Daysailer search

[pippo]

I'm looking for a daysailer design, 14'-15', to be built in plywood.

I'm not sure I'm using the correct technical words, anyway it should be fully decked with a relatively small footwell/cockpit. Something similar to a stretched Bolger Bobcat, or close to Rabl's "Super Sunray".

Any suggestions?

[Carlo]

Hi pippo. I'm no computer person but if you go to http://www.atkinboatplans.com/ and click on Sailboats and Auxiliaries, look at P.M and Teach, possibly others. P.M. would be very much easier to build, or so I believe. Let us know what you decide.

[JimD]

Selway-Fisher Kingfisher 14

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid178/p122cf307b83e15d08305ab52528bc4ea/f32d151a.jpg

[Wiley Baggins]

Three good choices in the lengths mentioned include the Wayfarer, the Snipe, and the Windmill.

[Jack Heinlen]

If it were me, and I didn't want to class race, I'd consider one of these. Check out the fifteen through the twenty.

http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/default.htm

[D Gobby]

How about something like this,Al Mason design 15'. The plans should be available just do a search on the internet for Al Mason. This design is named Bart. Plywood on Frame,easy enough for a first timer like me to build.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4df04b3127cce9ad70830136000000025138AYtHLlyzbtd http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4ce37b3127cce9ad7082a6a5800000016108AYtHLlyzbtd http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4ce37b3127cce9ad7082deb6f00000016108AYtHLlyzbtd

[Farmer Diddley]

Not sure if it fits your bill exactly, but I plan on building a Biscayne Bay 14 in the not too distant future. WB Magazine had a how-to in Issues 96-98.

Hudson Valley Wooden Boat has a few pictures on their web site: http://www.hudsonvalleywoodenboat.com/

[Christopher Locke]

Pippo, you might want to look at the Green Island 15, designed by Headlandboats. A couple people on this forum are building one (or considering building one) and I am building the 18 foot version. http://www.headlandboats.com/

Chris

[pippo]

Thanks all. Biscane Bay and Bart get close but they look on the heavy side (10 mm plywood... :eek: ).

What do you think of this boat?

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/houdini/index.htm

[Dennis M]

Pippo, I am a huge fan of Houdini. I even own a set of plans. However, you might consider that it takes some ballast (up to 120kgs) and once you put that in, you will be hauling a much heavier boat across the flats than the 85kgs or so advertised at the sight. Have you considered his Rogue which weighs about the same?

[pippo]

Ouch! Very good point, Dennis. I had no idea that Houdini would have been ballasted... :confused:


Originally posted by Dennis M:
Pippo, I am a huge fan of Houdini. I even own a set of plans. However, you might consider that it takes some ballast (up to 120kgs) and once you put that in, you will be hauling a much heavier boat across the flats than the 85kgs or so advertised at the sight. Have you considered his Rogue which weighs about the same?

[Christopher Locke]

May also want to consider Arch Davis's Ace 14: http://www.by-the-sea.com/archdavisdesign/davis_ace14.html

Arch has a good reputation on this forum, a number of posters have built his Penobscot 14 and 17.

[katiedobe]

I owned a Bisquayne Bay 14 and sailed it regularly on the Columbia River. It was a wonderful boat. If you want a decked boat I say go for this one.

Right now I plan to build both of Arch Davis' designs and purchased the forms from him. Great guy and great support. His video is excellent. But this is an open boat in the style of a Whitehall, but from watching his video I would say that she handles and sails very well.

WB published building the... series on both of these boats. I think the Arch Davis boat will be easier to build based upon his great support you recieve. He actually prefers that you call him on the phone to discuss things while you are building his boat.

[katiedobe]

oh yeah one more thing. I also own a 14' snipe. This is a different kettle of fish compared to sailing the Bisquayne Bay. Much quicker and lighter and responsive. Never in the BB did I feel like I would capsize if my crew moved to the otherside too soon while tacking. With the snipe I have watched the water start to come in when he jumped over too soon. The snipe is very responsive to a person's shifting weight. Both are very easy to launch from a trailer. Never did get the BB to plane and the snipe jumps up and planes easily. Me and my old buddy that sails a 40' Cheoy Lee call the snipe the giggle boat. Because once we are on the water all we do is giggle.

[Christopher Locke]

Just to clarify what I think Katiedobie was saying about Arch Davis's boats - the Penobscot 14 is an open boat, the Ace 14 is a decked boat (in terms of having a foredeck, side decking and stern sheets). If you click on the link I posted above, you'll see her 1/2 way through construction. This is how Arch describes her:

The ACE 14 is an exciting daysailer with stowage compartments fore and aft which allow you to carry an ample load of camping gear for longer trips. She is designed for a crew of two or three, although she can be sailed singlehanded (she handles strong breezes beautifully under just a reefed mainsail).

Not to recommend for or against any of the above boats, just to clarify.

BTW, I've been working on and off on a compilation of a number of designs that I've looked (briefly) at. It is in a Word table format. If anyone would like a copy when done, let me know and I'll try to e-mail it to you. :cool:

Chris

[pippo]

Chris
I have to admit that I had previously discarded GI15, but now that I have had time to look at it more closely I must say that it's one of the most clever and interesting designs I've seen in a long time... Simple, no fuss, seaworthy... Thanks for the heads up.


Originally posted by Christopher Locke:
Pippo, you might want to look at the Green Island 15, designed by Headlandboats. A couple people on this forum are building one (or considering building one) and I am building the 18 foot version. http://www.headlandboats.com/

Chris

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[pippo]

Double post, sorry redface.gif

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[Tom Lathrop]

Pippo,

None of the boats mentioned fit your wish for full deck and a small footwell/cockpit. Just how small a cockpit do you really want?

B&B has a new Core Sound 15 that is a great daysailer which has side decks and a foredeck but still has a decently large cockpit. Your wish list seems to limit the choice to racers like the OK Dinghy.

What do you really want? Sounds like you are concerned about shipping water or capsizing.

[pippo]

Tom, I'm also concerned about having a place to sit on or in the boat... I've considered (and often purchased plans for) many, too many designs, but almost none has all I need (which is sometimes nebulous per se):

1) very simple and fast to build, which to me means plywood/epoxy
2) easy to rig (no fancy rigging, which means that I should be able build everything, including mast and spars, with readily available materials)
3) light enough to be beached and launched by one person
4) buoyant and safe enough to sail with family (wife and 2 children)
5) should have benches: I don't want to sit on floorboards, also in view of a knee surgery in the near future
6) good sailing capability, including decent windward ability due to the usual breeze regime in the summertime
7) should be shorter than 4.8 meters (16') for storage

I've located another such boat, namely Tarana (http://www.islesdesign.com/designs/Tarana%20Data%20Sheet.pdf) by Murray Isles, even if GI15 still seems somehow better in view of the requirements.

I've also considered several catamarans, but plywood beach cats, no matter who designs them, are very uncomfortable for long sails.

Not a trivial search, what do you think?


Originally posted by Tom Lathrop:
What do you really want? Sounds like you are concerned about shipping water or capsizing.

[DugT]

How about Stephenson's Triad...sorry, I don't have a link, but it's from the folks who design the Weekenders. Looks like it might meet your requirements, but might be a little small at 12'.

[Tom Lathrop]

Originally posted by pippo:


1) very simple and fast to build, which to me means plywood/epoxy
2) easy to rig (no fancy rigging, which means that I should be able build everything, including mast and spars, with readily available materials)
3) light enough to be beached and launched by one person
4) buoyant and safe enough to sail with family (wife and 2 children)
5) should have benches: I don't want to sit on floorboards, also in view of a knee surgery in the near future
6) good sailing capability, including decent windward ability due to the usual breeze regime in the summertime
7) should be shorter than 4.8 meters (16') for storage

Not a trivial search, what do you think?

Pippo, I think this boat meets every one of your requirements plus a couple you did not list.

http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cs15.htm

[pippo]

Tom, I know that one and I think you're right. The only objection I've had with the Core Sounds is that they are a tad more complicated to build than it seems at a first look, including the masts: proper aluminum tubing is very difficult to find around here.


Originally posted by Tom Lathrop:
Pippo, I think this boat meets every one of your requirements plus a couple you did not list.


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[pippo]

Oh my... redface.gif redface.gif

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[pippo]

double post again, sorry redface.gif

[Brad Lustig]

Originally posted by DugT:
How about Stephenson's Triad...sorry, I don't have a link, but it's from the folks who design the Weekenders. Looks like it might meet your requirements, but might be a little small at 12'.Several of the Stevenson's designs might fit what you want. Stevenson Projects site (http://www.stevproj.com)

Take a look at the Wing Dinghy, too.

[Philip Maynard]

Edwin Monk's plank on frame "Cerlew", 15'-8", the plans show cedar planks but I used plywood. The design is in his recently reprinted book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/048627313X/qid=1123290515/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-1566304-6801660?v=glance&n =507846

http://www.pmaynard.lunarpages.com/index_files/image029.gif

[Dennis M]

Philip, I have Monk's book, and I've always wondered about that boat. Could you be so kind as to share your thoughts on its performance, ease of handling and etc.? I would appreciate it very much.

[Philip Maynard]

I like it very much, I have given it a modern wooden/foil profile CB and kick-up rudder but those are the only changes that would affect it's performance. It handles easily but it's hard to give comparisions with other boats as I do not have much experience either as a sailor or with other boats. The original called for a metal CB. I had found previously that I had trouble sailing it solo - it didn't have enough weight on the rail to keep it upright in a wind, I also do not have any go fast stuff like a tiller extension so that I could get my weight in a better position while at the tiller. Recently I've carried 100# of sand when sailing solo and that makes all the difference, the interesting part of that is it's original metal board would have solved that problem for solo sailing, my wooden board is lighter and will give better performance with 2 or more aboard. 2 or 3 aboard is ideal, it's still light but not cramped. I've had 4 adults and 2 children aboard and it sits much lower in the water but does not slow down as much as I would expect but it just gets too crowded. The sails are as shown on the plans and I would add a 2nd reef point, mostly for solo sailing but there are times even with 2 aboard I would use the 2nd reef point. It goes fast enough that a dingy bailer in the lowest point of the hull does pull water out when the conditions are right. I can launch it myself but of course it's easier with 2. I do not know the empty weight. I used oak hull frames-stem, doug fir deck beams and spars, pressure treated skeg, 3/8" okume throughout, cedar seats and trunk sides, 1 layer of glass cloth on the outside, solid mahogony transom.

[Dennis M]

Aces, Philip. Thanks for the write up. I appreciate it very much.