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willmarsh3
10-15-2009, 02:08 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33330516/ns/us_news-life/

I just wonder how they are going to get him down safely.

Flying Orca
10-15-2009, 02:09 PM
A suitably small hole should do it.

TomF
10-15-2009, 02:17 PM
"Down" isn't nearly so tricky as "safely."

A small hole? A few strategically placed lines over the top, to evenly pull the thing towards the ground?

Yikes.

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 02:18 PM
Dear God! This thing is going to crash and several thousand of us are watching it fall. :( Please someone figure out how to save the boy...

- M

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 02:19 PM
6500' and falling :(

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 02:21 PM
That would be a relief. If not, the news coverage needs to go to black.

TomF
10-15-2009, 02:29 PM
down to an estimated 1000 feet now. Looks like it's moving damned quickly too.

good Lord!

bobbys
10-15-2009, 02:30 PM
Heart breaking

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Just a relief if it was a mistake and there wasn't really a little boy 6000' feet in the air... :(

Nicholas Scheuer
10-15-2009, 02:31 PM
I'd send Paladin up in an aircraft armed with the rifle of his choice to put a couple of rouinds through the balloon after first confirming that a bullet hole in that foil material won't rip open wider.

The final landing site can be determined by the rate of descent, and the balloon can be plunked right down into it with a volley fired at low altitude.

Moby Nick

willmarsh3
10-15-2009, 02:31 PM
If its helium it should be slowly leaking out no matter how well the balloon is constructed. Hopefully it leaks out just fast enough that he soft lands in some grassy field in a couple of hours and then can crawl out. I really hope the outcome is that well.

TimH
10-15-2009, 02:32 PM
A future astronaut!

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 02:34 PM
His name is Falcon :)

willmarsh3
10-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Or... remember the Genesis probe that was launched in 2001 and was supposed to parachute down three years later but crashed. It was intended to be recovered with a helicopter but the chutes failed to open making it impossible to catch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_(spacecraft)

Perhaps a helicopter could be outfitted this way but with a large net basket to scoop the balloon up.

This seems a bit risky though. But some of the alternatives ...?

TimH
10-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Perfect landing!!

TomF
10-15-2009, 02:39 PM
where's the child? Everybody milling about on the ground, but I haven't seen the child.

my sound card's messed up - are they saying anything?

Paul Pless
10-15-2009, 02:40 PM
they're saying they have no idea where the child is

TomF
10-15-2009, 02:41 PM
they're saying they have no idea where the child isOMG!

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 02:41 PM
"No child here."

Damn :(

TimH
10-15-2009, 02:44 PM
Maybe the kid was home sleeping the whole time.

switters
10-15-2009, 02:45 PM
he had to have floated right over where I am, and I find out about it here. Sadly it doesn't seem that the boy was the basket when it landed.

Tristan
10-15-2009, 02:48 PM
Balloon landed, kid not aboard

John of Phoenix
10-15-2009, 03:00 PM
I hope this is the hoax I think it is.

Mike V.
10-15-2009, 03:20 PM
The balloon is reported to be 20 feet long and 5 feet tall. It looks to be circular so a rough calculation of the volume is 1600 cubic feet. That volume of air weighs about 120 pounds. The same volume of helium weighs about 18 pounds which leaves about 100 pounds for the balloon itself and the payload. I'll bet the balloon weighs no more than 30 pounds which leaves about 70 pounds for payload. It seems at least in the realm of possibility that the balloon could get off the ground with a 65 pound child on board.

switters
10-15-2009, 03:23 PM
I hope this is the hoax I think it is.

Me too, or at least a 6 year old prank on his brother. Today is parent teacher conferences here in town, so all of the kids are out of school. Hopefully he is found in the neighborhood playing with friends.

TimH
10-15-2009, 03:25 PM
I didnt see a door open anywhere so I would guess he was never on the balloon.
So much for his NASA scholarship.

JimD
10-15-2009, 03:27 PM
His name is Falcon :)

I think its Bubble Boy from the Seinfeld episode.

TimH
10-15-2009, 03:33 PM
So who filled the balloon with helium before this flight? I doubt it just sits there all the time ready for lift off.

CK 17
10-15-2009, 03:35 PM
May be the boy accidently released the balloon, thinks he's in trouble and scrams. See's all the cops and then really scrams.

Todd Bradshaw
10-15-2009, 03:36 PM
That was pretty funny. You could tell by the way it flew that there wasn't any concentrated weight in it. With 70 lbs lift per 1,000 cubic feet at sea level, the gross lift capacity was questionable from the start - especially in Denver because of the altitude. Had there been a 40-50 pound kid aboard, the envelope would have been distorted massively. Saucers don't make good shapes for balloons. I did like how they tried to disable it by throwing dirt on it and beating it with shovels once it landed. All they needed to do is grab it and tear the mylar and it would have instantly become non-airworthy.

Phillip Allen
10-15-2009, 03:39 PM
That was pretty funny. You could tell by the way it flew that there wasn't any concentrated weight in it. With 70 lbs lift per 1,000 cubic feet at sea level, the gross lift capacity was questionable from the start - especially in Denver because of the altitude. Had there been a 40-50 pound kid aboard, the envelope would have been distorted massively. Saucers don't make good shapes for balloons. I did like how they tried to disable it by throwing dirt on it and beating it with shovels once it landed. All they needed to do is grab it and tear the mylar and it would have instantly become non-airworthy.

kinda makes me wonder who they vote for... :)

switters
10-15-2009, 03:43 PM
http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20091015/NEWS01/91015015&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Article in local paper, they have a bit more info than the other news I've seen, still no boy.

John of Phoenix
10-15-2009, 03:45 PM
No "basket"= no passenger. If it had enough lift to get a load off the ground and then lost it, this thing should have gone to several thousand feet.

Interesting trucks in the foreground. What are they?


http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/g-cvr-091015-ballooon-1245p.h2.jpg

Milo Christensen
10-15-2009, 03:55 PM
Lot's of discussion about a "box" or "basket", designed to hold batteries, that is missing.

But then, the father is a CNN reporter who took his entire family into the eye of hurricane Gustav in the family van.

Todd Bradshaw
10-15-2009, 04:10 PM
The shovel beating did remind me of an interesting historical parallel though. Some ballooninsts carry champagne aboard and it's become commonplace to drink a toast after landing when carrying paid passengers. It also allows them to advertise the rides as "Champagne Flights", which sounds more classy than plain old "Balloon Rides". In reality, the tradition is supposedly quite old and started in the early days of ballooning in France. Apparently, it wasn't unusual for peasants and farmers to freak out when these strange contraptions landed in their fields and attack them with pitchforks. The champagne was carried aboard to help appease them before they destroyed the balloon.

So if this kid actually had any class at all, he would have climbed out of a hatch upon landing and offered the deputy with the shovel a glass of bubbly before he started beating on the envelope......:)

John of Phoenix
10-15-2009, 04:16 PM
That shovel business... you just have to wonder, "What was that guy thinking?"

http://www.foxnews.com/images/578236/9_62_320shovel.jpg

TimH
10-15-2009, 04:22 PM
That shovel business... you just have to wonder, "What was that guy thinking?"

http://www.foxnews.com/images/578236/9_62_320shovel.jpg

Thats the mentality I expect from a cop.

Todd Bradshaw
10-15-2009, 04:23 PM
...gee, the kid would have survived if it hadn't been for the blunt force trauma of being hit in the head with a shovel....

Paul Pless
10-15-2009, 04:26 PM
Should the cost of this 'rescue effort' be subsidized by CNN?:D

switters
10-15-2009, 04:29 PM
Should the cost of this 'rescue effort' be subsidized by CNN?:D

not sure who is involved but 9 news has the helicopter that found the balloon while it was in the sky and now they are flying out to an area where a deputy reported something falling from the balloon.

I just heard the horse units from SAR are on the way.

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 04:31 PM
Certainly seems like they and MSNBC could kick in some portion of the spike in corporate revenue to the local agencies....

Milo Christensen
10-15-2009, 04:33 PM
I have a bad feeling about the outcome here. His two brothers were on the roof, one with a camera. I'm thinking that kid took off in that contraption, the box broke loose, he dropped. The question is, how far?

Oh, oh. Still picture of what might be the box falling off the contraption. Height might be plus 100 feet.

goodbasil
10-15-2009, 04:34 PM
The cop with the shovel probably had good reason to be doing what he was doing.
It is amazing how many side-line experts there are in the world.
If I were the parent of the child I would be very angry if someone were to start shooting to bring it down. Regradless of how much of a marksman they are.

goodbasil
10-15-2009, 04:37 PM
I agree with Milo.

Every news reporter has a different story.

Jim Bow
10-15-2009, 04:37 PM
Does anyone else sense a hoax? Mom and dad were "reality" TV participants twice. Dad calls himself a "psyenitist" and chases extraterrestrials.

Lots of celebrity making going on here.

Milo Christensen
10-15-2009, 04:43 PM
The only time my two were ever on the roof, their mother and I weren't home, they rode a sled off the roof into a pile of snow on the cement patio.

These kids are being raised by folks with a real sense of adventure and maybe not a real sense of the danger, for instance, of driving into the eye of a hurricane. Kids pick this stuff up.

goodbasil
10-15-2009, 04:43 PM
The guys with the shovels were just trying to get some weight on it. The balloon is not that easy to grasp or puncture.

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 04:45 PM
FWIW - watching the live footage of the balloon landing, I couldn't figure out what was going on, until I realized he was slinging sand/dirt on top of the balloon.

It still didn't make much sense until I saw another guy throw a rope across the top and realized they were trying to keep it from going back up. Seriously, it was a split second thing and tossing shovels full of sand on top of it to keep it from going back up seems like a pretty good response when there was no way of knowing what was underneath.

Tristan
10-15-2009, 04:47 PM
As a father I have a bad feeling about what might have happened to this little boy. Even if the baloon barely lifted him, a drop from 100 feet . . . ugh

John of Phoenix
10-15-2009, 04:50 PM
Well here's video of the landing showing a couple of guys grabbing lines on the balloon to tether it. Then some one starts shoveling dirt on the balloon. Who knows??

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8838748

willmarsh3
10-15-2009, 04:53 PM
I think even more corporate revenue is in the offing over the show 'Wife Swap'.

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/15/missing-balloon-boy-falcon-heene-was-in-wife-swap-family/

bobbys
10-15-2009, 04:59 PM
My wife recruits me on field trip day to help watch the First graders.

Thats the days she panics.

6 year old kids wander off and get into trouble at the blink of an eye..

Milo Christensen
10-15-2009, 05:01 PM
Satellite pix shows ponds and lakes downwind from launch site.

switters
10-15-2009, 05:06 PM
found him at the house. confirmed by local sheriff.

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 05:08 PM
found him at the house. confirmed by local sheriff.

I don't know whether to be grateful or furious...but at least he's OK.

- M

John of Phoenix
10-15-2009, 05:08 PM
found him at the house. confirmed by local sheriff.
Good deal.

Somebody's gonna be in hot water though.

switters
10-15-2009, 05:10 PM
hiding in cardboard box in garage attic.

switters
10-15-2009, 05:10 PM
link?

http://www.9news.com/video/player_live.aspx

Joe (SoCal)
10-15-2009, 05:10 PM
HOAX

Found alive

Milo Christensen
10-15-2009, 05:11 PM
I should know better than speculate on "breaking" news "alerts". Hiding in the garage attic.

Flying Orca
10-15-2009, 05:12 PM
Now that that's over with, can someone tell me why the hell you would watch something like this? Crap like this is part of why I don't have a TV.

John of Phoenix
10-15-2009, 05:13 PM
hiding in cardboard box in garage attic.
Who could blame him. :D

bobbys
10-15-2009, 05:15 PM
I should know better than speculate on "breaking" news "alerts". Hiding in the garage attic..

If my Dad worked for CNN i might hide in a box in the attic to!

switters
10-15-2009, 05:21 PM
Who could blame him. :D

Fort Collins finest searched the house twice, they have had control of the house since about 10:30 this morning. An yet a 6 year old remained hidden from them for almost 6 hours.

Fortunately for us they specialize in DUI arrests and have the SOP that anything that looks like it could be violent will be when they send in the SWAT team.

Love this goofy town.

Jim Bow
10-15-2009, 05:30 PM
He was hiding at home.

willmarsh3
10-15-2009, 05:36 PM
Well that was good news! I don't know how much you can really blame a 6 year old for this mischief.

goodbasil
10-15-2009, 05:56 PM
The kid should be grounded.

Milo Christensen
10-15-2009, 05:59 PM
The kid should be grounded.

ROTFLMAO. Excellent!

Concordia...41
10-15-2009, 06:02 PM
The kid should be grounded.

Definitely. And if the parents make a single penny from TMZ or any other news source, they should be skewered with long spikes of cheap Home Depot wood. Maybe they should be set adrift off the coast in a MacGregor or some such... ;)

On the other hand, as I watched the coverage and the balloon circled and spun, I dropped my head in my hands and said, "Just let him be OK ... Just let him be OK"

So I guess I got that wish. :)


- M

Tom Galyen
10-15-2009, 06:40 PM
To Switters

re: your post #79: The news reports state they checked the HOUSE twice. No one said anything about the garage. Why look for a missing boy in a box in the garage? Its real easy to play "Monday Morning Quarterback" and make fun of someone who doesn't have the comfort of looking back.

I think those parents are raising three boys with a great sense of adventure. It must be a fun household.

Nicholas Scheuer
10-15-2009, 07:49 PM
I was kinda hoping the kid was in the balloon, and they shot the balloon to let some helium out, only they shot too many holes in it and it started to come doewn too fast, so they had a guy dangling from a rope under a helicopter so the guy could put some duck tape over the holes and slow the rate of descent.

Ya'know, something more exciting than finding the kid in a box in the attic.

Moby Nick

brad9798
10-15-2009, 08:09 PM
I liked how the 'authorities' approached the baloon like it was filled with c-4 ... rather than helium and (potentially) a young boy!

:rolleyes:

Big Woody
10-15-2009, 08:13 PM
The balloon is reported to be 20 feet long and 5 feet tall. It looks to be circular so a rough calculation of the volume is 1600 cubic feet. That volume of air weighs about 120 pounds. The same volume of helium weighs about 18 pounds which leaves about 100 pounds for the balloon itself and the payload. I'll bet the balloon weighs no more than 30 pounds which leaves about 70 pounds for payload. It seems at least in the realm of possibility that the balloon could get off the ground with a 65 pound child on board.
The balloon was only five feet in the center. and much thinner at the edges where the circumference is greater. I computed it to have about 950 cubic feet or less when it was full. It would most likely not have lifted the boy off from Fort Collins 5000 feet above sea level.

Big Woody
10-15-2009, 08:16 PM
On another forum somebody commented:

It took them 6 HOURS to find their kid in the garage? And this family thinks they are going to find aliens????? :D

MiddleAgesMan
10-15-2009, 11:01 PM
The gig is up: "We did this for the show."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI6UONWCq7A&feature=player_embedded

WX
10-15-2009, 11:08 PM
And they just had to add this bit didn't they.

The family, which appeared twice on a reality television show about households that swap wives,

MiddleAgesMan
10-15-2009, 11:24 PM
From what I understand the "Wife Swap" shows weren't about wife-swapping. They simply sent moms-wives to different families for a couple weeks, for the drama and trauma.

Mark Van
10-15-2009, 11:42 PM
The funny thing was, when I saw bits of this on the news, the balloon down and the missing boy, the first thought I had was that the kid was probably hiding in the garage. I don't know why I thought garage insead of basement or closet or something. I actually told a few people that he was probably in the garage.

switters
10-16-2009, 08:56 AM
To Switters

re: your post #79: The news reports state they checked the HOUSE twice. No one said anything about the garage. Why look for a missing boy in a box in the garage? Its real easy to play "Monday Morning Quarterback" and make fun of someone who doesn't have the comfort of looking back.

I think those parents are raising three boys with a great sense of adventure. It must be a fun household.

The reality is Tom, what if the police were looking for an abducted child and had a lead that the child was at house x. They search house X and never find the abducted child in the garage on the property. I wasn't making fun of them per se, I was a bit dissapointed, as those are my tax dollars at work. Having watched the news last night and how the kid got into the garage attic, I probably wouldn't have looked up there either.

John of Phoenix
10-16-2009, 10:19 AM
Hmmm, the mom and dad were there when the balloon went up. Here's home video of the launch. Kinda fishy.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33342538#33342538

Flying Orca
10-16-2009, 10:38 AM
I'm going to ask again because this really baffles me. A lot of people here seem to have watched this on TV - why would you do that? In what way could it possibly enrich your life, and if it doesn't, why would you subject yourself to it?

I really really don't get it.

Figment
10-16-2009, 10:47 AM
"fishy"?? This is way beyond fishy, well into the realm of total BS.

Stormchasing and UFO hobbies aside,
They volunteered for a reality TV show. Nobody does that unless they SERIOUSLY crave attention.
Likewise, they immediately made themselves available for HOURS of TV appearances within a few hours of the event. Naturally, everyone has a nice fresh haircut.
Everyone was home, at 11am on a Thursday. Nobody was at school or at work.
Video camera was rolling for takeoff.

It may not have gone exactly to plan, but it was absolutely PLANNED.

Every nickel of money they've recieved from television should go to pay for the "rescue". If that doesn't cover the cost, take the house. They can move in with Octo-Mom.

willmarsh3
10-16-2009, 10:56 AM
Some internet polls (such as the one on msnbc.com) seem to suggest that a lot of people think it was deliberately planned by the parents. I'd like to think it wasn't. However, I have grown a bit skeptical about the boy climbing into the attic on his own. But to be fair I'd have to see the actual garage and attic to get a better idea. We'll find out for sure soon enough as the investigation runs its course.

Ted Hoppe
10-16-2009, 12:17 PM
As a father of a young boy, I understand how this happened. I know that the father was distraught after he yelling at his boy. Once the boy disappeared the weight of the believe reaction must have been tremendous.

Though not as extreme as that father, I like the idea of giving challenge, engineering and wonder in exploring our world to developing minds. Recently I built a large lifting kite that is capable of carrying 120 lbs. I attached a bosens chair to it... Now I am considering removing the chair, making it only camera ready.

John of Phoenix
10-16-2009, 12:21 PM
Orca, it's like OJ's slow speed car chase. We know it's irrelevant but we can't help but watch. What can I say? <blush>

Figment - Move in with Octo-Mom. :D

Ted, the chair... it sounds interesting but I'd advise that you fly no higher than you're afraid to fall.

Don Olney
10-16-2009, 01:02 PM
Bosun Chair Ted, meet Lawn Chair Larry.:D

Lawn Chair Larry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Walters)

JimD
10-16-2009, 01:09 PM
Now they're saying Balloon Boy might get his own reality tv show.

Todd Bradshaw
10-16-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm planning to "accidentally" launch Clifford out of the backyard this afternoon and see if we can get on CNN too!

http://webpages.charter.net/tbradshaw/balloon-002.jpg

I hope the harness doesn't slip. Otherwise, somebody is really going to be surprised when a 110 lb. goofy black dog falls on them from 1,000 feet up.....

Ted Hoppe
10-16-2009, 10:44 PM
In preliminary testing, the kit had the potential to get my family on television, a multimillion dollar contract or at least a shot on Oprah.

rbgarr
10-17-2009, 02:26 PM
I was on the road and didn't hear about this until later. Was the balloon really carried by +/-60 mph winds as reported here??

Rescuers from several counties followed the silver, saucer-like vessel as it raced across the Colorado (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Colorado) sky until it made a soft landing 90 miles and more than 90 minutes away in a field.

Jim Bow
10-17-2009, 02:40 PM
Thats the mentality I expect from a cop.

That is a firefighter.

boylesboats
10-18-2009, 04:00 AM
now the sheriff is workin' up some charges
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091018/ap_on_re_us/us_balloon_boy

Phillip Allen
10-18-2009, 06:56 AM
I looked at the article and wonder how a search warrent can be served without revealing what is being searched for?

boylesboats
10-18-2009, 07:34 AM
Deputies even carried out few boxes and the computer too....

Tom Montgomery
10-18-2009, 08:28 AM
I looked at the article and wonder how a search warrent can be served without revealing what is being searched for?

The police declined to tell the press what they were looking for. What makes you think this was an improper search? :confused:

David Tabor (sailordave)
10-18-2009, 08:34 AM
I'm going to ask again because this really baffles me. A lot of people here seem to have watched this on TV - why would you do that? In what way could it possibly enrich your life, and if it doesn't, why would you subject yourself to it?

I really really don't get it.

Probably the best quote of this thread! I don't get "reality" shows either. The very few times I've seen them it wasn't b/c I conciously made the choice to watch them; they were on in the background and I was (in the cafeteria at work, at the Redhead's house, flipping through the channels and got distracted...)

Redhead's son is a SURVIVOR addict. I just don't get why someone would want to waste an hour of their life on a show that has at best, 10 minutes of "content". And content of dubious value!

Now if ya wanna talk about the value of futzing around in the garage/shop/basement/boat.....:cool:;)

Concordia...41
10-18-2009, 08:38 AM
I looked at the article and wonder how a search warrent can be served without revealing what is being searched for?

It will say on the warrant what it is for ;)

I hope that whatever charges are filed include restitution to the law enforcement agencies for the cost of the attempted rescue and continued police presence keeping the reporters at bay.

Also, to keep some other "rocket scientist" from trying this, the family should be prevented from making any money off the stunt. Seems like California and a couple of other states have laws that prevent the Charles-Manson types from selling books or being paid for interviews.

That'll be .02 cents please ;)

Concordia...41
10-18-2009, 08:43 AM
I'm going to ask again because this really baffles me. A lot of people here seem to have watched this on TV - why would you do that? In what way could it possibly enrich your life, and if it doesn't, why would you subject yourself to it?

I really really don't get it.

Right, wrong or otherwise, I caught it live - courtesy of the WBF news flash - ;)

At the time I believed a little boy's life was at stake and pretty much exhausted any prayer requests I had coming feverently hoping he was ok.

Now I'm just pissed. :mad:

rbgarr
10-18-2009, 10:07 AM
I saw the kids falling asleep and getting sick on video interviews and thought it was horrifying. What's wrong with those people??

paladin
10-18-2009, 10:10 AM
When the news first hit the air, my mind wasn't exactly on the kid....I was mentally calculating the capacity of the balloon and basically estimating the weight of the kid and said no way. I have launched quite a few balloons with 5 pound payloads to over 90,000 feet.......and it would take more helium than that to get the balloon into an initial climb/lift-off.....so in my mind, I knew the kid wasn't there.....but I didn't know if it was by accident or design. I did listen to the kids initial comments and then believed that they were coached. I couldn't understand why someone involved in legitimate weather research would assemble a semi rigid balloon.
A round or ball shaped balloon, about 10 feet in diameter, will lift about 40 pounds.....very slowly, as it's barely displacing the air. The one flown is about 3 feet thick in the middle and 20 feet across, and appeared not very rigid so the inflation was low. The overall capacity would be less than a full 10-12 foot diameter "ball" shaped balloon. The kid would have made good ballast...if there was a good wind at take-off he probably would have banged around the house/yard.

goodbasil
10-18-2009, 10:32 AM
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/091018/world/us_accident_air_balloon_9

Now they are prepareing charges. Game Over.

Art Read
10-18-2009, 11:34 AM
"I'm going to ask again because this really baffles me. A lot of people here seem to have watched this on TV - why would you do that? In what way could it possibly enrich your life, and if it doesn't, why would you subject yourself to it?

I really really don't get it."

__________________________________________________ __

THIS from a long time "Bilge" affectionatto??? :D

(Y'all hear about the fans at that football game yesterday pointing up at the Goodyear Blimp and chanting, "Balloon Boy!! Balloon Boy!! Balloon Boy!!)

rbgarr
10-18-2009, 11:47 AM
What is it you want people to say? Perhaps a separate thread would start a conversation about the issue.

How did it end up with your DH and the CWB?


"I'm going to ask again because this really baffles me. A lot of people here seem to have watched this on TV - why would you do that? In what way could it possibly enrich your life, and if it doesn't, why would you subject yourself to it?

Art Read
10-18-2009, 12:02 PM
"What is it you want people to say?"

____________________________________________

I was quoting one of our Canadian friends from earlier in the thread... Sorry for the confusion!

Steve Paskey
10-18-2009, 01:36 PM
Game over. From the New York Times ... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/us/19balloon.html


“It has been determined that this is a hoax, that it was a publicity stunt,” the Larimer County Sheriff Jim Alderden said at a news conference in Fort Collins, Colo., one day after re-interviewing members of the now-famous Heene family about the case. “We have evidence to indicate it was a publicity stunt done with the hope of marketing themselves to a realty television show sometime in the future.”

Richard Heene and his wife Mayumi have not yet been arrested, but the sheriff said that among the charges being considered are three felonies: conspiracy between the husband and the wife to commit a crime, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and an attempt to influence a public servant., the last of which carries a prison term of six years. The charges could also include a misdemeanor, filing a false report.

The sheriff said his conclusions were based on separate interviews of the Heenes and their three children as well as searches of their computers, e-mail records and documents found in their home. He said the plot to launch a balloon and tell authorities that Falcon was aboard was planned two weeks ago, with the aim of obtaining a contract to do a reality TV show.

Michael s/v Sannyasin
10-18-2009, 05:34 PM
I'm going to ask again because this really baffles me. A lot of people here seem to have watched this on TV - why would you do that? In what way could it possibly enrich your life, and if it doesn't, why would you subject yourself to it?

I really really don't get it.

How do you know whether or not it will enrich your life unless you watch it? Seems to me you have a rather rigid form of self-censorship which is more austere than most.

Some say 'why', I say 'why not'.

I didn't happen to see this on the news, rather, I heard about it here on WBF News Central. But, I probably would have watched it. If for no other reason than I'd never seen the like before. In the same way, I'd watch a total eclipse of the Sun, or a tsunami sweep over a Pacific atoll, or O.J. Simpson driving his white SUV, or any random episode of Seinfeld... shall I continue?

If you only allow yourself to witness things you think will enrich your life in some way, you'll miss out on all those things that really would enrich your life, but which fall outside of your narrow criteria.

Flying Orca
10-18-2009, 05:55 PM
THIS from a long time "Bilge" affectionatto???

If you mean "aficionado", I would argue that the Bilge is a much better use of my time than watching some sob-story spectacle on television.


What is it you want people to say? Perhaps a separate thread would start a conversation about the issue.

How did it end up with your DH and the CWB?

Is this intended for me or Mr Read? If your first question is intended for me, I thought my questions were pretty clear... I'm wondering what people get out of watching something like this.


How do you know whether or not it will enrich your life unless you watch it? Seems to me you have a rather rigid form of self-censorship which is more austere than most.

Well, I could ask people if it enriches their lives. ;)

Truth be told, it's mostly advertising that keeps me away from television, but even if I had one I don't think I'd be drawn to this sort of hysterical little drama. It doesn't strike me as news - that's a thirty-second story - so much as some kind of weird voyeurism or something.


In the same way, I'd watch a total eclipse of the Sun, or a tsunami sweep over a Pacific atoll, or O.J. Simpson driving his white SUV, or any random episode of Seinfeld... shall I continue?

I would probably watch a total eclipse of the sun if we had another one here, I enjoyed watching the previous one... and a tsunami would probably be an awesome thing to behold. Never saw the Simpson thing and like the balloon thing, I don't quite get the point; as for Seinfeld, I saw an episode once at a friend's place and thought it was both boring and not very funny.


If you only allow yourself to witness things you think will enrich your life in some way, you'll miss out on all those things that really would enrich your life, but which fall outside of your narrow criteria.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm open to new experiences, and although I won't go out of my way to seek it out, there are certainly interesting and informative things on TV (from what I remember). I wouldn't say my criteria for interest are particularly narrow, and I don't think anyone who knows me would say that either - it's just this kind of media-driven spectacle event that I'm wondering about here; I don't get the attraction.

Phillip Allen
10-18-2009, 06:50 PM
every once-in-a-while, I take a break and do absolutly NOTHING towards enriching my life...

willmarsh3
10-18-2009, 08:34 PM
I saw it when I walked into the break room to get coffee. It was on Fox news. I'm normally pretty inured to news of celebrity drama and so forth. But the picture of what looked like a UFO at first seemed highly unusual. I watched for a few minutes trying to figure out what I was looking at. Then the idea of a little boy riding in it and in serious danger heightened my concern. Yep it got my attention.
Now to find out that they stooped very low to stage this whole drama as a publicity stunt is pretty disappointing to say the least. I hope at least that the various parties involved send him bills for their expenses they incurred responding to this.

Milo Christensen
10-18-2009, 08:46 PM
every once-in-a-while, I take a break and do absolutly NOTHING towards enriching my life...

You've been on this break since May, 2002.

ishmael
10-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Silly stuff. If it was propaganda, attention grabbing, I hope they prosecute the people involved, to the extent of recouping the cost to the taxpayer.

Anyone else remember when a guy, out of his fricken mind, took a lawn chair up to ten thousand feet with a bunch of party balloons filled with helium? I wanna say twenty years ago. He carried a BB gun, so he could shoot out balloons and come down. I seem to remember he was in a flight path for an airport. The skip on one of the planes coming or going exclaiming, "What the hell is that?"

Oh my, people do get weird ideas in their noggins.

Ian McColgin
10-19-2009, 08:31 AM
Why do people watch a train wreck? The balloon bit was, I hear, so covered that anyone watching daytime TV saw it. Less important and less visual than how this Forum brought the September 11 attack into my office in nearly real time, but the somewhat sick fascination we all feel is there.

If you dare look at the phenomenon, see that movie from the early fifties “Ace in the Hole.” This very dark Billy Wilder film has the alcoholic reporter Kirk Douglas exploiting the fate of a miner trapped by a cave-in.

As we learn more, it’s clear that these folk are somewhere west of nuts, but aluminum foil could help.

willmarsh3
10-19-2009, 09:20 AM
The lawnchair balloonist here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Walters

He broke some laws but not so egregiously as these folks apparently did.

John of Phoenix
10-19-2009, 09:58 AM
The most serious charges are felonies and carry a maximum sentence of six years in prison and a $500,000 fine. Alderden said they would be seeking restitution for the costs, though he didn't have an estimate.

If someone was trying to think of something dumber than the stunt itself, six years in the cooler would be it. Pay the costs and a bunch of public service is sensible, but jail is absurd.

rbgarr
10-19-2009, 12:14 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/16/the-best-balloon-boy-joke_n_323562.html?slidenumber=10#slide_image

BarnacleGrim
10-19-2009, 01:50 PM
Didn't anyone conducting the rescue operation ever consider the implausibility of an invisible child sitting in an invisible basket under a mylar balloon?

The parents are responsible for staging the hoax, but they aren't responsible for the entire cost of the operation.