new bolger books?

[seafox]

has anyone heard any more about possable publication of the three unpublished fiction books in the Bolger archives? that mrs attenberger mentions would be published sometime?
thankyou
jeff
or ps might their be compilations of his writings for magizines? does messing about in boats have their back issies on cd? has woodenboat reirrues its cd reprint?
thankyou

[Steve Lansdowne]

MAIB doesn't have a CD. Call Bob Hicks to see if he has any unsold back issues to sell. WB sells a memory stick of all back issues. See the WB Store.

[seedy]

MAIB was going to do a thing where if you subscribed to the pdf version you had access to previous versions in pdf, but no idea how that worked out.

[Hwyl]

Jeffrey, Susanne Altenburger posts on here, she's very opinionated but you could ask her directly.

[john welsford]

I for one would love to have more of Phil Bolgers writings available, I have the impression from Phil before he left us, as well as from Susanne that there is a body of work awaiting editing and compilation and would encourage S to carry on with that so we can all benefit, remarks like that below are unhelpful at best.

John Welsford


Jeffrey, Susanne Altenburger posts on here, she's very opinionated but you could ask her directly.

[seafox]

thankyou. I do hope that someday will get to read more that Mr Bolger Has written. Best wishes to Mrs Altenberger hope that she is doing ok and I think a great many people here are opinionated which makes for good discussions
jeff

[tomlarkin]

Originally Posted by Hwyl
Jeffrey, Susanne Altenburger posts on here, she's very opinionated but you could ask her directly.


On the other hand, I got to the point where I couldn't stand reading any threads she posted on. She had some really interesting ideas, but went a little berserk when criticized. This (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2403183&postcount=181)is where I stopped reading anything from her.

[Susanne@PB&F]

Re 'Scared' by opinion, flustered by Wooden Working Craft

Over the 18+ years Phil was never threatened by substance, reason, passion and creativity. Instead he thrived by asking for more. Pooling our resources was his idea and continuous preocupation to maximize opportunities and address challenges.

Continuing our joint effort in pushing wooden working craft - even to the US Navy (!) - by raising the topic on this the preeminent website on the subject of wooden boats in general and all its variety is a most appropriate and coherent decision. Phil explicitly sought out this spirit of generating progress and ignoring 'boundaries' both conceptually and politically. At 81+ he still pushed the matter himself.

When folks a fraction of his age and accomplishment venture their 'considered opinions' that
- "aluminum is better...";
- "positive buoyancy is a silly unattractive since unattainable myth";
- "protection against ice-encounters is impossible";
- "nobody serious about water-borne commerce would consider wood";
- "and that the WoodenBoat Forum is the wrong place for any such discussions"
you begin to wonder about
- their 'sense and sensibilities',
- the actual origins of persistently aggressive silly reflexes,
- that limited cadre's urgent need to be pointlessly destructive on this topic,
- the exhibitionism of self-degrading in public,
- and their 'culture' that rewards endless incivilities with frat-row- coarse hootin' and cackling as they delude themselves into admiring each other's wit and ever-so-creative 'killer'-one-liners.
How many folks would never enter this arena in light of this atmosphere ?

What thus is called for is progressively-robust resistance to the 'dumbing-down' of any serious discourse on this subject in this Forum by that however well-established/entrenched 'square-pants'-set that seeks to alienate more than offer balanced contribution.

In coordination with 'management', the subject will be re-opened in the new year. Oh, dear...

[Susanne@PB&F]

More books by Bolger and Bolger&Friends:

There are several manuscripts on his and our designs that are to be put into book-format. And the catalogue on the archive will remain the most challenging project in light of the size of the archive. That will be my preoccupation before serious design-work can commence again.

Thanks for your interest.

Happy New Year.

[Paul Pless]

More books by Bolger and Bolger&Friends:

There are several manuscripts on his and our designs that are to be put into book-format. And the catalogue on the archive will remain the most challenging project in light of the size of the archive. That will be my preoccupation before serious design-work can commence again.

Thanks for your interest.

Happy New Year.This is excellent news to many of us Susanne, thank you. Good luck with the endeavor, and I wish you a Happy New Year as well.

[john welsford]

You'll find, and I'm sure that you know this, that all postings are clearly identified as to the poster. If you dont like someone, just dont go there.
I've not found Susanne to be difficult to maintain a discourse with, but then I dont go deliberately poking her with sharp sticks.
She has a lot to contribute, and although some see her solely as the custodian of a particularly prominent designers work she has a great deal of experience herself and I'd like to hear more of that, I dont have to agree with everything she says to learn a great deal.

John Welsford




On the other hand, I got to the point where I couldn't stand reading any threads she posted on. She had some really interesting ideas, but went a little berserk when criticized. This (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2403183&postcount=181)is where I stopped reading anything from her.

[Susanne@PB&F]

I do appreciate the kind words.

I'll absorb several 'incoming' - just in case I misunderstand - before I assume a more 'active' posture in defense of the argument or even Thread.

Phil and I had a lot of disagreements on matters politics for instance early one, but came to notice more shared assumptions than dividing perspectives. Diversity is important, unavoidable, healthy - as is civility.

In that spirit Happy New Year. Personally I hope it to be productive, dwelling on the good times with Phil and pushing his legacy out further into this world.
Good Luck to all of us.

[Bill Lowe]

Happy New Year Susanne

[Nicholas Scheuer]

My first wife, Rosemary, a talented writer, herself, with a degree in Classical Languages, greatly enjoyed sShorpioen, as did I, and autographed copy of which we obtained through Peter & Margaret Duff.

I would certainly be eager to read another Bolger novel.

Moby Nick

[Keith Wilson]

My. While I admire Mr. Bolger's writing style and talents in boat design as much as anyone, Schorpioen is one of the few books I really wish I had never read. Opinions vary, obviously.

[seafox]

Kieth I wonder why? I enjoy that book more every time I read it ( warning sharp stick ) is it because it described a land where people are truely free to do with their property and don't have every detail dictated by some demigods and wannybee cops measuring if your grass is over 6 inches or parked the car behind the house?
best wished to you any all and hope this new year bring a return swing of the pendulum
jeff

[Cedric Rhyn]

Kieth I wonder why? I enjoy that book more every time I read it ( warning sharp stick ) is it because it described a land where people are truely free to do with their property and don't have every detail dictated by some demigods and wannybee cops measuring if your grass is over 6 inches or parked the car behind the house?
best wished to you any all and hope this new year bring a return swing of the pendulum
jeff

Shorpioen might sound like a fiction, but the description above sounds a lot like reality in Australia and New Zealand.

Cedric.

[Keith Wilson]

Oh, I didn't have any problem with his fictionalized description of a libertarian state. I have no patience at all with libertarianism as a political philosophy; IMHO it's an extremist romantic delusion much like Christian theocracy or communism, but that wasn't the problem. The problem was the treatment of women, which was absolutely nauseating, one of the most unpleasant things I've ever had the misfortune to encounter in print.

[seafox]

Mr Rhyn
when you said the above description fit austraila and new zealand did you meen the truely free part or the part where petty goverment officals dictate the color you paint your house? ( local contravercy a house with horozontal siding was painted blue and purple and the neighbors started blueing purple cloulds of steam out their ears. I only say photos in the newspaper but it didn't seen bad to me)

Mr Wilson. thankyou for your reply. I just took the treatment of women in the book as valueing them more highly than they generally are in america. if you note they were generaly better eduicated than the men, were always consulted in maters of busness and mr Bolger as said that he belives if the brainpower in the female half of the human population was not mostly idgnored over the last few hundered years we would be about three centurys farther ahead technologically today. best wishes to you for a happy new year
jeff

[john welsford]

I cant speak for Australia but I could take you to a couple of houses painted like that, not so far from where I live. Its not that uncommon, there is also a shocking pink one a little further away.

John Welsford, in New Zealand where although we often feel that petty officialdon is a trifle interfering in our lives, we are generally grateful that its nothing like what we sometimes hear about from other places.



Mr Rhyn
when you said the above description fit austraila and new zealand did you meen the truely free part or the part where petty goverment officals dictate the color you paint your house? ( local contravercy a house with horozontal siding was painted blue and purple and the neighbors started blueing purple cloulds of steam out their ears. I only say photos in the newspaper but it didn't seen bad to me)

Mr Wilson. thankyou for your reply. I just took the treatment of women in the book as valueing them more highly than they generally are in america. if you note they were generaly better eduicated than the men, were always consulted in maters of busness and mr Bolger as said that he belives if the brainpower in the female half of the human population was not mostly idgnored over the last few hundered years we would be about three centurys farther ahead technologically today. best wishes to you for a happy new year
jeff

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Understanding as I do my late wife Rosemary's limited knowlege of things nautical, it was most likely the presentation of women in Schorpioen which she found most interesting.

Moby Nick