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Tim Bagshaw
08-21-2004, 10:51 AM
Hello,

I'm new to the forum, my name is Tim and I live in Bedford IN. I am planning to build a Hartley Trailer Sailer 18. Has anyone here ever built, repaired or sailed on one? I've found that there is little or no US builders of this boat. I orginally was going the build a Weekender but it is not enough boat for the whole family. I've never built a boat before but I am a woodworker and am very good with my hands and reading plans. But it's always nice when you get stumped to talk to someone whose been there. Thanks for any info!

PHins UP!!! ~~^~~
Tim

ken mcclure
08-21-2004, 11:07 AM
http://www.hartley-boats.com/images/18a.jpg

A good looking boat! First I've seen it, but I'd imagine others will weigh in here with some opinions and, no doubt, alternatives.... tongue.gif

Dave Fleming
08-21-2004, 11:29 AM
Pssst, Mr Smalser recently restored one of the Harley versions in Washington State.
He posted quite a bit about the process here in B&R.

Use the SEARCH thing in the upper right hand corner of your screen and see what pops up.

edited for spelling, sigh.

[ 08-21-2004, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

JimJ
08-21-2004, 07:05 PM
Tim

Welcome to the world of Hartley Trailer Sailers, the original trailer sailer.

There a lot of Hartleys in the SE Queensland area. You can look us up at

http://www.users.bigpond.com/bpwales/

Our adventures are recorded in our Hartley's Hotline at

http://www.users.bigpond.com/aeroservice/Hartley_Hotline.html

I have been restoring a TS 18 over the last two years. Some photos are at

http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008970

They are a fun and safe boat. We day sail but have spent up to 4 days on board on extended trips.

If you have any specific questions, please ask

Jim

JimD
08-21-2004, 07:11 PM
JimJ, I have a question for you. How are they ballasted. I was specifically looking at the Hartley 24. Couldn't find the info I was looking for at the Hartley web site,
thanks, Jim

Bob Smalser
08-21-2004, 07:28 PM
The one I redid for the kids was a Hartley 14....balasted by a half-inch plate steel centerboard:

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3075025/37657497.jpg

But I added a hundred pounds of lead shot along side the trunk anyway, for comfort. Surprisingly stable little boat....all that beam and hard chines make for a comfortable ride.

An easy boat to sail....straightforward ply-on-sawn frame construction with shallow keel:

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3075025/37657554.jpg

The plans go into little detail on the rig, however, leaving almost everything but sail size to the builder.

Looking at the plans, were I gonna build one from scratch, I'd make sure to sweeten all curves that the designers left cranked for ease of construction...one example is the plywood coaming...cranked in the plans, but faired here:

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3075025/57769330.jpg

Bending plywood to that degree isn't easy....the technique the original builder used was to scarf the coaming to almost twice its finished length, bevel the lower edge, steam, fasten forward (size 16 screws thru the 1/4 ply trunk cabin into backer blocks) and bend it around, fastening it to the cleat mounted to the deck and frame shown below...then it was trimmed and finished in place:

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3075025/57597751.jpg

The builder also added some deck camber and also some sheer that the boat's looks benefit from immensely:

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/3075025/57597765.jpg

Haven't seen the TS-18 plans, but another change I'd make is stepping the 18'+ mast....one squirrelly event done freehand.

I'd construct the cabintop mast step and mast crutch so the mast rides backwards when unstepped....then is slid forward on the step and the mast slot slid on the step's crossbolt. Then I'd mount the boom to the gooseneck, hold it on place with the topping lift, and raise the mast by pulling the boom sternwards using the winch while my partner on the cabintop steadies it and secures the forestay.

[ 08-21-2004, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

JimJ
08-21-2004, 07:31 PM
Jim

There are a couple of books written by Richard Hartley. In one of them he says that the TS18 needs between 1 and 2 cwt of ballast forward of the centreboard case.

I am not sure about the TS21. We have a couple of TS21 in the Association here. The one I sail on accosionally has fitted ballast but I not sure how much. It certainly improved his boat, especially in a bit of a blow. He also sails it single-handed.

I don't have the books as they are like hens teeth.

At present I do not have any fixet ballast as my boat is used mainly for cruising and is reasnoably heavy without ballast. I have a water tank between the second and third frame.

One of our members has a modified centreboard on his TS18. The lower third of the board is about 2'' thick. He has a wider centreboard slot and case with a trailer winch to raise and lower the board. It certainly makes his boat a lot stiffer.

To race the Hartleys the boat has to be at least the minimum weight for a Class A boat. Lead ballast is stowed aroung the forward part of the CB case. The TS16 are the main race boat here.

Jim

JimD
08-21-2004, 08:28 PM
I've just emailed Hartley and asked about ballast. Still dreaming of a plywood pocket cruiser that can be put together relatively quickly and cheaply that has standing headroom. The 24 has 5'11". The cabin looks like it sticks up like a bit of a sore thumb but at least she is designed that way and it's a tradeoff I could live with.

Stiletto
08-22-2004, 01:56 AM
Until recently a friend had one of these and it had Iron ballast inside the boat as well as the plate centreboard. The iron was cast into blocks with handles cast in for ease of installation.

Stiletto
08-22-2004, 01:57 AM
Until recently a friend had one of these and it had Iron ballast inside the boat as well as the plate centreboard. The iron was cast into blocks with handles cast in for ease of installation.