Hartley 24

[Scott Dunsworth]

I am finishing up a penobscot 14 and looking to build a weekend boat that would sleep two adults and a child. I like the looks of the Hartley 24. I was wanting to know if anyone out there has built one? If so how hard was it? Or sailed one ? And how does it sail ? I would use the boat on some local lakes around 10,000 acres.

[John M]

Scott, Sorry to get off subject, but I'm thinking of building the Penobscot 17. I have the video and study plans. How long did it take you to build your 14? Any problem? How does it sail? Did you get good support from Arch Davis? Thanks. John M.

[Mike Field]

Scott, it might pay to ask this question on the Trailer-Sailor forum, too. Twenty-four feet is rather long to trail, but the TS21 is done so often enough (along with the smaller ones too, of course,) and I don't imagine the construction details are much different.

[Phil Young]

There are still a lot of Hartley 16 and 18's in Oz. The building of them is pretty straightforward. Performance is OK. Carrying capacity is good. His larger ply boats seem much less popular, but should be a reasonable boat.

[John B]

Colin Brookes apparently owns the Hartley plans. this is a contact for him if you are interested
colb@xtra.co.nz

[Mike Field]

By what swiftie did he manage that, JB?

[John B]

Don't think it was a swifty, Mike ,me old china. He bought them some time ago and used to dispense them from the UK. A couple of decades maybe. Smacksman and Ian W will know him I think. His son Peter is the man who bought Ladye Wilma ( see NZ classics, a covert mission ,in designs/plans) ex the W class and Asti V the 6 metre. They both, Father and son, live here again now.

ooops, we are in designs and plans. Down about 5 or 6.
I am now going to post a message which says that this message has been edited by John B

[This message has been edited by John B (edited 07-26-2001).]

[Scott Dunsworth]

Thanks for the info Mike,John,Phil. I will dig around some more before I decide.

[JoeT]

I am just about finished building a Hartley 16. I can't comment on how the plans compare seeing this is my first boat. The blueprints were detailed, I thought the instructions could of been more step by step. They were actually photocopied from a book and dealt with both the 16 and 24 at the same time. But seeing I have no boatbuilding or blueprint reading experience and there is a boat in my garage I'll vouch for the plans.

[JimJ]

Joe

Are there any more Hartleys in Canada or any clubs/associations?

There are some very active clubs down here and the interest in the Hartleys is increasing.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/bpwales/
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~hart1821/rhartley.html



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[JoeT]

Jim, Thanks for the Web sites. It's nice to see how the boats look under sail. I'm not aware of any Hartley clubs here in Canada.
Originally posted by JimJ:
Joe

Are there any more Hartleys in Canada or any clubs/associations?

There are some very active clubs down here and the interest in the Hartleys is increasing.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/bpwales/
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~hart1821/rhartley.html

[This message has been edited by JimJ (edited 07-30-2001).]

[Mike Field]

Does all this mean that there's no such thing as a TS24 after all? I admit I'd only ever heard the numbers up to 21, but I assumed, since Scott was aking about a 24 there must be one.

Perhaps you meant the TS21 after all, Scott? The one I've seen is a nice comfortable boat, almost as roomy as my 3-tonner. But I wouldn't swap, though....

[JimJ]

Mike

There is a Hartley for just about anyone desires.

http://www.hartley-boats.com/home.html

Click on sail boats and have a look

I was in Tasmania in March and had a conversation with the crew of a Canadian built Hartley. Looked about 40-45 footer. They had sailed it from Canada across the Pacific and were going to put it on the hard in Melbourne (Aust. not Florida!) while they went back to Canada for a while.

[Mike Field]

Bless ma soul, JimJ, you're dead right. Hellzapoppin, they've got anough boats there to float the Titanic. Well, I'm glad I got up this morning, now that I've found that out.

But, he says craftily, I notice that the 21-footer is the largest they consider to be trailerable. So maybe I was sort-of-right, after all?

[JimJ]

Mike

Have you seen the size of some of the boats owned by the members of the TSBB?

[Mike Field]

No, I must confess I haven't, Jim. How big do they go?

Are they really portable, though, or just transportable?

My own 20-footer is, I suppose, transportable. But she's certainly not trailerable in the accepted tow-it-behind-your-car-from-home-to-the-launching-ramp sense. I've seen houses moved on the back of special trucks, but you wouldn't call a house "trailerable."

Sorry, maybe that's laying it on a bit thick -- but just how big can you go in that sense?

[John B]

Jim J's site is Colin Brookes, who I mentioned earlier.

[Mike Field]

Yes, thanks JohnB. I guessed it might have been, but I hadn't bothered to check up. It looks like Brother Richard was quite a well-employed chap in his time, doesn't it?

[John B]

Yes he was.
A New Zealander I think.

[JimJ]

Mike

I quess anything that one can get on a trailer by any means, crane, skycrane, leviation and having a big enough towing rig to pull it could be classed as a "trailer sailer".

However, I think about 28 feet would be the limit for what would be called a "trailer sailer" using a car or four wheel drive as the towing vehicle.

[Scott Dunsworth]

Clark Craft shows drawnings plans for a 21 and a 24. The 21 would be easyer for me to build in my small shop. I thank everyone for the web sites and thoughts.

[Mike Field]

Fair enough, Jim. Thanks for that.

God luck with the project, Scott. And you will post plenty of photos, won't you?

[JimJ]

Scott
If you need any assistance or advice from afar, I am sure that with the combined experience in our association we can help.

And we are looking for members!!!

Jim