at 160 kph - hit a timber bridge that had been flood damaged... at Clybucca. Landed on the wrong side of the road and the bars snapped around rather viciously too. Luckily no-one was coming the other way. That was the "friends'" trip to farewell Granny. I nearly got wiped out within a kilometer of the same spot on my trip north for Mum's funeral. A much slower trip in the Merc, with the family on board. I was waiting to overtake a semi when it ran over a large, flattened cardboard carton... the semi spat it out into the bonnet and windscreen of the car. An "interesting" experience.

PeterSibley
01-08-2010, 12:06 AM
Pretty damn good for 1956 ......and the price they sold for .

The Bigfella
01-08-2010, 12:20 AM
Yeah, I had a customer who had an unrestored XK150 in his shop.. back in the late 70's. I used to lust after it.

PeterSibley
01-08-2010, 12:26 AM
When I was a young fella another young bloke I knew restored a XK150 coupe ,he was a marine engineer, 4 th year apprentice , not your average rev head .The only young bloke's garage I ever visited with stainless benchs and a parts washer .Tools laid out in order .

A perfect job !

He did a TF too, UK Motors bought it from him and put on display for 5 years ...it's own little glass box on a pillar for all the traffic to see .

leikec
01-08-2010, 01:03 AM
This car has owned me for a long time...even though my name is on the title (not this car specifically, but the same model and colour).

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/features/09q4/david_e._davis_jr._convincing_chevrolet_to_enter_a _team_of_corvairs_in_the_1961_shell_4000_trans-canada_car_rally-column/gallery/1962_chevrolet_corvair_900_series_monza_club_coupe _photo_18/2937975-1-eng-US/1962_chevrolet_corvair_900_series_coupe_1_cd_galle ry.jpg

Unloved by many but loved by me--except when I go back through my years of receipts. That's about the time when I think about buying a wooden sailboat so I can enjoy a low-cost hobby.

Jeff C

Stiletto
01-08-2010, 04:00 AM
That Rolls Jonkcheere Coupe makes me really understand why people desire to be rich. Turn up to the yacht club in that and not many patrons are going to be looking at the water!

PeterSibley
01-08-2010, 04:27 AM
Yeah ,but if the yard boys see it the bill will match the car ...very smart !

I'm a simple man ,I'll take the Talbot :):D:)

purri
01-08-2010, 05:31 AM
Meh,

Thredbo ("Nuggets Crossing" and what a mongrel wife basher he was!) to Newtown in 3 hrs 45 mins on the Darmah in 1979 with 2 fuel stops.

Otherwise Ardlethan to Corowa on the MK4 Squaffa averaged abt
135km/ hr in 1973.

PeterSibley
01-08-2010, 05:40 AM
Brisbane to Melbourne( then on to Hobart ) in 3 days ...very long days on a Suzuki 70cc step through ....averaging 50 kph .....perhaps .Did it for my BA in Applied Machocism .

OconeePirate
01-08-2010, 03:45 PM
As far as just gobbling up miles the best vehicle I've ever had for it was the GT6... would have been even better with OD but hey. I've still got a TR6 but its probably going to get sold as I haven't done anything with it since I got married 11 years ago.

I've got my '63 Comet set up to be quite a nice highway car, not a sports car by any means but with the 2.7 gears in the rear it will lope along all day long at around 70 or so without breaking a sweat. The four doors and towing capacity make it a bit more practical anyway.

The Bigfella
01-08-2010, 04:58 PM
Same "friend" as earlier, with his now wife on the back of same R90S did Renmark to Mildura in one hour neat, including a fuel stop. That's a 90mph average. Didn't drop below 112mph for 20 minutes at one stage, until said pillion passenger started pounding a fist onto the shoulder.

That was a 3,350 km trip, mostly two-up (said now-wife lived up country at the time and was on the back for about 2800km), done over one long weekend. Sydney - Quorn - Sydney.... for the World's End Rally.

PeterSibley
01-08-2010, 05:29 PM
Times have changed Ian ,the on coming radar seems to be a bit of a problem on the highways now ......not to mention traffic volume.

Keith Wilson
01-08-2010, 05:37 PM
http://www.retrolegends.nl/images/voorraad/7109e.jpg

Or better yet:

http://www.retrolegends.nl/images/voorraad/7217b.jpg

OconeePirate
01-08-2010, 07:59 PM
Same "friend" as earlier, with his now wife on the back of same R90S did Renmark to Mildura in one hour neat, including a fuel stop. That's a 90mph average. Didn't drop below 112mph for 20 minutes at one stage, until said pillion passenger started pounding a fist onto the shoulder.

That was a 3,350 km trip, mostly two-up (said now-wife lived up country at the time and was on the back for about 2800km), done over one long weekend. Sydney - Quorn - Sydney.... for the World's End Rally.


I used to drive like that. Lots of WOT fun on back roads. I've also had my license yanked by The Man twice strictly due to points from speeding tickets. Worst I've ever managed cash wise on a ticket was $976 for going 85 MPH in a 55 MPH zone on I-20 just outside Atlanta. I was probably going around 120 when I saw the cop, and he clocked me at a little over 100. He told me he wrote the ticket for 85 because any higher would have gotten my car impounded. My insurance rates are disgusting now, my wife hates me for it since hers skyrocketed when we got married.

ChaseKenyon
01-09-2010, 05:01 AM
As far as just gobbling up miles the best vehicle I've ever had for it was the GT6... would have been even better with OD but hey. I've still got a TR6 but its probably going to get sold as I haven't done anything with it since I got married 11 years ago.

I've got my '63 Comet set up to be quite a nice highway car, not a sports car by any means but with the 2.7 gears in the rear it will lope along all day long at around 70 or so without breaking a sweat. The four doors and towing capacity make it a bit more practical anyway.
Back when we were first married 34 years ago, I sent my wife to a local welder up at hs mountaintop farm to get the exhaust manifold (factory tube job) for my 65 MGB welded up. She came home all excited and two days later we owned a 67 GT6. She was working as a reporter for the local daily rag at the time. OH god she had never driven a standard before. First weekend just stalled it at every stop. Second weekend she went through one set of rear tire in just the one weekend. LOL
starting as Maine Coon Cat kitens our Zsa zsa 1 and Jacques Pierre grew up on trips and loved having their own space under the rear window. By the time we had to park it from a blown rear end She was a big MC ffemale at about 17# and He was 24# and growing at two years. (he endied up at 29 to 31# at full fighting weight as a four to five year old adult Maine Coon Cat.

my current M/C buddy, Maestro is 21# at 14 months and growing visibly every fortnight. (see below) according to the vet he won'lt be full size and weight till he is 3.5 to 4.25 years old.

For two years we drove it on every trip anywhere. We'd play hooky from work and drive all the back roads in the tri state berkshires and stop at the Real Alice's Restaurant.

I am 6'2" and was an ex .......military guy weighing in at 227# of underwater zero body fat.

only other person I have known who loved the GT6 as much was a guy here in NH who had same experience but was 6'4.5" little bit thinner build though.

Amazing room once you got completely inside . I made a tubing (Town was home manufacturing base of the original custom exhaust benders "Dial a Bend" so we could get anything bent ) log ram manifold for it with three carburators from a Healy 62 tri carb and put a race cam in it. Could not afford Webers. It still went like stink on an incomming hurricane wind.

It was like driving a street legal go cart with a 6 cylinder engine. You were laid back in a Lotus 11 position with the steering wheel between your knees which were laying against padded bolsters on each side. the four speed box was good but the Laycock overdrive and steering column control lever gave you usefull six gears on the road. at the track (Lime Rock only 1/2 hour away and our usual hang out) you could use the OD on the top 3 gears. Fun Fun Fun.

i don't know if I could get into one now but only weigh an extra 12 # so id fit if the back would let me in. would love to drive one again. I had the swing arm limiters and all the then current track suspension mods so little yellow "Penelope Pitstop" Wife's name for her really did go ........:D


Maestro:

he is on top of the upright freezer and that is a six inch above the brass globe on the light behind him. He is 7 # more than Jaques Pierre at the same age.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_qLyeq4V_F8Y/S0hYJha_EaI/AAAAAAAABMU/Q2sUZmXzJUo/s912/IMG_2037.JPG

rbgarr
01-09-2010, 02:37 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/awzz80.jpg

chasbartlett
01-10-2010, 02:43 PM
I've played with some nice cars...but the most fun was a TR-3A with a resleeved engine and blower with electronic ignition, not as much hp as today's machines, but then it weighed about half as much....wet when it rained, cold when it was cold and sweated when it was hot....but a fun car.