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Chris.
11-19-2009, 01:59 AM
I get this newsletter from a favoured shop of mine, they have this new harley-based sport-bike available. I'm not usually partial to Harleys but this good enough to eat.

http://www.deus.com.au/gallery/files/gimgs/150_cafevtwin9.jpg

http://www.deus.com.au/gallery/files/gimgs/150_cafevtwin1.jpg

http://www.deus.com.au/gallery/files/gimgs/150_cafevtwin11.jpg

But the Kawa W650 cafe racer is really nice too. That part of their site is in Flash so I can't link to a picture but you can go here (http://www.deus.com.au/#/bikes/motorcycles/customs/deus-w650-custom/) to see it.

They have lots of other machinery to drool over as well, home page is Deus Ex Machina (http://www.deus.com.au/#/home/).

Paul Pless
11-19-2009, 02:24 AM
Thanks for that link, lots of good stuff there!

Here's a couple of HD based bikes that I'm rather fond of (that I've posted before) that might interest you.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg239/PaulPless/big_13.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg239/PaulPless/big_white01.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg239/PaulPless/big_red03.jpg

doorstop
11-19-2009, 02:34 AM
They look like real bikes, real GOOD bikes 'til you see that great big heavy air compressor stuck in the middle! ;)

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 02:45 AM
You want a big heavy air compressor for your bike? Just slice two cylinders off a Merlin engine.....

Then again, there is a rather nice Harley in this shot... no brakes though....

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff112/igatenby/iansecond/bike3.jpg

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 03:18 AM
Here's my current favorite , the 1100cc Carberry .Currently being built in Oz ..:):)

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/378153114.jpg

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 03:25 AM
But Peter, seriously, a compression ratio of 6.5:1 What were they thinking?

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 04:04 AM
But Peter, seriously, a compression ratio of 6.5:1 What were they thinking?
Torque ....actually buy a copy of the latest edition of Old Bike mag ,the Oz one .A very good test and seriously Carberry is a brilliant engineer ...have a look at his other projects.Any other compression ratio would have been simple but the requirement was for a loping easy engine ,max torque at 3100 rpm ,max power 3700 ,an easy ton .You can pull away from a standstill in the bottom 3 gears .:D

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 04:08 AM
max torque at 3100 rpm ,max power 3700


Just buy a diesel.

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 04:26 AM
It's a big market ...particularly boys who might enjoy a Harley that corners but that isn't a Harley .:D

Paul Fitzgerald
11-19-2009, 04:38 AM
Sad thing that Buell have packed it in.

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 04:40 AM
Indeed ! I liked them ,but a bit too sporting for my taste ,the Carberry is just right !

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 04:44 AM
It's a big market ...particularly boys who might enjoy a Harley that corners but that isn't a Harley .:D

Yeah, each to their own... but I see that compression ratio and I think... 1935

Tylerdurden
11-19-2009, 05:21 AM
If I had the coin.....
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c350/mudhutwarrior/TRACK_T800cdi_2009.jpg


http://www.dieselbike.net/commercialproduction/commercialproduction.htm

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 05:28 AM
Yep Mark ,I've seen that ...NATO spec and runs on biodiesel .Good preformance too .

High performance is not necessarily what everyone is after Ian ,the Carberry would go hard enough for most people over 30, torque is better than hp for me .

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 05:32 AM
Oops... edited to reflect that its 45hp now, not 50hp from 1000cc - not exactly environmentally efficient I would think.

Tylerdurden
11-19-2009, 05:38 AM
Yep Mark ,I've seen that ...NATO spec and runs on biodiesel .Good preformance too .



I have been told by the resident Harley guru here someone has produced a diesel version of their motor. Would like to see that but you can be broke down on the side of the road with the gas version so I don't really see any reason to be broke down with a diesel one.:D

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 05:55 AM
For some unknown reason... well thinking about it, I remember the reason.... I bought a Shovel and half a '47 Knuckle... but I can't be bothered elevating them on the projects list (I worked on the Yellowtail today). I'd say they are rather special Harleys... got them to 135mph on the way home... not that they were on their own wheels.

Paul Pless
11-19-2009, 06:07 AM
I have been told by the resident Harley guru here someone has produced a diesel version of their motor. Would like to see that but you can be broke down on the side of the road with the gas version so I don't really see any reason to be broke down with a diesel one.:DNow that the AMF era is firmly behind us, you don't see too many broke down Harleys.

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 06:11 AM
Well since ignition and water cooling are the major cause of roadside breakdown in cars ,a bike with neither seems like a good idea !

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 06:13 AM
You guys just make sure they look after MV Augusta.

I was looking at that old MV Super America (or whatever it is... drum braked, 750cc 4 - cylinder) that a mate has in his museum a couple of weeks back. I commented that parts of it looked a bit "back-yardish" eg the instrument mounting bracket is a bit of flat aluminium plate... and he said... see those bolts at the base of the cylinders.... undo them and the whole internals of the engine lift out with it..... very, very special

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 06:14 AM
Well since ignition and water cooling are the major cause of roadside breakdown in cars ,a bike with neither seems like a good idea !

My old '58 Beetle managed a few breakdowns that weren't ignition (or water cooling) related.... but hey, it did a lot of miles.

Paul Pless
11-19-2009, 06:15 AM
If I had the coin.....
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c350/mudhutwarrior/TRACK_T800cdi_2009.jpg


http://www.dieselbike.net/commercialproduction/commercialproduction.htm

As long as you're looking to run a bike on fuel oil instead of gasoline you might as well go all the way...

350HP, 450 ft pounds of torque at 54,000 RPM

http://www.motorcycle.com/images/content/Event/08_feb_leno_01.jpg

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 06:18 AM
Think how good it would have been with a diesel ! Same' preferably .

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 06:21 AM
Did you say 54,000 rpm? Got earplugs?

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 06:22 AM
If I had the coin.....
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c350/mudhutwarrior/TRACK_T800cdi_2009.jpg


http://www.dieselbike.net/commercialproduction/commercialproduction.htm

There was an interesting comment on diesel for bikes on the ADV Rider site , a few blokes riding through Africa and searching frantically for petrol ..very scarce ....but LOTS of diesel available , all the trucks and buses are diesel powered.They really wanted the bike above !:D

Iceboy
11-19-2009, 08:19 AM
I love the Triumph bobbers on that site!

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
11-19-2009, 09:06 AM
http://www.deus.com.au/gallery/bikes/w650-street-tracker-stp-/ <<< Neat, wants only a front mudguard.

LeeG
11-19-2009, 09:16 AM
But Peter, seriously, a compression ratio of 6.5:1 What were they thinking?

so you can hook it up to farm implements?

LeeG
11-19-2009, 09:25 AM
looks like fun people,,

http://www.deus.com.au/gallery/bikeswap3/bike-swap-3---4/

Chris.
11-19-2009, 04:57 PM
They are indeed fun people, and i challenge anyone with even a passing interest in bikes to emerge from their store without buying something - t-shirt, book, cup of coffee, dvd, or a bike. It's an intoxicating place, and if visiting Sydney, go there.
For the Australians here, the store was set up by Dare Jennings who also set up the Mambo clothing business. His founding partners included one Rod Hunwick, somewhat of a bike engineering legend. Known for the Hunwick Hallam (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/hunwick-hallam-13942.html) of the 90s. An ambitious but ill-fated Australian designed and manufactured bike.
Nobody likes the Kawa W650? Underrated I reckon - put down as a copy of the Triumph vertical twin when it was first released, but bevel-drive ohc an dno oil leaks .... I don't think so.

http://swipelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/deus-ex-machina-swing-bobber.jpg

Bobcat
11-19-2009, 05:01 PM
There was an interesting comment on diesel for bikes on the ADV Rider site , a few blokes riding through Africa and searching frantically for petrol ..very scarce ....but LOTS of diesel available , all the trucks and buses are diesel powered.They really wanted the bike above !:D

Fuel compatibility is the reason the US Marine Corps developed the diesel KLR motorcycle. It made sense to have everything on the battle field run on the same juice

The Bigfella
11-19-2009, 05:55 PM
Fuel compatibility is the reason the US Marine Corps developed the diesel KLR motorcycle. It made sense to have everything on the battle field run on the same juice

I was going to say pity about the Abrams eh? Then I discovered that its a multi-fuel engine that can use diesel as well as avgas.

As for the Kwacka 650.... I can still remember an early 1970's ride from Coffs Harbour to Wauchope and back on one. I'm having trouble with the correct designation... they were the W650 in the USA, but was it WS-1 here? Incidentally, I saw one a couple of weeks back at my friend's museum. Her brother owned the one I rode on.

LeeG
11-19-2009, 10:13 PM
http://swipelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/deus-ex-machina-swing-bobber.jpg

wow

Lew Barrett
11-19-2009, 10:19 PM
These threads alweays....I mean always....end up the same! Well this one might be different because....no Guzzis. But sooner or later an R90S and a 750GT must arrive on scene.

Peter: In respect to Enfields, you are incorrigible. They're gonna inter you with one, mark my words!
The only way that won't happen is if they bury you with two! :)

Lew Barrett
11-19-2009, 10:22 PM
The W650 maybe was under-rated (certainly not in this incarnation) but the truth is, nobody does Brit bikes like Brits, and in my (and everyone else's opinion) Kawasaki were just shy of the mark with it. Now this is a nice way to make it look just right!

I know Australians aren't British, obviously....but there is a genetic link......

Magneto only?

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 11:04 PM
Peter: In respect to Enfields, you are incorrigible. They're gonna inter you with one, mark my words!
The only way that won't happen is if they bury you with two! :)

Now Lew , the Carberry is most definitely NOT an Enfield , i like my Enfield but know it's limitations ....they are legion .

The Carberry is closer to a D series Vincent in feel ,performance and ride .:)
That'll do me !

PeterSibley
11-19-2009, 11:05 PM
Peter: In respect to Enfields, you are incorrigible. They're gonna inter you with one, mark my words!
The only way that won't happen is if they bury you with two! :)

Now Lew , the Carberry is most definitely NOT an Enfield , I like my Enfield but know it's limitations ....they are legion ! :rolleyes:

The Carberry is closer to a D series Vincent in feel ,performance and ride .:)
That'll do me !

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
11-20-2009, 01:01 AM
These threads alweays....I mean always....end up the same! Well this one might be different because....no Guzzis. But sooner or later an R90S and a 750GT must arrive on scene.

Peter: In respect to Enfields, you are incorrigible. They're gonna inter you with one, mark my words!
The only way that won't happen is if they bury you with two! :)

Ear ewe go
http://www.thekettleclub.org.uk/OLD%20SITE/SandL_STORY/trailered.jpg

http://www.thekettleclub.com/cimages/gallerytmp/54.jpg

Cuyahoga Chuck
11-20-2009, 01:30 AM
Well since ignition and water cooling are the major cause of roadside breakdown in cars ,a bike with neither seems like a good idea !

In motors of limited size, like 1500 cc or less, If you ain't got liquid cooling there is a HP limit that you will hit. Making HP is making heat. If you can't dump the excess heat the motor will fry. Having one cylinder in the heat shadow of another, ala any air-cooled vee-twin, is a problem in itself.
How come none of you blokes ever posts about the wonders of a Honda GB 500? It's a britbike with alll the engineering shortcomings wrung out of it.

PeterSibley
11-20-2009, 02:45 AM
This is one Honda I quite like , they made it for years and it always seems to have been a model that could have been further developed , perhaps a 750 ? The CX 500 .

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/378208085.jpg

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
11-20-2009, 02:50 AM
The leg-end-ary maggot - fine bike after they sorted the cam chain tensioner issues.....

Development? - certainly sir.
http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic-bikes-2/cx650tc-turbo.jpg

PeterSibley
11-20-2009, 03:04 AM
Turbo ??

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
11-20-2009, 03:08 AM
Yup - on a V twin, LJK Setright described it as a technological tour-de-force - and magnificently pointless.

PeterSibley
11-20-2009, 03:10 AM
A different transmission and final drive ratio ?

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
11-20-2009, 04:43 AM
Final drive ratio, electronics, ignition, fuel injection .... and a shed load of other bits...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CX_series

A less promising turbo candidate would be hard to imagine - genuine dancing bear territory.

PeterSibley
11-20-2009, 04:57 AM
Camels walking backward ?

Thanks for the link ,lots of unusual machines that didn't get to our shores .The higher final ratio would have been welcome ,I didn't like the factory's choice .

The Bigfella
11-20-2009, 05:38 AM
Dunno about the D Series, but even the C had 54 hp and a compression ratio of 7.3:1

6.5:1.... sounds about right for bolting a turbo to it

PeterSibley
11-20-2009, 06:00 AM
4 hp diff ? Come on , it's not an M series .

"Mr. Carberry has plans to develop the Carberry-Enfield with 1100cc & 1300cc versions planned as well as high performance versions of the 1000 cc, 1100cc and 1300cc models. Alloy barrels will also be offered as an option to the standard cast iron Royal Enfield barrels."

Paul Pless
11-20-2009, 06:26 AM
This is one Honda I quite like , they made it for years and it always seems to have been a model that could have been further developed , perhaps a 750 ? The CX 500 .

http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL282/9443996/17245530/378208085.jpg

Bad enough that Honda had killed off all the great British Twins, then with their free time they put the Italians squarely in their sights.

The Bigfella
11-20-2009, 06:30 AM
4 hp diff ? Come on , it's not an M series .

"Mr. Carberry has plans to develop the Carberry-Enfield with 1100cc & 1300cc versions planned as well as high performance versions of the 1000 cc, 1100cc and 1300cc models. Alloy barrels will also be offered as an option to the standard cast iron Royal Enfield barrels."

Its OK Peter, I'm just joshing with you. I still think 6.5:1 is silly though.

PeterSibley
11-20-2009, 06:37 AM
It works , it just different to modern stuff ,an entirely different feel ...........yeah ,I know .:D