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coelacanth2
12-14-2009, 12:08 AM
Have the opportunity to pick up a (supposedly) good one on the cheep. How is it ? Ballistics tables look good, though it's rather lighter than I'm used to :rolleyes:.

Flitch
12-14-2009, 12:19 AM
I have one and it's my favourite deer gun. It hits whatever I aim it at. Easy on the shoulder too.

paladin
12-14-2009, 03:42 AM
It was my second "large game rifle" after the Winchester .32-40. Loved the gun. It was a Remington and was good for deer up to anything that I couldn't gut and drag away. Great for coyotes too....

purri
12-14-2009, 04:48 AM
257AI for me. Bang for buck rules!

openboater
12-14-2009, 07:40 AM
wonderful cartridge. I used it a lot for woodchucks back in the late 60's early 70's. would be very suitable for anything up to and including deer.

What model rifle ?

perldog007
12-14-2009, 07:52 AM
We cain't hunt nuthing but groundhogs with rifles here in the first state, and .243 is good for that.

Legal for deer in most places and considered adequate for the job. Low recoil. I might want one if out of state hunting was something I was into. For hereabouts, a muzzle loader and archery tackle give you the longest deer season, but you already knew that.

Rick-Mi
12-14-2009, 09:21 AM
Have the opportunity to pick up a (supposedly) good one on the cheep. How is it ? Ballistics tables look good, though it's rather lighter than I'm used to :rolleyes:.

Snap it up! The 243 Win is a super versatile, inherently accurate and low recoil rifle caliber that does it all.

Phillip Allen
12-14-2009, 09:51 AM
good deer rifle and even used for elk if one loads with partition bullets (one needs to understand the structure of elk besides being a good shot to do it though)
killed a ground hog at 400 yards with mine...all I had to aim at was his head

they have a reputation for very long barrel life

htom
12-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Wonderful cartridge for deer and smaller, and for some larger game with skill and knowledge; don't hesitate on account of the cartridge.

J P
12-14-2009, 02:58 PM
Good friend of mine takes an elk just about every year with a 243. He's a good woodsman, knows the game, gets close and doesn't risk an iffy shot. Usually makes neck/spine shots, he's that confident in his accuracy. 243 wouldn't be my first choice for elk but as said, "skill and knowledge" ... and accuracy.

Chip-skiff
12-14-2009, 10:44 PM
Great for coyotes too....

Were you herding sheep, or did you shoot 'em out of pure meanness?

I love coyotes. Hell, I might be a coyote.

perldog007
12-14-2009, 10:57 PM
Were you herding sheep, or did you shoot 'em out of pure meanness?

I love coyotes. Hell, I might be a coyote.

Usually they would be shot as pests, and for pelts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote

BrianW
12-14-2009, 11:29 PM
I like to think of'em as tiny wolves.

Sorry Chuck!! :D

Phillip Allen
12-15-2009, 12:39 AM
I'd shoot the coyotes if I had a need to...without that need, I'd let em alone

BrianW
12-15-2009, 05:08 AM
As for the original post...

I've never owned a 243 Win, but have had a 7mm-08, which is just one step bigger. Loved it!

Great cartridge, and it will do everthing already mentioned. I'd be willing to use it on black bear with proper shot placement. In other words... might have to pass up a lot of shots, but it will work in the proper opportunity, with the proper bullet.

Paul Pless
12-15-2009, 07:06 AM
As for the original post...

I've never owned a 243 Win, but have had a 7mm-08, which is just one step bigger.2 steps larger

coelacanth2
12-15-2009, 07:13 AM
Thanks for the input, folks. I'll see if he still has it available.

openboater
12-15-2009, 08:33 AM
Wait Wait Wait, .243 is a great Cartridge, but what is the make of the rifle?

just 'cause it's chambered in .243 doesn't mean you should run right out and buy it. A poor quality rifle in .243 would still be a poor rifle.

My old Rem .243 was a fine gun, but I had a Mossberg .243 that wasn't so fine. And I'd pass on a Winchester built in the 70's. (post '64)

paladin
12-15-2009, 01:43 PM
Coyotes killing chikkins and calves periodically....as long as they kept the rabbit critter population down it was fine.....then they killed a couple dozen of my laying hens and the rooster, and I suspect a calf......then the association put a $35 bounty on females and $25 on males.

Phillip Allen
12-15-2009, 02:07 PM
Coyotes killing chikkins and calves periodically....as long as they kept the rabbit critter population down it was fine.....then they killed a couple dozen of my laying hens and the rooster, and I suspect a calf......then the association put a $35 bounty on females and $25 on males.

time to thin em out...especially near the farm/house

BrianW
12-15-2009, 02:39 PM
2 steps larger

Should explain, that I'm on a national campaign to ignore the 260 Rem.

If I wanted a 6.5mm bullet, I'd buy a 6.5x55mm rifle.

No cartridge based on the 308 Winchester case should have the word Remington in it's nomenclature. Pure heresy.

J P
12-15-2009, 03:15 PM
Coyotes killing chikkins and calves periodically....as long as they kept the rabbit critter population down it was fine.....then they killed a couple dozen of my laying hens and the rooster, and I suspect a calf......then the association put a $35 bounty on females and $25 on males.


time to thin em out...especially near the farm/house

Maybe folks oughta set up their farms to take better care of their critters.

Coyote "hunting" ain't always about protecting chickens or taking a pelt, it's often just "sport killing" (http://news.deviantart.com/article/100543/), cash prizes even.

And on public land I'd sure rather see coyotes (and wolves, bobcats, mountain lions, bears, wolverine, fisher ...) than cows or sheep any day. Not too happy about my tax dollars supporting farming and stock grower subsidies either.




ETA: Should note that Nikon withdrew their sponsorship of the event in the the link above.

Phillip Allen
12-15-2009, 03:19 PM
don't get your panties in a wad...if they ain't botherin anything then I leave em alone...I like em too

J P
12-15-2009, 03:25 PM
S'ok, I gots plenty a wad cutters. ;)

Krunch
12-15-2009, 05:38 PM
I'd pass on a Winchester built in the 70's. (post '64)

FWIW, I've got a 1980-ish Model 70A in 270 that shoots < 1 MOA all day long...

coelacanth2
12-15-2009, 07:11 PM
just contacted the fellow - Remington700 youth model. Shortened stock, just like his shotgun.

Phillip Allen
12-15-2009, 08:24 PM
I like the 700...you can pay more but won't get more

Chip-skiff
12-15-2009, 09:35 PM
Fair enough. At least you have to be a good shot.

Here in Wyoming the ag-****heads kill 'em with all sorts of poison (legal and otherwise) and helicopter shooting, subsidized by your tax dollars. They have a vicious political lock, despite considerable biological evidence that such tactics actually increase both coyote populations and the incidence of livestock predation.

Go Coyotes!

Bob Smalser
12-15-2009, 10:06 PM
just contacted the fellow - Remington700 youth model. Shortened stock, just like his shotgun.

Excellent action and barrel. And probably the most popular on the continent.....you can find another stock easily if it's too short. Although in a low-recoil cartridge like the .243 you can probably get away with as little as 12-12.5" in LOP if scope eye relief doesn't interfere.

Plus it has a straightforward square lug and is easy to bed.....unlike some I can think of like the older Ruger 77's.

Phillip Allen
12-16-2009, 10:09 AM
Excellent action and barrel. And probably the most popular on the continent.....you can find another stock easily if it's too short. Although in a low-recoil cartridge like the .243 you can probably get away with as little as 12-12.5" in LOP if scope eye relief doesn't interfere.

Plus it has a straightforward square lug and is easy to bed.....unlike some I can think of like the older Ruger 77's.

you mean Ruger has changed that godawful hard to bed lug?

paladin
12-16-2009, 11:39 AM
Dunno...Mine works just great, smooth, fast, and the .257 Roberts seems to work on whatever I aimed at....

Phillip Allen
12-16-2009, 11:53 AM
Dunno...Mine works just great, smooth, fast, and the .257 Roberts seems to work on whatever I aimed at....

Some of us routinely glass-bed our rifles...at least the actions. It eliminates point stress and any alteration of point of impact caused by temperature changes (ambient). The Ruger action was quite difficult to do because cinching it down required movement in two directions at once...

paladin
12-16-2009, 12:28 PM
SOME of the Ruger actions....get a later model one..

Paul Pless
12-16-2009, 01:59 PM
It eliminates point stress and any alteration of point of impact caused by temperature changes (ambient). I think 'reduces' may be more accurate than 'eliminates'.

paladin
12-16-2009, 02:52 PM
Any shooting that I did was very probably from a cold weapon...and usually the first shot was the one that counted....I generally didn't sit any place very long after firing the shot...quiet or not.

openboater
12-16-2009, 03:43 PM
Yup, Rem model 700 is great. beyond the fact that the action is wonderful, the trigger used to be (and hopefully still is) a great trigger. fine adjustments .

Rem 700 and 600's is what we used for Benchrest shooting. Epoxy the action in an aluminum tube for greater rigidity and better bedding. It also helped that the action is round, like the inside of the Al Tube.

Enjoy

blacksmith
12-16-2009, 03:55 PM
Anyone remember the 220Swift? Had it in a FN Mauser Supreme with double set triggers. It was my woodchuck gun, but MY GAWD! what a muzzle report, it would wake the dead. The factory load was advertised at 4110 FPS.

paladin
12-16-2009, 05:00 PM
The .220 Swift was what I was offered in trade for my .222 Remington...didn't trade....

Phillip Allen
12-16-2009, 07:27 PM
the swift was fun but a bit over bore...I don't know first hand but suspect a short barrel life without much gain...22-250 had all the 22's beat

purri
12-17-2009, 01:21 AM
4110 with a 45gn pill. Mo betta a 55 gn at abt 3700 or 63 at 3450.

openboater
12-17-2009, 07:20 AM
AAAHHHHHH, Swift. Now there's a varmint killer. I LOVE a Swift. Had a Ruger 77 with 26" bbl that was deadly, but my favorite was when i took a sleeved Remington action, added a 32" Hart SS barrel, 2oz trigger and Redfield 3200 .
That gun weighed over 20 lb's . Drive out on the edge of a large field, set sandbags on the hood and sit there for an hour or more just waiting for the woodchucks to come out.

That was in the 70's. too many houses around here to do that now.

blacksmith
12-17-2009, 09:40 AM
About the .220 Swift, it was a barrel eater,and Winchester offered a Model 70 with a stainless barrel in that caliber.We did some experimenting with different loads and bullet weights and interestingly,found that the factory load gave the best groups,but we didn't do that much tinkering.