Anybody know a design ...

[Leon m]

That comes closest to this one (this one is FG),I want wood designs.

http://www.boats.com/published/images/sm_skimmer25.gif

Specifications:

LOA w/Bowsprit 29'8"
LOA wo/Bowsprit 25'5"
LWL 24'
Beam 8'2"
Draft, CB up 16"
Draft, CB down 3'10"
Displacement 3,000
Ballast 1,000
Mainsail 245 sq ft
Jib 100 sq ft
Designer: Reuel Parker

[ 03-09-2005, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: Leon m ]

[paladin]

maybe a Norwalk Island Sharpie.....

[Leon m]

Nice looking boat,I like the 31',not a big fan of the ketch rig though,kinda partial to gaffers.

[Dennis M]

Parker's 24 ft gaff sloop Hampton Flattie (Chesapeake Bay Flattie)! Check it out in the Sharpie Book somewhere between the Cedar Key's Sharpie and the 25 ft Maryland Fishing Sharpie.

[Steve Paskey]

That's a SKIMMER 25, right? From Creative Marine?
See www.creativemarine.com (http://www.creativemarine.com)

[Steve Paskey]

Here's another of Parker's designs, similar but only 21 feet on deck:

http://www.parker-marine.com/terr211.jpg

Plans for this boat, and the 24-foot Hampton Flattie, from:
www.parkermarine.com (http://www.parkermarine.com)

Incidentally, the SKIMMER 25 has rounded chines, similar to a Prresto sharpie. The other Parker designs mentioned above have hard chines. Don't know if that matters to you.

[ 03-09-2005, 09:50 PM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Jack Heinlen]

Bahama Mamma. 32 ft LOD, 2 ft draft with board up, multi-chine ply, concrete and boiler punchings in the bilge, small diesel or outboard in a well, ketch. Simple, wholesome small boat for the Bahamas that would go together about as cheaply and easily as such boats do. I've even got a set of unused plans I might be talked out of quite resonably.

I don't know about the search function since the latest transtition, but there've been quite a few discussions over the last three years.

[Steve Paskey]

Here's Tangierman, a 32-foot skipjack. A reprint booklet on her is available from www.dngoodchild.com (http://www.dngoodchild.com) . Some of his booklets have enough information to build a boat; other's don't. I don't know about this one.

http://www.dngoodchild.com/5308.jpg

[ 03-09-2005, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Steve Paskey]

Calico Jack: Similar to Tangierman, but 25 feet. Plans available from Wooden Boat.

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400074.JPG

[Steve Paskey]

Karl Stambaugh's Windward 28. Karl might be willing and able to design a gaff sloop rig for the hull, similar to the SKIMMER. More details at www.cmdboats.com (http://www.cmdboats.com)

http://www.cmdboats.com/images/windward_28.jpg

[Steve Paskey]

BAHAMA MAMA, the design that Jack mentioned, is here:

Bahama Mama (http://www.cmdboats.com/bahamamama.htm?cart_id=9536cc1d87fd1274174c4ce8e08 d3750)

[Bill Perkins]

If my ideal boat was being produced in glass , I'd buy the glass boat . That's what I did when I bought my Deleware Ducker .I also own a Ted Brewer designed Canoe Yawl in glass : a good boat.

[Steve Paskey]

Generally good advice, Bill, but price could be an issue in this case. The base price for a new SKIMMER 25 is $45,000. Add options, and you're talking $50 to $55K. Over the past two years or so, I've seen only one used SKIMMER, listed for sale on Creative Marine's web site. (I think it was somehere between $30K and $35K.)

[ 03-09-2005, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Billy Bones]

Paketi fits the bill almost perfectly. She has a much better provenance than Parkers, WADR, and would be a very easy build. I've been poised to build her for years. I think she deserves more attention than she gets.

Paketi plans provide a host of alternatives, from gaff to marconi, from sloop to cutter, from open boat to cabin boat to motorsailer-style cabin, from centerboard to keel to bilge keels.

http://www.rkstarr.com/boatimages/View.jpg

LOA - 23' 7"
LWL - 22' 7"
Beam - 8' 4"
Draft (cb up) - 1' 6"
(cb down) - 4' 7"
Displ. - 3,415 lbs.
Sail Area:
Gaff sloop - 338 sq. ft.
Gaff cutter - 329 sq. ft.
Bermudian cutter - 423 sq. ft.
Construction: Plywood planking over sawn frames

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400112.JPG

[Leon m]

All are very nice boats (getting warmer).I like Bahama Mama...Wish she was gaffed.Paketi is very nice too,But I really would like to stay over 25'.

[Leon m]

Calico Jack is nice.How hard would it be to convert something like that to a gaff rig?

[JimD]

Billy Bones, if I may use this thread to ask a question about Paketi. I'm always on the lookout for a plywood boat about this size with plenty of headroom. Any idea what the headroom is in the version with the motor sailer style cabin?

[PVanderwaart]

I believe that the Skimmer is a production version of Parker's Terrapin 25. That would be the closest.

Atkin's Shore Liner and New Sister are in the ball park, as are Bolger's Black Skimmer and, more practical but larger, Skillygallee.

Stambaugh has the Catbird 24 and Windward 24 at www.cmdboats.com. (http://www.cmdboats.com.)

[Dennis M]

From Parker's Website on the Terrapin:


We completed the first TERRAPIN 34 in July, 1989, built a custom TERRAPIN 25 prototype for a fiberglass production model (the SKIMMER 25) in 1991, and now offer the TERRAPIN 42 cruiser with standing headroom. We completed the first 42, named Oyster, in Spring of 1994. Designs for the 16 and 21 were completed in summer of 1993. The first T-34, (Tomfoolery), has proven in sail trials to be a fast, stiff and weatherly sailor. Her helm balances beautifully and she steers herself much of the time. The vessel was unexpectedly powerful, but easy to handle by two competent sailors. In 15 knots of wind she does 8 knots on a reach, beyond her hull speed, without putting her rail in the water! The bateau hull punches into medium head seas without slowing down or throwing spray. In short--the vessel is a DELIGHT to sail--and there is little in this world as beautiful as a gaff-rigged schooner! In sail trials, the TERRAPIN 25 also showed herself to be fast and weatherly, rather shocking some sailors on the Chesapeake Bay and Florida's Indian River--perhaps they had never been passed and outpointed by a small gaff-rigged sloop!

[John B]

Paketi is the first boat I thought of too. She's a great sailer. Actually at this years mahurangi regatta she starboard tacked on Iorangi and forced him about, who forced me about, who forced......

[Dennis M]

Correction to Steve's link to Parker Marine:

Parker Marine Enterprises (http://parker-marine.com/index.htm)

[Leon m]

Originally posted by PVanderwaart:
I believe that the Skimmer is a production version of Parker's Terrapin 25. That would be the closest.

.[/URL]Thank You PV !

http://www.parker-marine.com/ter251.jpg

[ 03-10-2005, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: Leon m ]

[Leon m]

I must say the 34' is a nice looking vessel as well,with lots of elbow room...Hmmmm,decisions.

http://www.parker-marine.com/tomfoolerybig.jpg

[Steve Paskey]

Billy Bones: That's the first time I've seen a photo of Paketi. Great-looking boat! The drawings in the WB book don't do her justice.

[Dave Gray]

I have to agree with Steve, as I did a double take of the picture of Paketi as posted by Billy. Where did you find it? This looks quite different from anything posted for David Payne at Duck Flat Wooden Boats.

[John B]

a photo Johnny R took at mahurangi.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid158/p914e7748574d96ca29982d6d5df1e972/f5156392.jpg

[John B]

In this one Jase took, Paketi( the small gaff rig to the right) has just put Iorangi ( the 52 ft er) about ( we are obscured behind the Buzzards bay 25 Jonquil)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid156/p9edd69382edaf2a3b4fe93fc34b71d1f/f54634ad.jpg
and here we are. from left Waione, Iorangi and Jonquil all put about by Pateki and she's about to do it to the the modern as well . LOL. Nice job Rob :D
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid156/p7cb0417f0fcacf21b1c3f5219ff1ad67/f54635b2.jpg

[ 03-11-2005, 05:36 AM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Wooden Boat Fittings]

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Paketi's certainly a great possibility. Three superstructure arrangements, three sailplan arrangements, and available as a centreboard or bilge-keeler.

Mike

[Edited to add info and satisfy any picky ones among us. smile.gif ]

[ 03-11-2005, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: Wooden Boat Fittings ]

[Billy Bones]

Here's another Paketi pic...

http://www.boats.rkstarr.com/images/paketi2.jpg

JimD,

According to 40WB the motorsailer has 4'-7" headroom.

[Leon m]

Great racing pics John B !

[Leon m]

Impressive design...I think I'll order some plans.

Terrapin 25
http://parker-marine.com/skimmerphotobig.jpg
To give credit where credit is due, these designs were initially inspired by Harry Sucher's wonderful drawings for a Terrapin schooner in his book Simplified Boatbuilding. Research on the type turned up information (and a sketch) in Howard Chapelle's The National Watercraft Collection, garnered in turn from Small Yachts: Their Design and Construction, Exemplified by the Ruling Types of Modern Practice by C.P. Kunhardt (1886). The type was a sharpie fishing smack used on the Chesapeake Bay and waters southward in the late nineteenth century. Chapelle described the Terrapins in detail in Paper 25: The Migrations of an American Boat Type (1961), including lines taken from a wreck. I redrew the lines for Chapter One of The Sharpie Book, and designed my own series of TERRAPINS which are not, properly speaking, sharpies; but rather arc-bottomed batteaux with sharp, Veed entries. They do look like the original type above the water line, and carry a similar rig, except for my smaller models, which are sloops of a rig from smaller Chesapeake craft of the same era (most notably the Chesapeake Flattie).

These renewed, modified versions came about in response to a client's request for an extreme shoal draft, low cost day-charter bareboat for the Indian River area of Florida's east coast.

Five models are available, from 16' to 42', for QUICK MOLDED construction. Two hull models are available for the original 34 footer; a radius-bottom sharpie, and a radius-bottom V-bow batteau. The sharpie would be cheaper and easier to build by a small margin, and a little faster off the wind than the batteau, which would be more weatherly, seaworthy and comfortable.

The boats are designed to be built almost entirely of generic plywood; either ACX, BCX, or BBOES (plyform), which is very inexpensive, and is made with water-resistant glue. But the builder must keep in mind that higher quality materials may yield a more durable finished product.

Construction is the simplest possible in the cold-molded genre: the bottoms are double-diagonal planked using ripped plywood planks; topsides and decks are formed single-layer using full sheets of plywood. The hulls are planked over longitudinals; there are no permanent frames, floors or cabin sole. Bulkheads are filleted and taped in place after the hull is right-side-up. Quick and clean!

The 34 footer has only 4'7" headroom, but has a large and comfortable interior none the less. The 42 footer has full standing headroom. The 16'er is a day-sailer; the 21- and 25-footers are comfortable, fast pocket cruisers. The three smaller TERRAPINS are trailerable. All are simple, safe and exciting to sail. Though they look straight out of American heritage, they are surprisingly stiff, weatherly and fast. They are pure simplicity.

The rig is traditional. Spars can be made rapidly and easily from Douglas fir stock available in many commercial lumber yards (30' 6x6's are used for the 34's masts). Masts may be laminated in halves for 3x6 stock (allowing some internal hollow introduced by Vee-cuts), or laminated hollow octagonal bird's mouth construction (best). The gaff rig is ultimate for this hull form, giving lots of drive down low, and presenting maximum sail area to the wind when running wing and wing. The hulls will easily surf off the wind beyond hull speed.

It is doubtful to us that more boat can be obtained for the money. Materials costs for the original Tomfoolery, including sails, outboard motor and simple interior furniture were about $20,000 in early 1989.

We completed the first TERRAPIN 34 in July, 1989, built a custom TERRAPIN 25 prototype for a fiberglass production model (the SKIMMER 25) in 1991, and now offer the TERRAPIN 42 cruiser with standing headroom. We completed the first 42, named Oyster, in Spring of 1994. Designs for the 16 and 21 were completed in summer of 1993. The first T-34, (Tomfoolery), has proven in sail trials to be a fast, stiff and weatherly sailor. Her helm balances beautifully and she steers herself much of the time. The vessel was unexpectedly powerful, but easy to handle by two competent sailors. In 15 knots of wind she does 8 knots on a reach, beyond her hull speed, without putting her rail in the water! The bateau hull punches into medium head seas without slowing down or throwing spray. In short--the vessel is a DELIGHT to sail--and there is little in this world as beautiful as a gaff-rigged schooner! In sail trials, the TERRAPIN 25 also showed herself to be fast and weatherly, rather shocking some sailors on the Chesapeake Bay and Florida's Indian River--perhaps they had never been passed and outpointed by a small gaff-rigged sloop!

[ 03-11-2005, 09:12 AM: Message edited by: Leon m ]