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ripley699
01-01-2010, 09:36 PM
I suspect he is in hiding since he made an ass of himself at the "summit " [What a joke].

Seems funny that we haven't seen one word in the news media since he lost all cred .
Also,if the "agreement" that "We HAVE REACHED" by Barry and his gang is so wonderful,why is it that he hasn't said a word about it ? Perhaps its because what he really managed to do was actually nothing and i will bet you money there won't be any 2010 climate change summit.There wasn't really one iin 2009 !

coelacanth2
01-02-2010, 12:01 AM
Probably hiding in that hypocritical monstrosity of a house he owns. The wheels seem to be coming off the global warming thing, One wonders how the cap'n'trade business is working out.

PeterSibley
01-02-2010, 12:56 AM
Probably hiding in that hypocritical monstrosity of a house he owns. The wheels seem to be coming off the global warming thing, One wonders how the cap'n'trade business is working out.

What a very strange thing to say ...you were there or is this just soothsaying ?

ripley699
01-02-2010, 01:05 AM
Why do you ask,Peter ?Do you fel otherwise or are you simply trying to learn something of which you know nothing about ?

RIP

skuthorp
01-02-2010, 01:08 AM
I normally wouldn't bother with Mr Ripley, but I do like his taste in dogs.

TimH
01-02-2010, 01:51 AM
Lets disprove global warming amongst ourselves. We will all feel better if we convince ourselves humans can do no wrong.

LeeG
01-02-2010, 01:54 AM
I wonder why I never put Riply on ignore.

PeterSibley
01-02-2010, 02:03 AM
Why do you ask,Peter ?Do you fel otherwise or are you simply trying to learn something of which you know nothing about ?

RIP

He's got a strange sense of humor :rolleyes:.

ripley699
01-02-2010, 02:05 AM
There are lots of good reasons to do so.
Perhaps the first reason is that I am a conservative and mny people who lean left find it easier to simply hide their heads in the sand rather than be exposed to ideas they find are contrary to what they believe in .
While i have,in the past been somewhat abrasive,I am trying very hard to be less so ...
For example,,,this post .I simply said that al Gore is a horses ass ..at least 1/2 the people on planet earth would agree with me,,prolly more like 75 % now that Global warming has been shown ,at least to my satisfaction to be nothing than an attempt at a hoax,,,an attempt to extort money out of the entire of the earths population in order to make a few select people rich...which is what the U.S. government does on a religious basis
Al Gore is a liar and is attempting to become a thief of worldly proportions.I won't tell you what I think
should happen to him .. am trying to be more understanding,,,but he sure makes it difficult!!!!!

LeeG
01-02-2010, 02:08 AM
I won't tell you what I think
should happen to him .. am trying to be more understanding,,,but he sure makes it difficult!!!!!

if you use heavy duty foil you can keep his mind control rays out of your head better.

ripley699
01-02-2010, 02:09 AM
Acute ,Peter,Acute sense of humor Ilike to think.
Course,I have been wrong before and i will,no doubt,again !

ripley699
01-02-2010, 02:12 AM
Lee,
You may have the answer there !!

I have been using the store brand name ..I guess I should have stayed with trusted old "ALCOA WRAP "

Giive me a couple weeks and i will let you know how it works out

PeterSibley
01-02-2010, 02:15 AM
They're inside already ...surrender hope .

ripley699
01-02-2010, 02:32 AM
That explains the scratching noise when i try to go to sleep !!

John Smith
01-02-2010, 10:12 AM
I suspect Al's just doing what he does, just not getting coverage.

Picking on Al seems to be a hobby with many.

That doesn't make him wrong.

The ice caps ARE melting.

Tom Montgomery
01-02-2010, 11:10 AM
If the climate change summit in Copenhagen is considered to have been a failure, then it failed not because the scientific consensus is wrong but because there is no political will to make the kind of sacrifices necessary.

Al Gore is just fine. Among other things he is a member of the Board od Directors of Apple.

Phillip Allen
01-02-2010, 11:24 AM
If the climate change summit in Copenhagen is considered to have been a failure, then it failed not because the scientific consensus is wrong but because there is no political will to make the kind of sacrifices necessary.

Al Gore is just fine. Among other things he is a member of the Board od Directors of Apple.

Oh really? So, how much does Apple pay him to not work?

ljb5
01-02-2010, 11:27 AM
...mny people who lean left find it easier to simply hide their heads in the sand rather than be exposed to ideas they find are contrary to what they believe in .

You haven't expressed any ideas.

Al Gore's new book came out less than two months ago, it's currently ranked #761 in Amazon sales.

He was on CBS two days ago.

He's doing a lot more than you are. :rolleyes:

isla
01-02-2010, 11:29 AM
an attempt to extort money out of the entire of the earths population in order to make a few select people rich

I thought that was a right-wing thing?

Tom Montgomery
01-02-2010, 11:31 AM
Oh really? So, how much does Apple pay him to not work?

Do you have evidence that he does no work as a member of the Board of Directors of Apple? Do you have a source for that accusation? Or was it merely another in a long string of cynical brain farts?

Phillip Allen
01-02-2010, 11:32 AM
I thought that was a right-wing thing?

don't kid yourself...

Hal Forsen
01-02-2010, 11:32 AM
now that Global warming has been shown ,at least to my satisfaction to be nothing than an attempt at a hoax

Fairly certain our Inuit brothers don't share your "satisfaction".

http://ecology.com/features/vanishing-artic-ice-cap/images/2007-artic-ice-cap.jpg


http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/arctic-ice-cap-2.jpg

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

http://www.arcticalert.com/inuit.php

http://ecoworldly.com/2009/08/27/russias-northeast-passage-open-to-commercial-shipping/

http://www.louisemurray.com/Geographical0806%20inuit.html

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/blog/content/tipping-point-arctic-meltdown-inuit-culture-threatened-global-warming-181-alaskan-villages-f

http://www.ciel.org/Publications/Climate/CaseStudy_Inuit_Sep07.pdf

http://reporter.mcgill.ca/2008/08/inuit-health-survey-kicks-off-second-year-with-high-hopes-less-ice/

Talk about having your head "in the sand" :rolleyes:

paul oman
01-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Like any good snake oil salesman, you make your scam money, then keep your head down and enjoy it quietly. Al is just this generation's BT Barnum. Human nature enjoys being made into fools. "A sucker born every minute!"

isla
01-02-2010, 12:38 PM
don't kid yourself...

Not me, I'm too old and wise :)

TimH
01-02-2010, 12:43 PM
out of sight out of mind and ignorance is bliss.

Thats how to desctibe this thread.

Rick-Mi
01-02-2010, 12:44 PM
"Where' s Al Gore these days ?"


Trying to figure out how to continue profiteering on peoples climate fears after the curtain has been pulled back and being bit by Toto on the ankle.

LeeG
01-02-2010, 01:30 PM
Fairly certain our Inuit brothers don't share your "satisfaction".

http://ecology.com/features/vanishing-artic-ice-cap/images/2007-artic-ice-cap.jpg


http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/arctic-ice-cap-2.jpg

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

http://www.arcticalert.com/inuit.php

http://ecoworldly.com/2009/08/27/russias-northeast-passage-open-to-commercial-shipping/

http://www.louisemurray.com/Geographical0806%20inuit.html

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/blog/content/tipping-point-arctic-meltdown-inuit-culture-threatened-global-warming-181-alaskan-villages-f

http://www.ciel.org/Publications/Climate/CaseStudy_Inuit_Sep07.pdf

http://reporter.mcgill.ca/2008/08/inuit-health-survey-kicks-off-second-year-with-high-hopes-less-ice/

Talk about having your head "in the sand" :rolleyes:

well of course you're talking about reality which is known to have developed a liberal bias in the last 20yrs as the conservatives went off the fundie edge making Intelligent Design and anti-science poltically correct.

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 01:37 PM
"Where' s Al Gore these days ?"


Trying to figure out how to continue profiteering on peoples climate fears after the curtain has been pulled back and being bit by Toto on the ankle.

He is busy making money selling ' carbon offsets'.
It was hysterical to watch him being lauded for taking public transportation to pick up his phoney " prize' while his private jet sat at the airport. :cool:
Hypocrite.

Maybe he is currently busy shoveling all the snow from the compound he lives in?
Record blizzards all across the country, but the debate is;
"settled on the" global warming crisis" ?
Too funny.

LeeG
01-02-2010, 01:40 PM
Record blizzards all across the country, but the debate is;
"settled on the" global warming crisis" ?
Too funny.

does this mean you don't know the difference between global average and seasonal variation in one part of the globe?

too funny

TimH
01-02-2010, 01:41 PM
If he lived in a camel dung hut would you find him more believable?

ljb5
01-02-2010, 01:42 PM
...It was hysterical to watch him being lauded for taking public transportation to pick up his phoney " prize' while his private jet sat at the airport. :cool:

Al Gore has a private jet?

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 01:50 PM
Al Gore is just another climate crisis huckster looking to make a buck.



What Happened to Global Warming?

By Debra Saunders (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/author/debra_saunders/)

"What happened to global warming?" read the headline -- on BBC News on Oct. 9, no less. Consider it a cataclysmic event: Mainstream news organizations have begun reporting on scientific research that suggests that global warming may not be caused by man and may not be as dire and eminent as alarmists suggest.
Indeed, as the BBC's climate correspondent Paul Hudson reported, the warmest year recorded globally "was not in 2008 or 2007, but 1998." It's true, he continued, "For the last 11 years, we have not observed any increase in global temperatures."
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At a London conference later this month, Hudson reported, solar scientist Piers Corbyn will present evidence that solar-charged particles have a big impact on global temperatures.
Western Washington University geologist Don J. Easterbrook presented research last year that suggests that the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO) caused warmer temperatures in the 1980s and 1990s. With Pacific sea surface temperatures cooling, Easterbrook expects 30 years of global cooling.
EPA analyst Alan Carlin -- an MIT-trained economist with a degree in physics -- referred to "solar variability" and Easterbrook's work in a document that warned that politics had prompted the EPA and other countries to pay "too little attention to the science of global warming" as partisans ignored the lack of global warming over the last 10 years. At first, the EPA buried the paper, then it permitted Carlin to post it on his personal Web site.
In May, Fortune reported on the testimony of University of Alabama-Huntsville Earth System Science Center Director John Christy's before the House Ways and Means Committee. Christy is a 2001 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report signatory who believes human effects have a warming influence, but rejects the disaster scenarios.
As Christy told the committee, climate models rely on land temperature data that are distorted and exaggerated by surface development -- that is, asphalt and buildings. In a nice bit of research, Christy, who is also the Alabama state climatologist, debunked the temperature-increase predictions made by NASA scientist James Hansen in 1988. "The real atmosphere," Christy testified, "has many ways to respond to the changes that the extra CO2 is forcing upon it."
Add Christy, Easterbrook and Corbyn to the long list of scientists who see climate as a complex issue rather than an opportunity to sermonize and lecture the general public.
Over the years, global warming alarmists have sought to stifle debate by arguing that there was no debate. They bullied dissenters and ex-communicated non-believers from their panels. In the name of science, disciples made it a virtue to not recognize the existence of scientists such as MIT's Richard Lindzen and Colorado State University's William Gray.
For a long time, that approach worked. But after 11 years without record temperatures that had the seas spilling over the Statue of Liberty's toes, they are going to have to change tactics.
They're going to have to rely on real data, not failed models, scare stories and the Big Lie that everyone who counts agrees with them.

McMike
01-02-2010, 01:52 PM
Lets disprove global warming amongst ourselves. We will all feel better if we convince ourselves humans can do no wrong.

"We can imagine the straightest of lines but our finger can’t control the pen and it’s this frustration that yields relief as we say we’re just mortal men." - John Popper

JimD
01-02-2010, 01:54 PM
Al Gore is just another climate crisis huckster looking to make a buck.

He may be wrong. But he's not that. The fact that you choose to characterize him this way says a lot more about you than it does about Gore.

LeeG
01-02-2010, 02:02 PM
does this mean you don't know the difference between global average and seasonal variation in one part of the globe?

too funny

bump

ljb5
01-02-2010, 02:07 PM
Al Gore has a private jet?

Rick-Mi
01-02-2010, 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Robmill0605 View Post
Al Gore is just another climate crisis huckster looking to make a buck.



He may be wrong. But he's not that. The fact that you choose to characterize him this way says a lot more about you than it does about Gore.


Jim, are you unaware of Al Gore's financial connections to David Blood, Goldman Sachs and the profit motive of corporations and institutions with a vested interest in the carbon credit scheme?

Rick-Mi
01-02-2010, 02:56 PM
Al Gore has a private jet?

Is there a different environmental impact if a jet is owned or chartered?

ljb5
01-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Is there a different environmental impact if a jet is owned or chartered?

Take it up with Robmill, he's seemed to think it was important to call it a private jet.

But which jet are we talking about?

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 03:05 PM
He may be wrong. But he's not that. The fact that you choose to characterize him this way says a lot more about you than it does about Gore.

Really?



Al Gore's Inconvenient Loot

Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton years.
As Bill Hobbs first pointed out (http://billhobbs.com/2007/02/more_on_gore.html), Gore supposedly pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management (http://www.generationim.com/) (GIM) - and if you're looking to go green, and have your wallet go along with Gore, think again - average people are too insignificant to play - verifiable from this pdf (http://www.generationim.com/media/pdf-generation-final-launch-release-08-11-04.pdf).

Generation is based in London, with its U.S. offices in Washington, DC. The firm will manage the assets of institutional investors such as pension funds, foundations and endowments, as well as those of select high net worth individuals.* Generation expects to make extensive use of long-term performance based fees. Generation will begin its investment management business in early 2005.
* like Al Gore
Gore's company, GIM was specifically established to take financial advantage of new technologies and solutions related to combating Global Warming.

( you were saying JimD ?)


The Global Warming crowd has told us that just recently new science emerged confirming the alleged fact that Global Warming is man made. So, ask yourself, why is it that Gore set up his Green money machine three years ago back in 2004? Is it possible Gore knew what the science would say before it was out? And even if not, can an individual who stands to make millions from Global Warming really be trusted as an honest broker on that topic? Talk about giving the fox the keys to the hen penthouse.
Even if Global Warming did exist, in principle, what's the difference between war profiteering and this? One could justifiably argue that Gore is taking advantage of, in his opinion, a catastrophic situation to clean up - and I don't mean the environment.

Here's a list (http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1375534/000117266107000053/0001172661-07-000053.txt) indicating what it takes to make money along with Al. Funds associated with these companies have placed millions of dollars under Al Gore's control. And, as you'll see below, Gore's selection for the US President of GIM might raise a few eyebrows as well.

AFLAC INC - AQUANTIVE INC - AUTODESK INC - BECTON DICKINSON & CO BLACKBAUD INC - GENERAL ELECTRIC CO - GREENHILL & CO INC - JOHNSON CTLS INC - LABORATORY CORP AMER HLDGS - METABOLIX INC - NORTHERN TR CORP - NUVEEN INVTS INC -STAPLES INC - SYSCO CORP - TECHNE CORP - UBS AG - VCA ANTECH INC - WATERS CORP - WHOLE FOODS MKT INC
According to their own documents, GIM intends to invest in, or buy companies poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns.

If we borrow John Edward's so-called two Americas concept for a second, this all means higher prices and taxes with more regulation and an altered standard of living for people like you and me, while Al Gore sits ensconced in his other America reaping profits from each new government mandate for us, business and even government itself. It's win win, alright, but mostly for Al.
To add insult to injury, Gore chose Peter S. Knight, an old friend and colleague some are sure to recall, as the US President of GIM.

Peter S. Knight, formerly Managing Director Met West Financial, lawyer, Chief of Staff for Senator Al Gore (D-TN) from 1977-1989, and Campaign Manager for President Clinton's successful re-election in 1996, is President of Generation U.S.
This would be him: Reno Rejects Inquiry Into a Clinton Aide (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50A15F83A550C768DDDA80894D1494D 81&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fC%2f Clinton%2c%20Bill)

Atty Gen Janet Reno decides against any further investigation of Peter Knight, Pres Clinton's 1996 campaign manager in connection with office building development in nation's capital; such an investigation could have led to naming independent counsel to look further into activities of Knight, who is also former top assistant to Vice Pres Al Gore.
Yes, thanks to Janet Reno, no one ever found out how $20,000 in stock turned up in an account for Knight's then 13 year old child (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0F17FB38540C778CDDA80994DF494D 81&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fC%2f Clinton%2c%20Bill).

Dispute over Democratic Party campaign-financing shifts to Zachary Knight, 13-year-old son of Peter S Knight, Clinton-Gore campaign chairman in 1996, who was given $20,000 in stock by William Haney 3d, chairman of Molten Metal Technology Inc; Republicans believe gift, which came after father was named chairman of campaign, was really payment to Knight, who had worked as $7,000-per-month lobbyist for company; Knight denies involvement in any impropriety; photo
If Gore's motivation in pushing Global Warming is so altruistic, was it really necessarily for the already wealthy Gore to establish a multi-million dollar corporation in England to cash in? And given the history of Gore and Knight, are these people we should trust to drive a re-vamping of the world economy at the same time they're lining their pockets because of our much smaller carbon footprints?
If Al Gore is successful with this latest scheme, Gore and his cronies are going to be much more $green$ than most of the earth. And the only green in this for you and me is the kind that accompanies envy as Gore trucks around on private jets putting dollars to offset his extravagance into a cash machine generating profits on the backs of the middle class with misrepresented (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:592ek86lYsQJ:sciencepolicy.colorado .edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000993al_gore_at_his_best.html+%22Generation+Inves tment+Management+%22&hl=en&strip=1)science (http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:592ek86lYsQJ:sciencepolicy.colorado .edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000993al_gore_at_his_best.html+%22Generation+Inves tment+Management+%22&hl=en&strip=1) that doesn't deserve to be called science at all.

Mr. Gore starts out, ironically enough, asserting the importance of peer-reviewed science. I call this ironic because the misrepresentation that follows (a) hasn’t been peer reviewed, and (b) the peer-reviewed literature contradicts the misrepresentation.
From the Center For Public Integrity (http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=582): one of the issues involving both Knight and carbon friendly Al was the installation of a hot tub and steam shower in the Master Bedroom of the VP's house. How Green is that?

Here's what the Center found about some of the most generous contributors to the foundation: Peter S. Knight...
Peter S. Knight, Gore's former chief of staff, managed Gore's first bid for the presidency in 1988. In 1989, he began lobbying for the firm Wunder, Diefendorfer, Cannon and Thelan. Given his closeness to Gore and the rest of the Clinton administration, corporations now pay Knight upward of $10,000 a month to wield his influence with Gore. With the help of his new clients, Knight soon cemented a new role for himself as Gore's "chief of fund raising."
Since 1996, Knight's various lobbying and fund-raising activity has been the subject of a Federal Election Commission investigation, a Justice Department inquiry and two House Commerce Committee probes.
Gore chose Knight to act as chairman of the foundation during Gore's first vice presidential term. Three of Knight's clients - millionaire publishing magnate Vance Opperman, Bell Atlantic and Fluor Corporation — showered the foundation with $10,000 each.
Knight also solicited $10,000 contributions from foundations run by Atlantic Richfield Company (ARCO), Coca-Cola Company, MCI Communications (now MCI WorldCom, Inc.), Time Warner Inc. and Microsoft Corporation (Chairman Bill Gates also contributed a $30,000 glass sculpture). Under Gore's supervision, the foundation pledged to take corporate money only through their foundations, not from corporations directly. The $10,000 paid by the Coca-Cola Company, however, came out of the corporate account.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/03/al_gores_inconv.html

ljb5
01-02-2010, 03:05 PM
Jim, are you unaware of Al Gore's financial connections to David Blood, Goldman Sachs and the profit motive of corporations and institutions with a vested interest in the carbon credit scheme?

Since when is it wrong to derive profit from finding the solution to a problem?

You might be reluctant to acknowledge the problem exists, but the fact that Gore may derive profit from it does not negate the existence of the problem.

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 03:17 PM
He may be wrong. But he's not that. The fact that you choose to characterize him this way says a lot more about you than it does about Gore.


What it says is that you don't know what you are talking about.

read on about Gore profiteering ....




Al Gore is chairman and founder of a private equity firm called Generation Investment Management (GIM). According to Gore, the London-based firm invests money from institutions and wealthy investors in companies that are going green. "Generation Investment Management, purchases -- but isn't a provider of -- carbon dioxide offsets," said spokesman Richard Campbell in a March 7 report by CNSNews.

GIM appears to have considerable influence over the major carbon-credit trading firms that currently exist: the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) in the U.S. and the Carbon Neutral Company (CNC) in Great Britain. CCX is the only firm in the U.S. that claims to trade carbon credits.

[...]
Clearly, GIM is poised to cash in on carbon trading. The membership of CCX is currently voluntary. But if the day ever comes when federal government regulations require greenhouse-gas emitters -- and that's almost everyone -- to participate in cap-and-trade, then those who have created a market for the exchange of carbon credits are in a position to control the outcomes. And that moves Al Gore front and center. As a politician, Gore is all for transparency. But as GIM chairman, Gore has not been forthcoming, according to Forbes magazine. Little is known about his firm's finances, where it gets funding and what projects it supports.
After addressing how intimately tied to the investment firm Goldman Sachs Gore and his GIM associates are, Barnes presented further nefarious connections that make Ken Lay's Enron network in the '90s look almost amateurish:

We do know that Goldman Sachs has commissioned the World Resources Institute (affiliated with CCX), Resources for the Future, and the Woods Hole Research Center to research policy options for U.S. regulation of greenhouse gases. In 2006, Goldman Sachs provided research grants in this area totaling $2.3 million. The firm also has committed $1 billion to carbon-assets projects, a fancy term for projects that generate energy from sources other than oil and gas. In October 2006, Morgan Stanley committed to invest $3 billion in carbon-assets projects. Citigroup entered the emissions-trading market in May, and Bank of America got in on the action in June.

Some environmentalist groups disparage Gore and his investment banker friends. They say the Gore group caters to others who share their financial interest in the carbon-exchange concept. The bulletin of the World Rainforest Movement says that members of a United Nations-sponsored group called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) stand to gain by approving Gore's carbon-trading enterprise. The IPCC has devised what it says is a scientific measure of the impact of greenhouse gases on global warming. In fact, the critics charge, the IPCC sanctions a mechanism that mainly promotes the sham concept of carbon exchange.

The global non-profit organization Winrock International is an example of one IPCC panel member that seeks out groups and individuals with an interest in carbon trading. Arkansas-based Winrock provides worldwide "carbon-advisory services." Winrock has received government grants from the EPA, USAID and the Departments of Labor, State and Commerce, as well as from the Nature Conservancy (whose chairman used to be Henry Paulson). Winrock argues that cap-and-trade carbon trading is the best way to prevent a climate change crisis. But consider this: When a non-profit group takes money from oil companies and advocates drilling for oil as a solution to energy shortages, it is certain to be attacked as a tool of Big Oil. So far, the groups linked to Al Gore have avoided similar scrutiny.
Why is that? Why does everything Gore is involved in avoid government and media scrutiny?
While you ponder, there's more:

In June 2006, the World Bank announced that it, too, had joined CCX, saying that it intended to offset its greenhouse gas emissions by purchasing emission credits through CCX. The bank says its credits would contribute to restoring 4,600 hectares of degraded pastureland in Costa Rica. Somehow, CCX has figured out that this is an amount equivalent to 22,000 metric tons of emission that the bank calculates are created by its activities.

A World Bank blog called the Private Sector Development Blog regularly features items touting Al Gore and the concept of carbon credits. Its articles typically announce corporate "green" initiatives in which carbon credits are said to cancel out "bad" CO2 emissions released by a company's activities.

In fact, the World Bank now operates a Carbon Finance Unit that conducts research on how to develop and trade carbon credits. The bank works with Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark and Spain to set up carbon-credit funds in each country to purchase emission credits from firms for use in developing countries. In addition, it runs the Carbon Fund for Europe helping countries meet their Kyoto Protocol requirements. These funds are traded on the ECX (half of which is owned by CCX, itself a creature of Al Gore's firm, Generation Investment Management). Can we connect the dots?

[...]
So it seems banks and investment houses are going green, eager to enter an emerging emissions market. Meanwhile, environmentalists are discovering new ways to get rich while believing they are saving polar bears and rainforests.
Add it all up, Al Gore really is perpetrating a scheme that could end up being much more costly to Americans than anything Ken Lay did. As if that's not bad enough, our media are totally complicit rather than doing their jobs exposing the scam.
I don't know about you, but suddenly I need another shower.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/03/al-gore-getting-rich-spreading-global-warming-hysteria-media-s-help

ljb5
01-02-2010, 03:19 PM
Robmill hates Capitalism.

Al Gore puts his money where his mouth is.

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 03:22 PM
Ah, the ignore list at work.
I could care less what this arrogant jerk ( Ljb5) thinks .

ljb5
01-02-2010, 03:25 PM
Ah, the ignore list at work.
I could care less what this arrogant jerk ( Ljb5) thinks .


mny people...find it easier to simply hide their heads in the sand rather than be exposed to ideas they find are contrary to what they believe in .

The ignore list makes you ignorant. Hide your head in the sand. We can all see what you can't. That doesn't work in your favor.

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 03:32 PM
I'm just wondering if ljb5 has contributed anything to this forum? ( besides snide vitriol)
I do not recall him contributing any threads about woodenboats, boatbuilding, designing, or anything else from him except how smart he thinks he is.

I'd suggest The Huffington Post sparky, since you have nothing that I can see to contribute about boats.

Rick-Mi
01-02-2010, 03:35 PM
Since when is it wrong to derive profit from finding the solution to a problem?

You might be reluctant to acknowledge the problem exists, but the fact that Gore may derive profit from it does not negate the existence of the problem.


That is correct, I do have a great deal of skepticism whether or not a man made climate problem exists. Manipulation of man and science to make billions out of fear is where I have a problem, not profit motive itself. People like yourself have been extremely quick on the trigger to point out oil company influence on environmental science. I'm surprised you haven't connected the dots when it comes to Al Gore and the Wall Street special interests pushing their agenda. Perhaps this is a case of intentional oversight...... :D

ljb5
01-02-2010, 03:40 PM
People like yourself have been extremely quick on the trigger to point out oil company influence on environmental science. I'm surprised you haven't connected the dots when it comes to Al Gore and the Wall Street special interests pushing their agenda.

The difference is that I don't consider Al Gore to be the source of the scientific information. He's an entrepreneur and activist, but not a scientist.

If you want to know if global warming is real, look to the scientists. If you refute Al Gore, you are not refuting the science.

Even if you prove Al Gore's investments are a scam, it does not refute the science.

You remind me of those people who attack Charles Darwin's personal life in an attempt to attack the theory of evolution.

JimD
01-02-2010, 03:43 PM
Robmill hates Capitalism...

Whereas I find it encouraging to see green business ventures prospering. It shows that the conservative mantra that going green is not economically viable is just more right wing hogwash scare tactic.

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 03:49 PM
Just as I thought.
I just checked every thread started by Ljb5.
All seven pages of bilge threads, with one exception asking about tools.
You have contributed nothing about woodenboats.
Nothing about boat building.
Nothing about boat design.
Nothing about craftsmanship or skills.

Not one thread, IN OVER 13,000 POSTS.

YOU ARE A TROLL.

ljb5
01-02-2010, 04:02 PM
All seven pages of bilge threads...

So I posted my sailing pictures in the bilge, not top sides. So what?

This thread is about Al Gore. If you can't address the subject, don't lash out at me.

JimD
01-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Just as I thought.
I just checked every thread started by Ljb5.
All seven pages of bilge threads, with one exception asking about tools.
You have contributed nothing about woodenboats.
Nothing about boat building.
Nothing about boat design.
Nothing about craftsmanship or skills.

Not one thread, IN OVER 13,000 POSTS.

YOU ARE A TROLL.

Just curious, would he be a troll if he agreed with your politcal positions? Or is the fact that a forum member is not interested in boats automatically make them a troll?

ljb5
01-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Case dismissed. (http://woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93590)

Robmill0605
01-02-2010, 04:24 PM
Just curious, would he be a troll if he agreed with your politcal positions? Or is the fact that a forum member is not interested in boats automatically make them a troll?
Yes, he would still be a troll even if I agreed with him.
It's not that I just disagree with him politically. It's his attitude. He is rude , and I see no contribution to this forum other than the Bilge.
None.
If you are not interested in boats, then why the hell are you here?

TimH
01-02-2010, 04:30 PM
ljb5 seems smarter than a lot of folks.

JimD
01-02-2010, 04:50 PM
Yes, he would still be a troll even if I agreed with him.
It's not that I just disagree with him politically. It's his attitude. He is rude , and I see no contribution to this forum other than the Bilge.
None.
If you are not interested in boats, then why the hell are you here?

Oddly enough, I find your attitude to be as bad as they come. You seem to have contempt for almost everybody you disagree with. I often find your Bilge posts to be so full of disrespect that I can't bring myself to talk about boats with you upstairs although there are other members I have profound disagreements with on certain subjects yet I can still enjoy talking about boats with them. Trolls incite and I find that you incite more than most. As to why people with no interest in boats have seen to carve a niche for themselves here I have a hard time with that, too. I guess they have no where else to go. We must be such a stimulating bunch.

Rick-Mi
01-02-2010, 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Rick-Mi
Is there a different environmental impact if a jet is owned or chartered?




Take it up with Robmill, he's seemed to think it was important to call it a private jet.

But which jet are we talking about?

You obviously missed the salient point of the issue. Does it matter environmentally whether Al Gore has his name on the title or instead charters a jet for his own personal use?

Rick-Mi
01-02-2010, 06:06 PM
You obviously missed the salient point of the issue.



Nope, you have been here long enough to know that you are dealing with a one trick pony. Tens of thousands of divert, deflect, and insults all rolled up in a neat package when hitting the send reply and has always been the order of the day, evening weekends and holidays. Intelligent people continue to fall for this boring act. Al is laughing all the way to the bank. After all don't you guys believe in capitalism? HEHE! [Now he doesn't have to ask you that one]:D:D
Quit feeding this pony guys.

Good point erster, but sometimes I can't resist pointing out when someone misses a key point so badly in favor of some silly juvenile word game.

It's also entertaining seeing how quickly Marxists turn capitalistic when it is pointed out one of their heroes in the faith is deeply connected with the Wall Street banksters greenies so love to hate. :D

Memphis Mike
01-02-2010, 06:24 PM
Hey Fonville! You still don't make any cents and you still haven't taken that English class.:rolleyes: You have to larn to speeel at least!

ljb5
01-02-2010, 07:10 PM
You obviously missed the salient point of the issue. Does it matter environmentally whether Al Gore has his name on the title or instead charters a jet for his own personal use?

If it doesn't make a difference, why lie about it?

I'm still not sure which plane we're talking about.


Rob said:


t was hysterical to watch him being lauded for taking public transportation to pick up his phoney " prize' while his private jet sat at the airport.


He took public transportation and doesn't own a private jet.

I'm just trying to figure out what exactly Rob was complaining about. A guy who doesn't own a private jet took a public flight while a private jet that he doesn't own sat at the airport.

Please explain.

delecta
01-02-2010, 07:31 PM
Fairly certain our Inuit brothers don't share your "satisfaction".

http://ecology.com/features/vanishing-artic-ice-cap/images/2007-artic-ice-cap.jpg


http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/arctic-ice-cap-2.jpg

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

http://www.arcticalert.com/inuit.php

http://ecoworldly.com/2009/08/27/russias-northeast-passage-open-to-commercial-shipping/

http://www.louisemurray.com/Geographical0806%20inuit.html

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/blog/content/tipping-point-arctic-meltdown-inuit-culture-threatened-global-warming-181-alaskan-villages-f

http://www.ciel.org/Publications/Climate/CaseStudy_Inuit_Sep07.pdf

http://reporter.mcgill.ca/2008/08/inuit-health-survey-kicks-off-second-year-with-high-hopes-less-ice/

Talk about having your head "in the sand" :rolleyes:

You're really good at posting pictures, would you mind posting the same pictures of Antarctica in the same time frame.

Just to put things into perspective.

Thanks guy :)

Hal Forsen
01-02-2010, 08:56 PM
Feel free to do so...........

Bob Adams
01-02-2010, 09:49 PM
Just as I thought.
I just checked every thread started by Ljb5.
All seven pages of bilge threads, with one exception asking about tools.
You have contributed nothing about woodenboats.
Nothing about boat building.
Nothing about boat design.
Nothing about craftsmanship or skills.

Not one thread, IN OVER 13,000 POSTS.

YOU ARE A TROLL.
Well duh:rolleyes:

Phillip Allen
01-02-2010, 09:56 PM
hey, take it easy on the feller...I haven't contributed much to the boat part either

Mrleft8
01-02-2010, 10:05 PM
I suspect he is in hiding since he made an ass of himself at the "summit " [What a joke].

Seems funny that we haven't seen one word in the news media since he lost all cred .
Also,if the "agreement" that "We HAVE REACHED" by Barry and his gang is so wonderful,why is it that he hasn't said a word about it ? Perhaps its because what he really managed to do was actually nothing and i will bet you money there won't be any 2010 climate change summit.There wasn't really one iin 2009 !

Perhaps he's actually doing something.....Or trying to do something despite the acidic opposition from the corporate megalotrons that run global politics....... Just because you aren't on camera bloviating or opining doesn't mean you aren't doing something...... Quite the opposite I imagine, actually.....

stevebaby
01-03-2010, 12:07 AM
Just as I thought.
I just checked every thread started by Ljb5.
All seven pages of bilge threads, with one exception asking about tools.
You have contributed nothing about woodenboats.
Nothing about boat building.
Nothing about boat design.
Nothing about craftsmanship or skills.

Not one thread, IN OVER 13,000 POSTS.

YOU ARE A TROLL....and you are a stalker.

ShagRock
01-03-2010, 05:13 AM
Well, Brother Al needs healing too...only half way home!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm2_7o8DGtI&feature=related

ripley699
01-03-2010, 06:10 AM
Shag,
I can see bein' proud of "the Band " bein' Canadian and all,,but do you own stock in them?
The answer to every question is not " The band "

RIP

ShagRock
01-03-2010, 06:18 AM
Levon is not the Band.. he's the American heart..something some of you guys down south are so easy to lose touch with..IMO.

ripley699
01-03-2010, 06:25 AM
I stand corrected.Levon is not the band...He was a huge part of the band ..The last waltz was my favorite of all time ...The Night they drove ol dixie down from the last waltz is one of the top ten songs of the 20th century.
Still ,,,the answer to the question is not "levon Helm"

ShagRock
01-03-2010, 06:38 AM
The man just might be the mountain..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpkGeUn69S0&feature=related

ripley699
01-03-2010, 06:52 AM
Well ,hello there old friend shag ! How ya' been? Ain't seen you in a while.....Tell me,,,ya' seen al gore around lately ?

Shag: "levon Helm old friend,,,levon helm... thats the answer to whatever ails ya'

Gerald
01-03-2010, 06:57 AM
There seem to be many folks here up on the subject of global warming. I don´t know what to think about it? However, after looking at the pictures of the pole I have one question. Where the hell did Al Gore hide all that ice? Are we saying that the pictures are fake?

Phillip Allen
01-03-2010, 10:33 AM
Coupla things:

1) I'm pretty sure that Levon Helm is from Marvell, Arkansas.

2) I'm pretty sure that Levon Helm is a powerful, articulate philosopher, and good for what ails ya. ;)


You may now proceed.

maybe he was born there but I used to rent to him in Springdale...

Hal Forsen
01-03-2010, 10:44 AM
BRITISH ANTARCTIC SURVEY
Number: 09/2009
The most comprehensive picture of the rapidly thinning glaciers along the coastline of both the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets has been created using satellite lasers. The findings are an important step forward in the quest to make more accurate predictions for future sea level rise.
Eureka Glacier on the Antarctic Peninsula.
Reporting this week in the journal Nature researchers from British Antarctic Survey and the University of Bristol describe how analysis of millions of NASA satellite measurements* from both of these vast ice sheets shows that the most profound ice loss is a result of glaciers speeding up where they flow into the sea.
The authors conclude that this ‘dynamic thinning’ of glaciers now reaches all latitudes in Greenland, has intensified on key Antarctic coastlines, is penetrating far into the ice sheets’ interior and is spreading as ice shelves thin by ocean-driven melt. Ice shelf collapse has triggered particularly strong thinning that has endured for decades.
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/images/press/989/pritchard_etal_antarc_plus__thumb.jpg (http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/images/press/989/pritchard_etal_antarc_plus_.jpg) New comprehensive maps of Greenland and Antarctica show extent of glacier thinning -
Lead author Dr Hamish Pritchard from British Antarctic Survey (BAS) says,

“We were surprised to see such a strong pattern of thinning glaciers across such large areas of coastline — it’s widespread and in some cases thinning extends hundreds of kilometres inland. We think that warm ocean currents reaching the coast and melting the glacier front is the most likely cause of faster glacier flow. This kind of ice loss is so poorly understood that it remains the most unpredictable part of future sea level rise.”
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/images/press/989/pritchard_etal_west_antarct_thumb.jpg (http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/images/press/989/pritchard_etal_west_antarct.jpg)
Glacier thinning is extensive in West Antarctica -

The scientists compared the rates of change in elevation of both fast-flowing and slow-flowing ice. In Greenland for example they studied 111 fast-moving glaciers and found 81 thinning at rates twice that of slow-flowing ice at the same altitude. They found that ice loss from many glaciers in both Antarctica and Greenland is greater than the rate of snowfall further inland.
In Antarctica some of the fastest thinning glaciers are in West Antarctica (Amundsen Sea Embayment) where Pine Island Glacier and neighbouring Smith and Thwaites Glacier are thinning by up to 9 metres per year.

Al Gore's not the only one full of hot air............
:rolleyes:

ShagRock
01-03-2010, 10:44 AM
So Philip, you collected the rent, but did you gather the wisdom?

Phillip Allen
01-03-2010, 10:53 AM
I liked him...he was a nice feller

ShagRock
01-03-2010, 10:58 AM
Cheap is cheap...

Phillip Allen
01-03-2010, 11:14 AM
ya lost me...

ljb5
01-03-2010, 11:36 AM
Hal, I'm confused why you posted that study about ice in the Antarctic.

It says a dozen times that Antarctic ice is thinning.... yet it seems like you're trying to say the opposite.

Can you explain yourself?

ShagRock
01-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Ice does come in different colors..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSZvHqf9qM

oznabrag
01-03-2010, 11:50 AM
Hal, I'm confused why you posted that study about ice in the Antarctic.

It says a dozen times that Antarctic ice is thinning.... yet it seems like you're trying to say the opposite.

Can you explain yourself?

I think he's trying to say that those who don't believe the ice is thinning are full of hot air.

ljb5
01-03-2010, 11:53 AM
I think he's trying to say that those who don't believe the ice is thinning are full of hot air.

That makes mores sense. And he did an excellent job of making that point.

For some reason, I thought he was trying to argue the other way.