Pacific Northwest Arctic Cold And Wind Coming!

[Bob Triggs]

Just thought I would offer this as a heads-up warning to anyone in the Puget Sound, San Juan Islands, Strait Of Juan de Fuca region.

Arctic cold air and high winds to come out of the Fraser River Valley and very hig northeast winds, strongest at west end of Strait of Juan de Fuca, gusts to over 55-60 kts at times by late this weekend. Very cold to 20 degrees or lower at times extended. This guy is very accurate.

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com

[TimH]

I have frost in my yard all day long now as it is.

[pcford]

looks like winter. no snow in the forecast though.

(Seattle effectively grinds to a halt if there is snow.)

[mmd]

And here on the Canadian east coast we are experiencing temperatures 25 degrees F higher than normal. I went out to lunch today in shirtsleeves, when last year this time I would have had to put on my parka and scraped frost off the windshield of my truck.

[BETTY-B]

(Seattle effectively grinds to a halt if there is snow.)

I love being the only one on the road when that happens. Seattle becomes my oyster. And the Ford boot melter happily blows on!:)

DAN

[TimH]

I used to do that back in Michigan when I was in my late teens/early 20s.

In a big blizzard a bunch of us would hop in the old 4X4 with a bunch of beer and go cruising around :)

[donald branscom]

I used to do that back in Michigan when I was in my late teens/early 20s.

In a big blizzard a bunch of us would hop in the old 4X4 with a bunch of beer and go cruising around :)

Did you take any matches ,food or toilet paper with you?
Good thing you did not have any problems.

[Three Cedars]

The cool NW wind started yesterday morning . Hundreds of trumpeter swans moved in to the local fields 1/4 mile away , their sonorous honking goes on all night and the thousands of ducks add whistling overhead as they drift down onto the pond behind the house. Looks like it all the ponds will freeze over in the next few days.

[TimH]

Did you take any matches ,food or toilet paper with you?
Good thing you did not have any problems.

Nah. The most snow we usually got at any one time was maybe a foot or two.

[WX]

I had a phone call from my daughter in Milwaukee this morning, it's snowing and she sounded cold...they built their first snowman:D
She's coming home for a visit in Feb and she's really going to notice the difference. High 30s low 40s C here.

[Glen Longino]

Snow went south and east of me today...toward Houston and Galveston.
Earliest snow on record for Houston.

[TimH]

Just came in from removing the engine bracket from my Typhoon. There is ice forming on the deck but it doesnt feel that bad if you are doing something. No wind yet.

[StevenBauer]

We had 66f here in Portland yesterday. :eek:



Steven

[JimD]

Frosty nights, bright sunny days here. Last winter it began to snow mid December and more or less continued to do so until mid January. It was mid February before it started to feel like spring again. It was so cold our fig tree died back and had to start over. I miss fresh figs.

[David G]

My sweetie is on Vashon Island all weekend. I told her to take the ExtraThick dropseat longies :p

[Boston]

its been bare arsed cold here in the waist-lands of the Midwest. not much wind or snow but plenty of cold cold cold
was down in the single digits last night

[ShagRock]

Here in Alberta, just finished shoveling 15" snow drifts from the driveway and dipping to -20C tomorrow:eek:. Alas, wish I could pick up the house and turn it into the wind when it changes direction. A man needs iron will for this - snow blower or no!

[I, Rowboat]

Clearly, this means that Global Warming simply must be a hoax. My pastor says so, and he's quite an expert on what constitutes valid evidence.

[TimH]

My pastor says so, and he's quite an expert on what constitutes valid evidence.

Well he does have a direct line to god after all.

[Yeadon]

Clearly, this means that Global Warming simply must be a hoax. My pastor says so, and he's quite an expert on what constitutes valid evidence.

You have a pastor? Where do you keep him?

[Boston]

apparently out in the back yard keeping an eye on the weather

we are at solar minimum kids
stands to reason the warming trend would slow during the minimum point on the cycle of solar activity. Thing is its still rising even though we are in the minimum and thats scary cause it should have been falling

last year this year and likely next are going to be relatively cool compared to the previous few before that but and its a whopping huge but in the next say 6~7 years its going to be getting mighty warm around our little globe whether you want to admit it or not

best berometer of temp
non invasive species home range's moving uphill
that and ice melt
the western pine beetle infestation for instance has spread to high country because its no longer cold enough up there to kill them off in the winter. There a hundreds of miles of dead Forrest up in Frazer valley co. and all along the front range all because of global warming
Frazer valley is one of the two coldest places in the continental states :cool:
ice melt
if its getting colder
how come all this ice is melting :confused:

just sayin :)

cause when I went to school ice melts when things get warmer ;)

[I, Rowboat]

You have a pastor? Where do you keep him?
As far away from the children as possible!!! :D

[2MeterTroll]

odd to have to say but the warmer it is the more snow some places get.

any whoo i am sitting here on a nice warm bench. it will be warm tomorrow morning as will our house.

[wizbang 13]

Oh Crap, I left Gig Harbor last week for 5 months sailing my big boat in the Caribbean.

[willmarsh3]

It snowed here last night - fairly early in the winter. I normally don't see it until January.

[CharlieCobra]

We had flurries yesterday at the house and it was cold in the shop. At least there's no precip falling on the boat.

[TimH]

almost 40 at my house this morning (Coupeville). On my way to America and from Freeland south its about 30 and everything is frost covered. The roads are slick and its socked in with fog.

[2MeterTroll]

Bloody frost..... now i have to bring the Avocado tree in :(

ita just about to big for the house but not yet big enough for staying outdoors all the time.

[Lew Barrett]

Walked our chores up and down the hill today. It was slippery this morning, but has warmed up considerably, probably due to the clear skies and sun. Actually, it is beautiful here today ....guessing upper thirties, low forties, clear as a bell and very light breezes. I could handle more of this weather if this is what winter has in store for us.

[I, Rowboat]

The boy and I set crab pots about an hour ago in what has turned out to be a sterling day. Clear, crisp, and a 10 knot breeze out of the north -- plenty for Dragonfly under a full sail, plus a beam reach both ways out to the crabbing grounds.

Here we are on the return:
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp533%3A3%3Enu%3D3284%3E98%3A%3E898%3E WSNRCG%3D3387%3B%3A8%3A%3A732%3Cnu0mrj

Plus the daughter will need some time with Dad, because she's too crawly to be in an open boat right now. Here we are enjoying a book about bunnies:
http://images2e.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp537%3C7%3Enu%3D3284%3E98%3A%3E898%3E WSNRCG%3D3387%3B%3B429%3A32%3Cnu0mrj
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp533%3A3%3

[BobW]

I, Rowboat - That is a great picture!

At the risk of asking a question I should probably know (or be able to find) the answer to, what design is Dragonfly?

Years ago, when I was attending grad school in Tacoma, a classmate and I would spend weekends in Kingston aboard his parents' Californian 34: crabbing, trolling for salmon, bottom fishing for rock cod - and sometimes actually studying.

Good times, good memories.

Bob

[I, Rowboat]

I, Rowboat - That is a great picture!

At the risk of asking a question I should probably know (or be able to find) the answer to, what design is Dragonfly?

Years ago, when I was attending grad school in Tacoma, a classmate and I would spend weekends in Kingston aboard his parents' Californian 34: crabbing, trolling for salmon, bottom fishing for rock cod - and sometimes actually studying.

Good times, good memories.

Bob

We certainly enjoy Kingston!

Dragonfly is a Ness Yawl - an Iain Oughtred design built by James McMullen (another WBF Formite) 11 years ago.

[BobW]

Ness Yawl... guess I need to add that to the list of possibilities...

Thanks.

Bob

[G. Schollmeier]

http://media.komonews.com/images/600*459/PC020119.JPG
Domestic duties kept me off the water today. It was an absolutely perfect day, high teens, bright sun and little wind when I got to the park at 7:30. I had the place to myself, people start hibernating around here if it drops below freezing. Which was half the year when I was back in Duluth. With temps in the low 20’s the last few day I have been seeing this strange frost on some of the rotten wood in park where the dog and I walk every day. I have had little luck with identification and have not seen this anywhere before in my life. Is this strange or just normal stuff for the PNW?
Gary :D
I guess this didn't work here is the link.
http://www.komonews.com/younews/78609472.html?img=1&mg=t

[I, Rowboat]

Wow! That is cool! I have not seen that before.

[G. Schollmeier]

Cool is a good word for this stuff. I shopped my photo all over the place, even the TV weather man and got zero. I put it on the WBF and bang I get some good info. I love this place.
Gary :D

[Three Cedars]

Yep, they're called frost flowers or ice ribbons. The result of just the right combination of water-saturated rotten wood and the proper temperature.

"In March 1884, Nature reported that one Professor Schwalbe, at a meeting of the Physical Society in Berlin, had succeeded in producing his own ice flowers from withered and rotten twigs he'd brought with him to the conference from the Harz Mountains. He simply moistened the twig thoroughly so that no water dropped off, then let it cool slowly in what's described rather vaguely as "a cold preparation."


http://www.its.caltech.edu/%7Eatomic/snowcrystals/frost/Rempel2.jpg

yeah that is all over the place around here , never thought to give it a name other than frost , it is pretty though. We also have a green spore that turns the odd piece of dead wood green

[I, Rowboat]

Yes, like the mid-West, much of the good farmland in Oregon and Washington has always depended on the kindness of glaciers.

[TimH]

A few years back the landscape also funneled an ocean of water through here when the ice dam on Lake Missoula let go. Before my time.

http://geology.isu.edu/Digital_Geology_Idaho/Module13/LakeMissoula.gif

That did some real interesting sculpting in eastern Washington over by Sun Lakes.

http://www.kidscosmos.org/kid-stuff/mars-trip-graphics/dry-falls-sat.jpg

[capt jake]

Wind is really blowing here now at 15-20. Out of the N NE, which is uncommon here and the trees roots aren't strong in that direction. Supposed to drop and be 17 here tonight!

[capt jake]

Damn, now the big limbs are coming down! One hit the house; too dark to tell what happened.

[Boston]

so whats the damage report capt
everything ok I hope
B

[capt jake]

Just some big limbs that bounced off of the house. Nothing major this time.

We seldom get the winds out of the east or north here(in my region) so the trees always suffer the most at these times. Thank goodness it hasn't been raining recently; making the ground unstable.

Its cooolllldd. 32 degrees and the wind at about 20. Felt good though. No clouds either! :)

[BrianW]

All calm at Sea Tac.

Headed to Sitka today.

[capt jake]

I am about 40 miles south of SeaTac and it is very windy. You must be inside. ;) ;)

[TimH]

windy here. My wind chimes are threatening to abandon their hooks.

[Paul Girouard]

Hardly any wind here in Oak Harbor, suns out, maybe some puffs to 10 MPH, they are out of the north, it's around 32 deg., I'd guess. Took a walk this AM heading into the wind( north) it was a bit chilly. Sorta nice really.

Global warming?? Ya right:rolleyes:

[TimH]

Global warming?? Ya right:rolleyes:

I hope you arent serious.

[Boston]

snowing and beautiful out here in no mans land

[TimH]

Boston always gets snw doesnt it?

[Paul Girouard]

I hope you arent serious.



About global warming? It's a serious joke , we have some climatic change , it always happening, periods of hot , periods of cooler weather, nuttin new about it.

IMO man has little to do with it. That being said using resources wisely, "cleaning up" ( good to read Victoria's finally doing some thing with thier sewer waste) the way we live, using less (when possible) are all good things.

Cap and tax not so much:mad:

[TimH]

Im not saying how much affect man has on accelerating climate change. I have a feeling our air pollution has bearing on it though. How could it not?
The ice is melting. Average temps are up. Nobody can deny that.

All you have to do is look at the yellow haze near any metro area. How could that not have an effect? You can clearly SEE it with your own eyes.

[Boston]

forgive them lord they know not what they do

a few peaceful questions if I might
how is it the increase of Co2 just happens to precisely coincide with the advent or the industrial usage of fossil fuels
how is it that the isotopic signature of this additional Co2 clearly identifies the source as being fossil fuels
how is it that the physical properties of this additional Co2 would not effect the planetary system
how is it that nearly every glacier is in dramatic retreat in remarkable coincidence with the rise in Co2
how is it the tree ring data agrees so precisely with other methods of tracking the rise in Co2 and confirms the proxy data
how is it the ice core data also agrees shows no comparable spike in Co2, over the last 800,000 years
how is it that 97% of scientists who study the issue all come to the same conclusion
how is it that simple coincidence explains the parallel events of the dramatic rise in both co2 and temp measured today when the physical properties of the gas itself dictate the resultant rise in temp

not only does the argument that the rise in Co2 is natural require that one ignore the megatons of not just Co2 being produced by humanity but the megatons of CH4 as well. Then that position must also suggest that an exactly parallel source of both these gasses as of yet undiscovered must exist in order to explain the recent increase in atmospheric levels. The mythical source must have the exact isotopic signature of fossil derived Co2 and it must also fluctuate in parallel with man's use of fossil fuels to account for the variations of atmospheric concentrations of Co2 that also exactly parallel man use of fossil fuels per decade, century, and so on.

The argument that Co2 is not anthropogenic is simply untenable within the science.

believe what you will
but the evidence is overwhelmingly against the idea that this is in any way a natural variation.

cheers
B

[RodSBT]

Here is an article that may be of interest on the issue of so-called man caused global warming:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html

[capt jake]

Wow, just got home and what a mess! I cleaned it up this morning, but there is twice as many limbs and stuff all over. Big branches down now and it is blowin'!

[Boston]

here is a lecture that may be of interest by Dr Naomi Oreski's a climate scientist and science historian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio


The lecture is a response to political and corporate involvement in the agnotology and disinformation campaign in denial of rapid global climate change, it is an analysis of the history of both the science behind the theory and of corporate and political entities involvement in attempting to deceive the American people with views sympathetic to there own financial interests.

My fave part is that the same public relations people who worked for the tobaco industry in there efforts to deny the harmful effects of smoking are now working with the energy industry to deny the theory of rapid climate change.

cheers
B

[RodSBT]

Boston,

Not trying to start a fight, the problem is, as stated in the article I posted, there is no accurate temp. readings (i.e. actual on location instrument readings such as a thermometer) before the mid 1800's. That being the case, there is only speculation as to what the exact temps. were before that time. The computer models used for reconstructing past temp.s are just that, models, and not accurate enough to validate rewriting mankind.

There isn't a single climatologist that can tell me what the actual temp. was May 6th, 1213, or 1493, etc. etc. any where on the planet. They can guess and come up with some averages but still just speculation.

We haven't been recording accurate temp. readings for enough time on planet earth to make the claim that mankind is causing the rise (or fall for that matter) in average temps.

Considering that CO2 makes up 00.03 percent of all the gases present in the atmosphere and our share of that makes up less than 4 percent of that 3 one hundredths of 1 percent only adds to the speculative nature of the claim of man caused global warming.

Regardless of the "experts" claims, we don't have enough data to say one way or the other. Temp. records go back less than 200 yrs. and earth is 4.5 billion yrs. old.... just not enough data.

[TimH]

The ice sheets and glaciers are a good indicator that the temp was cooler.

[Boston]

nah I been over this a thousand times
Im pretty numb to it at this point


Not trying to start a fight, the problem is, as stated in the article I posted, there is no accurate temp. readings (i.e. actual on location instrument readings such as a thermometer) before the mid 1800's. That being the case, there is only speculation as to what the exact temps. were before that time. The computer models used for reconstructing past temp.s are just that, models, and not accurate enough to validate rewriting mankind.no worries but I would highly recommend you watch the video of Naomi's lecture though

The article you noted is a travesty of misinformation and agnotology based almost entirely on the advancement of a political view and is typical of the campaign against science. There are numerous methods to derive temp from the various data sets. fortunately they are checked one against the other to reveal a surprisingly consistent and well documented record going back approximately 800,000 years. Earlier if your willing to accept a lesser degree ( couldnt help the pun ) of accuracy which most climate scientists are not.

computer models have little or nothing to do with collating this type of data


There isn't a single climatologist that can tell me what the actual temp. was May 6th, 1213, or 1493, etc. etc. any where on the planet. They can guess and come up with some averages but still just speculation.there is a whopping huge difference between a detailed analysis of multiple data sets resulting in consistent results and
"speculation"


We haven't been recording accurate temp. readings for enough time on planet earth to make the claim that mankind is causing the rise (or fall for that matter) in average temps.The premise of the statement is incorrect. We dont record the paleo-climate temp, but rather the temp is recorded by the environment. Science then analysis numerous elements of the environment and surprisingly enough we find very consistent results.



Considering that CO2 makes up 00.03 percent of all the gases present in the atmosphere and our share of that makes up less than 4 percent of that 3 one hundredths of 1 percent only adds to the speculative nature of the claim of man caused global warming.sorry but this shows a complete misunderstanding of both the numbers ( your numbers are way wrong by the way ) and the physics involved. Even a rudimentary understanding of the basic physics involved would show that adding 27~30% ( human contribution thus far ) to the greenhouse gas content will have a significant effect resulting in both regime shift and trophic cascade throughout the system


Regardless of the "experts" claims, we don't have enough data to say one way or the other. Temp. records go back less than 200 yrs. and earth is 4.5 billion yrs. old.... just not enough data.Interesting point your making

If your referring to the 97% consensus in science that the theory is accurate but then suggesting that we ignore this, are you not kinda defeating your own argument by admitting that your view is "regardless" of the science.

If your denying that innumerable data sets exist all analyzing the earths paleo-climate history with corroborating sets going back ~800,000 years then you are clearly in denial of the evidence provided by hundreds of researchers and by extension then also denying the very science that you previously quoted as evidence to be considered

if your suggesting that there is more data need when the real test of a theories completeness lies within its ability to predict then I would direct you once again to Naomi's lecture where she specifically mentions this issue.
50 years ago the theory of rapid climate change made predictions and they are right on the money today. Apparently they had sufficient data 50 years ago.

I also am not interested in discussing this issue outside of the specified climate threads ( which I ignore these days by the way ) however essentially everything in your previous shows a complete lack of understanding of the theory or the science behind it and instead a pretty well indoctrinated view of what the ognotologists would have you to believe.

I wish you the best and I hope you forgive me if the tone of my response seemed a tad terse ( sometimes I come off that way even though I'm really not aiming in that direction ) but I think I will bow out of any further discussions of this topic on this thread. There are other threads already dedicated to this topic located elsewhere.

The science is more than settled and any effort to thwart the misinformation campaign will have to be made by someone else

signing off
cheers
B

[capt jake]

Hey! The wind has let up a little! :)

[RodSBT]

Hows the surf?:D

[Boston]

ya its 7° here and slick as ice out there driving
time to head out to the club and begin my evening

cheers
B

[RodSBT]

You're right Boston,

I was off, it's closer to 00.04 percent total CO2 content.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

http://micpohling.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/math-how-much-co2-by-weight-in-the-atmosphere/

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2042035/how_much_carbon_dioxide_co2_is_in_the.html




These guys go with your 97% of scientists of 3146 polled.
http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0122-climate.html

However here is a list, state by state, of something like 19,000 scientists who don't agree.

http://www.petitionproject.org/signers_by_state_main.php


It also appears the elite who will be deciding for us what our future should be don't really care about global warming, or they would be a little more responsible with their carbon foot print:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

It is pretty obvious the debate is not over, far from it.

..and by the way, you do beautiful wood work.

[Michael Beckman]

Googled a few names from that petition.. Medical Doctors are qualified climatologists now huh?

[2MeterTroll]

Rod please go read one of the 10 other threads on the subject that have been o this forum. there is a large amount of actual science i those threads and rebuts to pretty much every thing you are bringing up. have fun in them this one is not about your views and for the most part i think no one actually cares to try and educate folks any more on the subject.

and to change the subject.

We moved the avocado tree into the breeze way. it didn't seem to bothered by the little frost it took. when this cold spat passes we will drag it back out to the lawn. next year it will be too big to move i think. Any one want an avocado tree grown from seed? its about 8 feet now and will get to around 80 by the time its done growing. We would like to find it a happy home with someone who likes happy plants and has room for this critter long term. we would like it to go to someone who will let us visit it from time to time. its no special hybrid just an avocado seed Erica decided to grow in collage.

[Boston]

its hard to want to discus science when people start quoting Wikipedia
its definitely time to bow out partly because this is an obvious hijack of the thread
but also because its just not worth going over again for the umpteenth time
take some classes and learn the science is all I can really say

your first source Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable
your second source quotes your first
your third source's first article is about dating and relationships ( hardly an accredited scientific journal )
your fourth source coroberates my earlier statement that 97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is caused by man
your fifth source has been completely discredited

http://www.desmogblog.com/flawed-oregon-petition-rises-again


A climate change petition started in 1988 by the tobacco industry's favourite scientist (Federick Seitz) (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Frederick_Seitz), has just been re-released (http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html) with a reported 31,072 signatures of "scientists" - some of whom are reported to actually work in the field.
The Oregon Petition was originally started by Dr. Seitz (formerly the principal adviser to the RJ Reynolds medical research program) and by Arthur B. Robinson, a lapsed biochemist who now operates the one-man Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Me dicine).
Robinson himself was quoted recently saying that a survey was an inadequate way to pursue science. "The numbers shouldn’t matter. But if they want warm bodies, we have them.”
But that turns out to be an overstatement. Seitz, for example, died in March.
But the odd quirk has not lessened the excitement that this document is generating in the denier press. Take for example the breathless coverage offered by the National Post. (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/05/17/32-000-deniers.aspx) Frequent contributor Lawrence Solomon declares that 32,000 is even more than the number of journalists who attended the Rio Earth Summit in 1992, which surely must prove something.
Of course, Solomon recently produced a whole book entitled The Deniers (http://www.desmogblog.com/directory/quick/), which, despite the title, included NO ONE who actually takes issue with the fact that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet at an unprecedented rate.
your sixth source is a politically active news rag hardly comparable with a scientific journal and as such unlikely to be discussing the unbiased science.

this is precisely why I bow out of this kind of discussion, its not based on the science which is clear, concise, consistent and inarguable, instead its based on a political agenda spewing misinformation and spin by both the corporate and political entities that stand to gain from twisting the science to such a degree that it can be made profitable to the few rather than socially and environmentally beneficial to the many

I regret having disrupted the thread with moments of reality and apologize for having so effectively demolished every sentence and pericope of disinformation concerning the science of rapid global climate change as to have instigated an adverse reaction. I know my literary style is somewhat dry and having written innumerable papers on the subject the simple barrage of information at my disposal is somewhat daunting to some however I had no ill intent in my responses.

in the end Jerry G. said it best

"you aint going to learn, what you don't want to know"

love B

4° here in the Midwest at 2:09 AM
wind calm
wishing I was listening to an ocean on a not so distant shore

I wish peace to all
and may all your dreams come true
as for me
Im going to build my retirement yacht
sail off into the distance
and hope like hell I'm wrong about a lot of things
best wishes
B

[capt jake]

Very cold now. Warming???

[capt jake]

Winds is fairly calm now and it is 26. Not the predicted 17 !

Uuhh 24 and falling...0530

[TimH]

25 here.

[RodSBT]

Since I have added to the thread drift on man caused global warming I figured I should move it over the bilge

http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106675

Back to the weather... got up this morning with 0 deg. temps at the house and below zero in town, but the suns' out! Life is good.

[I, Rowboat]

We moved the avocado tree into the breeze way. it didn't seem to bothered by the little frost it took. when this cold spat passes we will drag it back out to the lawn. next year it will be too big to move i think. Any one want an avocado tree grown from seed? its about 8 feet now and will get to around 80 by the time its done growing. We would like to find it a happy home with someone who likes happy plants and has room for this critter long term. we would like it to go to someone who will let us visit it from time to time. its no special hybrid just an avocado seed Erica decided to grow in collage.

2MT -- Thanks for getting us back to better things. I'm glad to hear your avacado tree was saved. Man, it was cold this morning: frost all over the Shelback dinghy's oars, thwarts, and everywhere. Plus there was a thin veneer of ice in the calmest parts of the marina. I've never used the dinghy as an icebreaker before!

James McMullen came down from Anacortes yesterday to help me and Finn retreive the pots we set yesterday. It was frickin' cold! First we had to row over to Dragonfly at the Kingston Marina. I left her at the guest dock overnight:
http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/39586/2785333310088484686S500x500Q85.jpg

Then we had to sail out there in a leisurely but icy 5 knot breeze. Of course, being the derelict dad that I am, the boy didn't leave the dock with his mittens on, but we took care of that later. Finn likes to pretend he's steering the boat with those belay pins:
http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/44944/2849010370088484686S500x500Q85.jpg


Dragonfly's lug main holds her shape pretty well. I've got a few more seasons out of this canvas. I really oughtta replace the yarn tell-tales with ribbon from a cassette tape, though.
http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/37204/2952570080088484686S500x500Q85.jpg

I'd like to say that we caught another dozen of these but, alas, sometimes it's just not like that. It was the largest rock crab I've seen in a while though, and complemented our pork chop dinner nicely. Here, Finn and Rocky have a bonding moment:
http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/28071/2204705260088484686S500x500Q85.jpg

Overall, a beautiful day to mess about in boats.

** All photo credits to James McMullen

[2MeterTroll]

Fine Pics you rowboat thats a healthy japcrab there. so when are all of us going to get together and make fin his boat? Wish we lived closer my little nephew Julius is going to get his little SOF this year. and i think it would be fun to get he and Fin together.

its a tad cold this morning. gonna put up some window cover in the house this year on the inside after most of it blew off last year. the rocket stove keeps the house cozy but its looking like we will be getting a roommate soon that will need some extra heat.

winds been blowing a good clip for a couple days.
we will see what the weather brings on wed. so far it looks like another cold winter.
wish it would warm a little and put some snow in the mountains. this summer might be a tad exciting if it dont.

[capt jake]

I just heard that it snowed in Sacramento, 1st time since the 70's! Also in Modesto.

[Thorne]

All the hills in the Bay Area got a light dusting of snow this am, my coworkers are talking about it right now. Unusual for it to get this low - the hills around the Caldecott Tunnel got some and that ain't far above sea level, perhaps 600 ft.

[TimH]

Someone check and see if the global conveyor has stopped.

[TimH]

All the birds are searching for water. Its all frozen.

[BETTY-B]

I was watching birds trying to chew on ice this morning on my deck.

My new wood stove insert is really keeping up. I'm real happy about that. Since most of the wood I have was virtually free, it will be the first time where I cant wait to see the gas bill!

DAN

[2MeterTroll]

hey Dan you still Planning to head down here? we are looking forward to it. and do you have any food restrictions? the menu will probably run heavy in the chowder and stew category for a bit :)

[BETTY-B]

I am, Ernie. As a matter of fact, the guy who's boat I was planning on hitting first just stayed here for a few days while he had an engine job on a Cape George here in Seattle. and of course he wants me to come down right away, but I have so many things going at this moment, I cant figure out when that will be. Also, I'm leaving for Spain, Italy, France and Greece at the end of January. So if I cant figure it out by then, it wont be until late Feb before I make it down. My problem is I that I have three or four part time gigs that I am doing and I just dont know when I can get away from all of them at the same time. But yes. I am working on it.

No food restrictions here. I was convinced I developed an alergy to Dungeness crab since they made me deathly ill two times in a row, but I have eaten other crab recently with no problems. And the small amount of research I have done tells me that if I can eat one crab, i can eat them all. Still, I think I might want to refrain from that until I can try them again knowing I have my own bed to be ill in if I do still have the problem. By the way, that doesn't stop me from buying my license and filling my pots for everyone else.

I'll for sure let you know ahead of time Ernie.

DAN

[capt jake]

Brrrrrr 10 degrees here this AM. Only got to 32 yesterday (at home). Hoping all of the plumbing will be OK. This is very unusual to get this cold here. At leats the wind stopped. From what I have heard, the wind was scattered with the 'normal' location getting little to none.

[capt jake]

Balmy...yeah, balmy! :) :) I actually really like this. It reminds me of growing up in Colorado!

[RodSBT]

-7 in the Flathead and -20 over in Dillon.
But the sun is out!

[2MeterTroll]

Cut up a bunch of old flooring we had around. nice wood for the stove.
to bad its termite and ant eaten o would love ti for boat wood all old straight grain fir.
we have a pretty nasty draft coming under the door thinking i will make a for it if i can find the right small stuff. if you have ever made a baggy winkle this is a good use for the same method and it looks pretty good. My damn laeg is eating through the pain killers with this high pressure and damp cold.

[pcford]

Cut up a bunch of old flooring we had around. nice wood for the stove.
to bad its termite and ant eaten o would love ti for boat wood all old straight grain fir.
we have a pretty nasty draft coming under the door thinking i will make a for it if i can find the right small stuff. if you have ever made a baggy winkle this is a good use for the same method and it looks pretty good. My damn laeg is eating through the pain killers with this high pressure and damp cold.

Dude, does not sound good. Where are you?

[johnw]

Cut up a bunch of old flooring we had around. nice wood for the stove.
to bad its termite and ant eaten o would love ti for boat wood all old straight grain fir.
we have a pretty nasty draft coming under the door thinking i will make a for it if i can find the right small stuff. if you have ever made a baggy winkle this is a good use for the same method and it looks pretty good. My damn laeg is eating through the pain killers with this high pressure and damp cold.
You keep that leg warm, hear? Get a hot pad or something.

You know, back before the earth cooled people who smoked dope would put a towel at the bottom of the door to keep the smell from leaking out. I ah...saw that in a movie. Wouldn't that work on your door?

[TimH]

I had a huge dead standing hemlock in the yard. Sure burns good in the old Avalon.

23 out now. Going for a low of 24.

[2MeterTroll]

portland our little hill seems to have a micro climate going on.

[2MeterTroll]

yep we got the towels under the door and the house is heated up and i have a leg warmer. another week and more doctor stuff. i figure hes gonna want another set of pictures this time. Maybe he will order the damn MRI so we can actually see something.

the rocket bench is my friend its heated so i can just lay my leg out and keep it toasty. Well as long as i watch it. the bench does not get that hot but i sure dont want to get a burn.

[johnw]

What's a rocket bench?

[2MeterTroll]

Its the Stove I keep yammering about. Its the bulk of Erica and I's business so i don't talk about it here. umm there is a link to our web page on my profile if you want to take a look at it.

I am not sure how much i can say without being banned so i am gonna stop there.

[johnw]

I don't see a link to your website.

[2MeterTroll]

I don't see a link to your website.

www.ernieanderica.info (http://www.ernieanderica.info)

i think its under rocket stoves

i also put it as my Sig. i thought it was easy to see in the profile area.

[DGentry]

I do miss the water, having moved back here from Bellingham, but I don't regret the move. Still, it's negative 8.5 F here, this morning, and that's making boatbuilding very difficult!

Hope you're all enjoying the warmth up there!
Dave

[capt jake]

DGentry, now that is a switch. I grew up in Boulder and moved out here when I was 18. I miss the 4 seasons, clear skies, outdoor activities... I would move back in a heartbeat, if I could swing it (which won't happen).

Pipes froze in the bathroom a few minutes ago, dagnabbit.

[capt jake]

I lived on the coast most of my life, WA and AK, and now reside in the high alpine in northern Idaho. Four complete seasons are a real joy, and the big lakes without tides is another, and water warm enough to swim in is a third, and the low cost of living is a forth. OK, I'll stop now.
My family was originally from the Boise area. I love Idaho, it has a lot to offer. It is on the list of possibles for retirement for sure.

Colorado has grown way too much for my liking. I didn't even recognize most of it 10 years ago when I was last there.

[Yeadon]

Okay, it's cold now.

[Foster]

At sunrise the temp on Anderson Island in south Puget Sound was 16.3f and it has warmed to 18.3f with a beautifull sunny day. It is very quiet this morning.

[MaizieDerrick]

aloha,,hey I feel for you guys but I moved from canada 30 years ago and find it hard to come back when I hear all this stuff... here on the big island, hawaii you might find it hard to believe but our cottage up the mountain ,it can get down in the low fifties and you definitely need a wood stove.. of course if you want snow you just have to lok up to maunakea volcano..but on the kona side today its about 80 and a fine day for sailing.. but nothing beats the beauty of the pacific northwest as we have spent many years sailing there.. and we hope to return soon.. as soon as it gets warm that is::::derrick

[DGentry]

If the temps were in the fifties, I wouldn't need a wood stove - I'd need shorts! Sounds like heaven there, right now, Maizie.

Capt Jake, you probably wouldn't recognize Boulder these days, but it is still a bastion of free thinking, environmentalism and unbelievably over the top athleticism. Plus there are still 320 days of sunshine per year . . . .

In fact, it's sunny right now, and has warmed up to 2 degrees F, so I'm off for a little run!

Dave Gentry

[schlaboatnic]

Just went to check on the boat at the Port of Everett. Probably an inch or so if ice now in the marina. Kind of eerie when the boat doesn't rock when you step aboard. Even in a boathouse she's frozen in place.

[TimH]

interesting. I would have thought saltwater would have taken longer to freeze.

Supposed to get above freezing today. Doesnt appear to be here yet. At least nothing is melting.

[Bob Triggs]

The shallow edges of Port Townsend Bay near my place were skimmed with ice this morning too.

[TimH]

Cool! If the sound freezes i can walk to Port Townsend :)

[schlaboatnic]

We get enough fresh water in the marina from the Snohomish river that it typically freezes after a few days of below freezing temps. I am supposed to help a buddy run his boat to Seattle on Sat, but probably won't be able to get out.

Hey Tim, my folks live down on Useless Bay. When I was a kid, I remember seeing a few people skating on Deer Lagoon. One of our neighbors was a ex-Ice Capades skaters and would spend hours out there. Haven't been over there for a week or so, but I would imagine the lagoon is getting pretty iced up.

[TimH]

Its surely been cold enough.

[Lew Barrett]

It surely has. I wonder how many frozen hose bibs there are in Western Washington this at this very moment?

[WX]

Email from my daughter in Milwaukee this morning. It's -17 today with wind chill. My hands have never stung like that before. I would not recomend it!!!!!

[capt jake]

It surely has. I wonder how many frozen hose bibs there are in Western Washington this at this very moment?

My bathroom froze to the sink yesterday morning. Thawed out in the PM, no damage, thank goodness! I haven't tried the bibs......why? LOL

[Lew Barrett]

John,

You'll know soon enough how they held up! Standard winter drill around here: disconnect all hoses!

[BETTY-B]

Holy cow! I just remembered I left the back hose attached and on because I was blasting moss off the roof before the cold hit!

The hose is full of frozen water, but the faucet is pouring water just fine. Phew! Dodged that one.

DAN

[TimH]

I have a jug of water sitting on my bench out in the shop. So far it hasnt frozen. I think because the sun has been heating it up during the day.

[2MeterTroll]

Warmed up a little last night for an hour or so. looks like we will get snow this weekend.

sigh more pain killers and time on the bench doing paperwork. I need another project soon.

[hnsbrc]

It's -19 F here right now. Left blizzard conditions in Southern MN to spend a week at the cabin on Lake Kabetogama near International Falls. Perfectly calm now and could hear the lake ice cracking from inside all night long as it thickens and expands. A very eerie sound if you have never heard it, even more so if you happen to be standing on the ice as a crack approaches across the lake in the dark. A hollow echoing and sometimes booming sound. I have the temp inside almost up to 55 now. I'm planning to walk out to Sphunge Island this afternoon to try for a fresh walleye for dinner once I'm satisfied the ice is safe for that. This picture taken from the ice last winter of the dock and boat shed is my Christmas card this year. Merry Christmas!
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/hnsbrc/caandar2010/061-1.jpg

[TimH]

I remember the ice making groaning noises on quiet nights. Yes its very eerie.
I can also remember walking out one clear calm night on the jet black ice when it had frozen without snow on it yet. The stars were out in force and were perfectly reflected on the ice at my feet. It was just like standing in outer space. Something I will always remember.

[CharlieCobra]

Not quite as cold this AM but cold enough when you're outta gas...

[2MeterTroll]

Waiting on a delivery or what?

[capt jake]

Not quite as cold this AM but cold enough when you're outta gas...

You just need to tap into the bilge! Lots of hot air/gas there!

[CharlieCobra]

Yeah, just got it. Good thing they took a post dated check...

[capt jake]

Yup, just 'heard' my first broken pipe! Dagnabbitt~! In the garage, at least it is accessible. I am wondering about the others now as well (hose bibs).

[TimH]

Mine are still frozen.

[Lew Barrett]

Mine too. Not good.

[TimH]

31.9 out though. Gonna be a hot one.

[Ian Marchuk]

-33C this am at sunrise.

[Paul Girouard]

-33C this am at sunrise.



Why do people live there? Whats it like in summer, what do people do to make / earn a living? Is it a agricultural area? Wheat farming maybe??

Something must be "nice" about the area, -33 seems a bit much to put up with for three or four months of a year. So what is it that makes folks stay around there?

Can you convert C to F for me? Is it about 0 F? Roughly.

[Timo_N62.9_E27.7]

-33c is -27F

You can convert that (and most anything) by typing " -33C to F" in google

[Foster]

When I checked the boat yesterday morning I found a real mess. Apparently the power went off the night before and the heater did not turn on by itself when the power came back on, and yes salt water will freeze. The bronze capnut on the end of the through bolt holding the Bowman oil and coolant heat exchanger together had failed when the seawater inside froze and expanded. Everything below the heat exchanger was bathed in a lube oil/seawater/coolant soup that had to be blotted up with disposable diapers. I was wearing rubber gloves and was barely able to bear the cold. The seawater temp is around 50f so I was surprised that it got that cold in the engine compartment. I'll remove the heat exchanger and have it cleaned and pressure checked as soon as it warms up a bit because I'm just too damned old to enjoy the pleasures of arctic boat repair. I've since discovered that Pussers rum works well as a warming agent and in my case an exellent lubricant.

[Paul Girouard]

Just got back from Lake Erie after a little pond hockey! Been about 18 years since my last pond skate, time did NOT make me better, but I can still cross toe and skate backwards.

Glad I started the walking program about a month ago , still I'm out of shape , and those skates still hurt your feet. Nice ice , about 4" thick in the area we skated on. Very black , very slick , not that all ice isn't slick , but some is better for skating than others.


Maybe a shot of snow tonight the back to more normal weather they say.

Feels nice at 33F after the lows in the 20's the past week:D

[TimH]

Well I just took all the teak off of my boat and am bleaching it before sanding and varnish. You know why? Summer ...... S-U-M-M-E-R. Im getting ready for summer :)

[Ian Marchuk]

Paul, temeratures are all over the map. I have seen snow 12 months of the year over the last 20. I've seen lawns mowed at Christmas. Combining wheat in January. Mornings at -40F and been in a t shirt outside at lunch time at 45F.
Very extreme . If ya don't like the weather wait an hour or two. -42 C tonight.
R40 walls R72 ceiling and a big firewood pile. Somehow the rough edges get worn down when ya bail into the sheets ......some how ya can't be cranky when body warmth counts for survival... grin.
Summers are lovely warm and dry , except when they are cold and wet. Huge horizons, spectacular wildlife , good work opportunities for determined types.
Huge grain farms, mining and natural gas plays. No salt water tho....
Yer right..... wadda we doing here?????

[Paul Girouard]

Thanks Ian , I could have googled it but your written description was way better.

Ya salt water is nice, I've always lived around it, except for a couple 6 month or so , duty assignments with the USN. I like being close to the ocean or as in now the Sound, in fact other than the Lahars, earthquakes , constant rain , snow and short periods of cold weather , this place is about heaven on earth. :D Other than summer ( sometimes the first and last weeks of August ) when it to hot , yanno 90 F or above.

[Lew Barrett]

Seems to be warming....just a bit....here in Seattle now. Overcast sky but no rain today seems to be heralding a change in the patteern. Now we will find out exactly whose hose bibs have failed!

[Ian Marchuk]

-46C this am. When the ground fog burned off the sunshine was strong and the ambient temp was about -27C. The blue grey south facing siding was +6 at 2 pm. North side of the house in the shade the deck thermo never rose over -37C. Temp dropped like a rock at sundown and at 11pm is -42C. Probably be -46C or so in the morning.
But hey its a dry cold......

[TimH]

Thanks for keeping things relative.
The winter I left Chicago it was -27 with a -70 windchill. never agian.

[BETTY-B]

A friend called from Anacortes earlier this evening. They were having a tough time getting up a hill out of the boatyard there with a few inches of snow on the ground. Boats and snow pictures, James. Let's see 'em.

Never hit here. Seems too warm now.

DAN

[James McMullen]

My f-f-f-fingers are too c-cold to hold the c-c-c-c-camera, D-d-dan!

[TimH]

just a light dusting here.

[I, Rowboat]

No snow at all in Kingston or Edmonds. Dang it! Maybe later today?

[cathouse willy]

Snows coming this evening. Here's a link to Enviroment Canada's snowfall warning for metro Vancouver.
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?bc42

[TimH]

Looks like its just going to be rain here

Dec 14 Today (http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/USWA0099?dayNum=0)Cloudy with rain and snow showers. Temps nearly steady in the mid 30s. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precip 50%.
Dec 14 Tonight (http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/USWA0099?dayNum=0)Rain and snow this evening. The rain and snow will change to all rain overnight. Low 36F. Winds SE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of precip 80%.
Dec 15 Tomorrow (http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/USWA0099?dayNum=1)Periods of rain. High around 45F. Winds ESE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Rainfall near a half an inch.

[capt jake]

We had our snow last year. Only a skiff last night. Now it is 40 degrees, grey cloudy skies and rain....yup back to normal.....When is summer again? ;)

[TimH]

As soon as I get back in the water :)

[capt jake]

As soon as I get back in the water :)
I just walked to the shop and got in the water! Wait, I guess it was falling on me.... Still not summer! :) :)

[JimD]

Its a winter wonderland in Duncan.

[cathouse willy]

Snowing now. up to 20 cms or approx 8 in for us that continue to resist metrics. Freezing rain for this am. It's coming down heavy . It will all turn to rain and brown slush on wed. I stocked up on all the essentials, the wood stove is going and the joint is comfy. Let it snow.

[TimH]

I just walked to the shop and got in the water! Wait, I guess it was falling on me.... Still not summer! :) :)

I should be out in my shop sanding right now but I am bein lazy and sitting in front of the fire.

[cathouse willy]

I should have mentioned that I'm sharing the hot wood stove with my two favorite beagles. A little bit extra comfy. Let it snow

[f/v henrietta w]

Well, she's getting wound up down here on the Oregon coast. The ocean was flat calm this morning, now it's 18 feet at ten seconds and blowing about 45. Started raining buckets about an hour ago, so I'm sure it's headed straight for the rest of you. Good luck, at least a southerly here means it won't go back below freezing for a while. All the dock hoses finally thawed out today.

[MaizieDerrick]

aloha, being a canadian citizen and having experienced those moments you are all fond of i can appreciate all of your comments and reflect upon my early years of living in labrador , alberta ect ect. The winter is setting in down here in Hawaii and we are contemplating a trip on our 45 ft schooner ceceline back to the northwest this summer.. or maybe not .. I think I need to stay away from this site...anyway it can get cold here too when you re acclimatized like we are after 30 years.. we are getting our dickinson installed next month so there is some hope yet maybe . temp inkona 80 deg far. getting down to 79 deg far.later derrick

[TimH]

Balmy out now. I was just out getting some wood and was quite comfortable in a T-shirt.

[JimD]

Rain is now washing away the snow. Not fast enough but there's now more green grass showing than white.