deep draught 15' Cutter for S&G ply

[Daniel Noyes]

Here's some preliminary sketches I have been working up for a tiny 15'loa sheet ply Cutter...lest our British forumites feel left out on the plywood Sandbagger thread :)
Dan
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2776/4166804329_6f71263309_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dansdories/4166804329/)

[JimD]

Bigger pics, please, Daniel.

[sailboy3]

Yes, bigger pics, but it looks good.

[Thorne]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2776/4166804329_6f71263309.jpg

[donald branscom]

Are you going to build a model?

[JimD]

And more specs. Displacement? Ballast? Sailplan?

[TimmS]

Some very interesting designs you you have been posting lately Dan. Keep 'em coming! The more specs, photos, design influences, drawings, and thoughts you post the better.

[outofthenorm]

I like it. Rather like CP Kunhardt's Dodge

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-46915497187481_2082_1767861016

[Daniel Noyes]

Ok I slapped a model together last night but have to get the photos on line, seemed to work, there is a fair amount of twist to that piced in pannel, thre's the rub.

How do you envisage this boat being used? What's the market? Who's the customer? Is this a single person boat like the US 2.4 Meter Class?

the displacement will be quite alot for a 15' boat, if trailering a fair amount would necessarily be water ballast... but who trailers a plank on edge type cutter??
Sail would depend on ballast arrangement, I envision something huge, handled on deck by crew scurrying about as the hull plunges through a confused chop... still working on the sail plan
Builder would be a real Cutter Crank with limited traditional wood working experience... a rare breed!
Someone who wants to build a ply wood boat but wants a traditional type ballasted hull form.
there might be room for one bunk below deck... not sure

Displacement? Ballast? Sailplan? T.B.D. :)
lenght 15'
beam 3 1/2'
draft 3' 3"
LWL 13 1/2'
spared L 24-26'

Dan

[gordocutter]

Very nice, I would like to build one. Her dimensions are similar to Buehler’s Pogo Pogo, isn’t ? Just one curiosity, why not a single chine?

[dskira]

I love the design and I hope Daniel will built it. Very clever and must be quite great to sail it.
But I don't get it and please don't get me wrong. When I asked time ago in the bilge why we can't show our own drawing, almost all the members gave me hell, saying that the WoodenBoat Forum rules are to be respected.
Change of heart gentlemen? see the light at the end of the tunnel?
Cheers
Daniel (the other one)

[Paul Pless]

Change of heart gentlemen?There does seem to be a little more leeway thesedays. Plus there's this: link (http://www.woodenboat.com/boatplansandkits/index.php)

[OconeePirate]

For what its worth, Daniel's two designs he just posted and some of the other designs that have been posted by others recently aren't designs ready for sale, or even build yet. They're being posted for review and critique. It does promote the designer some but it seems to be more a situation of the designer asking for input to improve the design. Look at the 15' Bagger thread, its a give and take situation, not a hey, buy this.

[dskira]

For what its worth, Daniel's two designs he just posted and some of the other designs that have been posted by others recently aren't designs ready for sale, or even build yet. They're being posted for review and critique. It does promote the designer some but it seems to be more a situation of the designer asking for input to improve the design. Look at the 15' Bagger thread, its a give and take situation, not a hey, buy this.

Paul Pless this is an interresting link, and yes I knew it. It is nice. Thanks.
OconeePirate that is sementic. Around and around.
Cheers
Daniel

[JimD]

... that is sementic. Around and around.
Cheers
Daniel

Yes, its somewhat semantic. But please keep in mind it wasn't the forum membership that created all the fuzzy grey confusion. For better or worse the cause was mainly our host's policy, and its their website to run as they please.

[Daniel Noyes]

When I asked time ago in the bilge why we can't show our own drawing, almost all the members gave me hell,

Ther's your problem, what did you expect to get, asking a question in the Bildge! :)

I for one wish more designers would post design Ideas to the forum. This is a sketch and not a set of plans for sale (no off sets) , I'm looking for feed back/ reaction to the Idea...I have a bunch more too

Dan

[Daniel Noyes]

similar to Buehler’s Pogo Pogo, isn’t ? Just one curiosity, why not a single chine?

I looked at Pogo, nice boat, she looks lots bigger than this hull, probably the width, this cutter is only 3 1/2' wide.

By single chine I assume you are suggesting a V bottom hull with a deep heavy dead wood keel to aproximate the Cutter hull type?
sure that would be another way to achieve a similar type hull...possibly a better way, I think it would need less ballast, but thats how these plank on edge types worked they had a narrow, deep built down hull with lots of ballast at the bottom.
Dan

[Daniel Noyes]

Which one next? a 12' yard tug for inboard power or 19' glued-lap ply catamaran styled on Hereshoffs famous Amarillis?

[outofthenorm]

Yard tug! Yard Tug!

[TimmS]

I would love to see the cat!

[Daniel Noyes]

Hi guys
the tugs about ready to go. it's just too cute.

this unusual machine might interest you Tim, also Amarillis/Hudson river sternsteerer design feel.
I think the design is a little ambitious horse power wise and I have since redrawn the design with larger planing hulls, longer wheel base on the 16' backbone and larger sail...
http://woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89490&highlight=30+knots

[dskira]

Ther's your problem, what did you expect to get, asking a question in the Bildge! :)

I for one wish more designers would post design Ideas to the forum. This is a sketch and not a set of plans for sale (no off sets) , I'm looking for feed back/ reaction to the Idea...I have a bunch more too

Dan

Of course you are right about the bilge :o
As I said, I love your design. It was not your work involve in my surprise.
I would lkike to see much more from a lot of designer, but lets face it they disapear, since they can't show anything.
I tryed myself, it was not for sale, in the design section, it was just a sketch, it was removed presto. You are more lucky.
As I said on the bilge, they do not like designer here. Sorry.
I realy hope they like you, and you continue to show your work with more plans.
I love your cutter, built it, fast, and go sailing like in the nineteen century.
Daniel

[Daniel Noyes]

Unfortunately I'm not building this little ship any time soon, I live in dory country for good reason, I could only sail this little cutter for an hour or two either side of high tide, our river dries out to a trickle at low tide, down river at ipswich or mabey out on Cape anne is a completely different story, plenty of deep water but I like walking down the street to go for a sail!

suggested sail plan
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4184655063_b2422ddb88_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dansdories/4184655063/)
and card board model
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2640/4182853549_927d4938ae_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dansdories/4182853549/)http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4182852793_3ddf4e13d2_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dansdories/4182852793/)

[wtarzia]

If you can get a bunk in that, it would be a serious adventure boat. -- Wade

[paladin]

I did a 19 footer similar to that in the early 70's...I remember it as it was the very first Gaff rig that I did and had to spend a lot of time researching the rig and components ....long before the internet.

[outofthenorm]

Wow. She'd be a handful, that's for sure. What a blast on a reach! My kind of fun.

- Norm