Gartside's 15 ft Skiff Design #147

[SBrookman]

Anyone have any experience/comments of his design #147 (http://www.gartsideboats.com/catsail.php#147)?
http://www.gartsideboats.com/pgimages/147-profile.jpg
While I still have a list of projects to finish up on the Sharpie, I would like to start another boat by this summer.
I'm looking for a classic looking, not too difficult to build, trailerable boat that is easy to rig and single hand. Sailing primarily, rowing secondary, for use on the local reservoirs. Paul said that she could be built glued lapstrake , as I was not looking forward to strip planking.
(It doesn't have to fit on the car or sleep 6!)

[Thorne]

(It doesn't have to fit on the car or sleep 6!)

Killjoy! :D

[SBrookman]

I forgot to mention the schooner rig with a diesel auxiliary option. Maybe that would get the group excited. :)

[David G]

Steve,

I don't know that design. Have any been built? I've been on or seen a few Gartside boats, and have been very impressed. From looking at his plans, he seems to have a consistently good eye, with few - if any - oddities. A friend owns "Riff", #136, and it is absolutely a treat, and beautiful.

The one thing I'd say is that 15' is getting on the small side of my comfort zone when it comes to double-enders. While rowing nicely, and looking lovely, they tend to get overly tender is the shorter sizes. YMMV... some people also love sailing canoes (to take the type to an extreme).

[gert]

Why not consider Joel Whites Shearwater, if your into a 15' +/- double ender?
Glued lapstrake and probably easier to build; the plans would certainly be cheaper. And I would not describer her as "tender"; seaworthy, yes.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3408/3328644166_01a21e0f3d.jpg

[SBrookman]

The one thing I'd say is that 15' is getting on the small side of my comfort zone when it comes to double-enders. While rowing nicely, and looking lovely, they tend to get overly tender is the shorter sizes. YMMV... some people also love sailing canoes (to take the type to an extreme).

I'm looking for something "sporty"... to a degree. I've looked into some sailing canoes like M Storer's Beth (http://www.storerboatplans.com/Beth/beth.html). But after reading his review of "only" dumping it "x" amount of times, decided maybe not that sporty. (It was a bit slab sided anyway)


Why not consider Joel Whites Shearwater, if your into a 15' +/- double ender?
Glued lapstrake and probably easier to build; the plans wouls certainly be cheaper. And I would not describer her as "tender"; seaworthy, yes.


I'd consider JW's Shearwater and several of Oughtred's designs, but I'm hoping to get some info on Gartsides's #147. It doesn't have that "Faering" look that those do. (not that that's bad, don't want to stir that pot!) I know Paul is Canadian, but I like his designs anyway and wouldn't mind throwing a few US dollars that way. They're not worth all that much these days anyway.

[rbgarr]

Do you have the 450 hours to spare for building #147 before next summer, or however much less it might be in glued lapstrake?

Design #90 has an estimate of 200 hours build time and as a transom boat it would likely be just as good a sailer, i.e., 13' with a transom vs 15' dblendr, same sail area, 200 lbs vs ?? in glued lapstrake. You might use the simpler rig from #147, too.

[SMARTINSEN]

Paul Gartside, IMO, has just about the best eye of any contemporary designer.

I say that if you like it, then go for it, the time to build, within reasonable bounds, being a secondary consideration. The point being that we are in fact talking about a small boat, and not a 44' schooner with a diesel auxiliary, after all.

[SBrookman]

Do you have the 450 hours to spare for building #147 before next summer, or however much less it might be in glued lapstrake?

Design #90 has an estimate of 200 hours build time and as a transom boat it would likely be just as good a sailer, i.e., 13' with a transom vs 15' dblendr, same sail area, 200 lbs vs ?? in glued lapstrake. You might use the simpler rig from #147, too.

I'm not in a rush to get it out the door, just interested in getting a good project started by the summer. 450hrs sounds like a lot for what he says is "dead simple construction." Now that I have a sharpie to sail the build will go even slower. But having a boat to build and one to sail is not a bad thing.

I was just looking for opinions on the design. Double enders in that size may not be the most practical, but taking the better part of year to make another small boat isn't either. But it's fun. Sometimes.

[rbgarr]

Right. I read your post incorrectly as that you wanted to have the boat for next summer. Enjoy whatever you do!

[SBrookman]

Pretty much answering my own thread but thought I'd post some photos of the #147. This one was built by Steve Quinn (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=73545&id=535732228&l=7151666108)
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs030.snc1/3200_73041367228_535732228_1592766_3531835_n.jpg

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs030.snc1/3200_73041352228_535732228_1592764_1166759_n.jpg

Not only does Paul design some fine looking boats he is quick to respond to my emails and provide information such as the link above. It gives you confidence that he'd be there if (when) you got confused building one of his designs.

[gert]

I know Paul is Canadian, but I like his designs anyway

Yea you wanna be carefull there; some of those Canadians got pucks for brains. :rolleyes:


and wouldn't mind throwing a few US dollars that way. They're not worth all that much these days anyway.

Paul will be most gratefull; help keep the cabin warm this winter; you know with 10 ft of snow still on the ground in March...

;)

[David G]

She's sure a looker, eh?